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[META] Real Websites and your Metacortex investigation
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niobexrev
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 		[META] Real Websites and your Metacortex investigation
Yes, whenever people ask things like, "Is this site part of the game?" you should inform them whether it is or not. (i.e. the "webmin" page linked on USH).

However, don't just disregard it and say, "Oh, that's a real website, not part of the game. Just don't worry about it." There might be some clues in the related websites, real or not.

For example, www.cascadevortex.com has links to other places you can go visit that are like cascade vortex. These sites are real. You can go there. But now whenever someone says, "How what about this site?" and even when they clearly say, "I know this site is a real site, BUT it's similarities might help." Many people here don't listen and say, "It's a real site." as if they ignored that the person said that in the first place.

My suggestion is to open your mind with this investigation.

"Free your mind."
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:51 am
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nomos
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 		leaps of faith and the like
hehe, so maybe one of these paranormal sites will have a MySQL dolphin whispering secret wongmo brainwashing scripts into your left channel? Sorry, I couldn't resist....really, though, there's two sides to the coin: the sites may be used by the PMs to grab clues but that's such a stretch when those sites are totally independant to the game and can change or even go under at any time. I think maybe your leap of faith approach has a extreme longshot of coming up with anything substantial to move us forward, but hell somebody might as well do it. Personally, the in-game sites are more than enough to keep me schizophrenic. If you find anything though the payoff will be sweet and you can grind it in our faces that much harder Smile

PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:06 am
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Marl64
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 		Re: leaps of faith and the like
nomos wrote:
I think maybe your leap of faith approach has a extreme longshot of coming up with anything substantial to move us forward, but hell somebody might as well do it. Personally, the in-game sites are more than enough to keep me schizophrenic. If you find anything though the payoff will be sweet and you can grind it in our faces that much harder Smile


But surely, most of what has been determined has come with the aid of external sites, even if it is to obtain the correct literary quotes.

I imagine most people playing wouldn't have the diversity of knowledge (or extensive enough libraries) to be able to link Alice in Wonderland, Shakespear, Huxly etc. the way this game has.

If we use reference sites for literary information, who's to say a site on Bigfoot or Crop Circles couldn't hold a clue. The sites themselves may not be significant, but the information they contain could be.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:12 pm
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niobexrev
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 		Re: leaps of faith and the like
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hehe, so maybe one of these paranormal sites will have a MySQL dolphin whispering secret wongmo brainwashing scripts into your left channel? Sorry, I couldn't resist....really, though, there's two sides to the coin: the sites may be used by the PMs to grab clues but that's such a stretch when those sites are totally independant to the game and can change or even go under at any time. I think maybe your leap of faith approach has a extreme longshot of coming up with anything substantial to move us forward, but hell somebody might as well do it. Personally, the in-game sites are more than enough to keep me schizophrenic. If you find anything though the payoff will be sweet and you can grind it in our faces that much harder Smile


Ah, but this response is predictable is it not? My message was an argument against labeling things as "longshots". And you come in here and say that very thing: "I think maybe your leap of faith approach has a extreme longshot of coming up with anything substantial to move us forward." (wow that was a swift kick in the junk, if such a thing could hurt me as much as it does you fellas. Like a nice way of saying, "Your views are useless.")

And it tells me one thing: you must have had a hard time getting the symbolisms in The Matrix movie. Okay, listen. Those who knew something about computers, something about religion, philosophy, comic books, anime, mythology, etc. were able to pick out the symbolisms right away. That required them to know a little something outside of the movies. Then, again, maybe you're the type that just went to see the movie, and enjoyed it for a straight up action film, disregarding all the symbolisms.

No problem with that. However if you're gonna solve this "Metacortechs.com" puzzle, you're gonna have to look outside the game. (i.e. the Paintover picture which quotes Shakespear's Julius Caesar). Oh but that didn't "move us forward" did it, right? *cough*Cassius*cough*

About MySQL. I knew, and always knew, and will always know, that MySQL is not of this game. Shall I use sign language? Will that help you understand better and you'll be able have a happy day as you ride the short bus to school?

