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[LOCKED] [ARG?] "The Revolution". Something smells fishy.
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Hikari
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tjray wrote:
Why didn't they get all pissy with Hy for posting something here that was in the Front Line forums like they did with Luke?
Seems to be a little two-faced, or at least a double standard.


Well, Hy was posting an announcement that was going to be posted publically soon anyway, wheras Luke posted a code that was part of the game or whatever.

Plus Revolution already got told off for threatening people here. Very Happy

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And why can't I find the above post in any of the other forums on dfwr? It seems it was only in the Front Line forum.
Why not make it public to the masses of recruits they have?
Things that make you go hmmm . . .


Revolution wrote:
I don't have a lot of time right now so I am going to post this thread here now and type up something a bit more general for the public forums.

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 		Actually, Hy AKA Lust. Has gotten the same treatment Luke did. She just didnt post about it here.

Edit: Not sure why Rev hasnt posted anything in the regular DFWR forums. You will have to ask him that.

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tjray wrote:
Why didn't they get all pissy with Hy for posting something here that was in the Front Line forums like they did with Luke?
Seems to be a little two-faced, or at least a double standard.


Sorry TjRay. You are calling people two faced and saying we have a double standard. When you know nothing of what has or hasnt happened to Hy, AKA Lust.

If there are questions it is better to ask then to just accuse someone.

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 		Lust may have been banned from your forums - and is probably better off for it - but she wasn't threatened as Luke was. Or at least I hope she wasn't, because if she was she'd certainly be justified in causing a big stink over it.

Until she says otherwise, I say she didn't quite get the same treatment, because (hopefully) you've learned your Great Big Spooky Mod Penis only works on one website. Rolling Eyes
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Hikari wrote:
Lust may have been banned from your forums - and is probably better off for it - but she wasn't threatened as Luke was. Or at least I hope she wasn't, because if she was she'd certainly be justified in causing a big stink over it.

Until she says otherwise, I say she didn't quite get the same treatment, because (hopefully) you've learned your Great Big Spooky Mod Penis only works on one website. Rolling Eyes


Not my Mod Penis. I never once threatened anyone about trying to enforce it on this forum.

Again, please do not accuse me of something. I have NEVER done.

Edit: And if you look at my previous posts. I said that it was probably an empty threat. Which it turned out to be. That was something Rev sent Luke. Not me.

Edit2: Ah nevermind. It isnt worth it.

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 		Wow...i just discovered i was banned. I have to say i think this is total BS because i thought, as was explained in the post by Rev, that the post was OOG as far as whatever the hell dwfr.org was. I personally didn't think it was a big problem, but apparently posting ANYTHING from the front