You can use your damn "LOL"s and laugh your head off at my theories, but maybe, just maybe if you read on you see that I might have been on to something. That is if you understand that I don't think that MySQL itself is an answer to any of the solutions in this damn game. Please, I'd like you to know that we are on the same page.

Anyway, I noticed the MySQL icon on the Underscore Hosting page. I also noticed that it was next the Windows and Linux icons. So I have already come to the conclusion that those were just out of game icons (real ones) to give Underscore the feeling of authenticity.

You got all that? Hey! Yeah, you. The one peeing in the pool. Did you get all that? Okay, moving on. Then I went to Wongmo and saw the various allusions to dolphins. Then I remembered that MySQL icon. Because it had a dolphin on it. And the reason I posted that message in the forum about the MySQL dolphin icon and the dolphins mentioned at wongmo was to say that maybe dolphins might be a clue. Dolphins. Again I say Dolphins, not MySQL. Just the goddamn dolphins.

Then someone posted this from the wongmo site:


Hmm. Is that a dolphin I see, nomos? Is it? Is that a little dolphin I see? Notice the similarities between the iron on picture and the MySQL dolphins. They both have basically just a blue outline to indicate the dolphin's profile. And despite MySQL's noninvolvement in this game, I visited MySQL's webpage and noticed their obsession with this mammal of the sea: "Discovery Cove's dolphin lagoon is home to over 36 dolphins." Again (not trying to be redundant here), I'm not saying that MySQL or its webpage is part of the solution. I'm saying that dolphins may be a clue. I don't know what yet, since I haven't dwelt on it, seeming as how everyone just shot this theory down like it was the OK Chorale.

But in case you still think that using non-ingame sites as possible clues, why don't you venture on over to Kathy Cunningham's Metadex bio page. Now all the Metadex users so far have labeled in game sites in the website category right? But what about our little katgirl? Click on Photography to see what she put as a website. Hmm. No USH logo. Let's go to the homepage. Oh, man, f*ck me sideways, it's an out-of-game website! Shocked Oh, wow!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:18 pm
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 		well said niobexrev...
Outside sites that are linked to by the ush sites, obviously have been viewed by the people that put the links there, and these external sites could likely have influenced their thoughts.

Please note, that external sites probably dont have secret directory links, and unauthorized exploring may lead to complaints against you. :)

Play nice when you're in the full outside world..

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 		Considering that I found katgirl's password from the real-world sites linked from her bio... And ONLY because of those sites, ie, there was no other place where the clues existed...

Yeah, I'd say real-world sites are pretty important.
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 		Re: leaps of faith and the like
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Ah, but this response is predictable is it not? My message was an argument against labeling things as "longshots". And you come in here and say that very thing: "I think maybe your leap of faith approach has a extreme longshot of coming up with anything substantial to move us forward." (wow that was a swift kick in the junk, if such a thing could hurt me as much as it does you fellas. Like a nice way of saying, "Your views are useless.")


Take it from me if I listened to everyone that told me that my theories were BS I would never play. Yes I make my overkill of trout but if I would have let peeps tell me how to play in CTW I would have never made the connections that I did and become a major player in the game.
What it boils down to is you have to stay true to yourself and your instincts.
Right brain thinkers and left brain thinkers do not arrive at the same conclusion the same way so give lee-way to someone before ya throw a big stinkin fish at em.
(Sunny heats up skillet and pulls a fish out of the freezer)
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 		Quien es mas macho?
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joebrent wrote:
Quien es mas macho?
Sunny es mas macho!

LELELELELLELELELELELELELLELELELE!!!!!!!!!!
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niobexrev wrote:

Ah, but this response is predictable is it not? My message was an argument against labeling things as "longshots". And you come in here and say that very thing: "I think maybe your leap of faith approach has a extreme longshot of coming up with anything substantial to move us forward." (wow that was a swift kick in the junk, if such a thing could hurt me as much as it does you fellas. Like a nice way of saying, "Your views are useless.")


Come on, get over it... the term 'longshot' is not used to say "your views are worthless" but to say "your views seem not very probable" and we've all seen that the game has proven not to follow the most probable path in the past weeks at times.

What I consider a longshot is reading about a dolphin and seeing a logo with a dolphin in it and saying it "could be a clue". A clue to what? A clue how? I agree dolphins could be a theme or metaphor in this game, but how can the mere mention of a dolphin possibly be a clue? Wongmo mentions lots of things on his site, but they are not all clues. In saying I think it to be a longshot I consider it unlikely, but not worthless.

The fact that people react to these so called "longshots" in the way they do/did is imho because there is a LOT of speculation on these boards sometimes based on very THIN stretches of information and sometimes this just confuses or clouds current discussions.

On the other hand, I think challenging or putting up some ideas for discussion, with the purpose of "thinking out of the box" or trying to brainstorm into finding connections between different stuff, hints or clues is they way these ARG-things are best tackled, so please, please continue to do so, as you have done so a LOT for the past two weeks, because that ensures there is ongoing discussion and gets people to think deeper about what they see or read... just don't expect everyone to immediately follow your line of thoughts, but welcome discussion and see the challenge of trying to convince people with arguments....
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Giskard wrote:
What I consider a longshot is reading about a dolphin and seeing a logo with a dolphin in it and saying it "could be a clue". A clue to what? A clue how? I agree dolphins could be a theme or metaphor in this game, but how can the mere mention of a dolphin possibly be a clue? Wongmo mentions lots of things on his site, but they are not all clues. In saying I think it to be a longshot I consider it unlikely, but not worthless.


I don't know how you can consider this a longshot if I wasn't even shooting. All I did was load the gun. "A clue how?" F*ck if I know. True Wongmo mentions a lot of things on his site. But he does show an obsession with dolphins. And history shows that there's usually a reason for this, whether conscious or subconscious. At first it may have seemed like oh, this is nothing, then they went and released an iron-on shirt design with a dolphin on it. Again, sweet God, I'm not saying this is a hint to anything specific. All I'm saying is that this may be a hint to anything. I just loaded the gun, and if anyone knew where to aim they could make the shot. "Hey, maybe that's a clue to how to get into thenekodas.com" or something of the like. I never said this was a clue to anything specific. So for you to ask "a clue to what?" is kind of redundant since, and I may be wrong, but I actually said something along the lines when I originaly talked about this idea that I didn't know what this points to except that it may be something important... may be.

It's a lot like my post on the use of the number 500 all over this ARG. I didn't know what it was a hint to, and to this day I don't think it has been solved. Same here: all I did was lock and load, then hand the gun to other people, and maybe taking a few misguided shots myself, even if we might have been firing blanks.

It seems some people want the puzzles to be blatant and all in game. Like a picture that has codes hidden in it. And the reason why this game may be at a standstill is because people are waiting for the next picture with hidden text, or they're waiting for texel to jump on IRC. There's much more, and it even extends to things external websites as we have seen already by finding the password by using the real website Kathy lists as a website.

I mean sure MySQL is a real company. But don't you think they could have used any company of the like? Yes. And I don't think it's a longshot so much as it might be just pure worthless coincidence that MySQL has certain similarities to some of the things in this game. Namely its interest in dolphins. Again, it's probably a coincidence, then again maybe not.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:03 pm
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 		Well, it so happens that a game like this pretty much REQUIRES a SQL server... and so would any real webhost. If you want to host a good website, you'll host it on Linux, and MySQL is by far the best SQL client for Linux. I'd be kind of surprised if they didn't use MySQL, to be honest.

My guess is it gave the PMs a little snicker, either when they noticed it in passing and considered it an inadvertant red herring, or now that we're talking about it.
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 		Niobe, keep posting any ol' darn crazy theory you like. I may disagree with you most of the time, but at least you got the stones to post 'em.

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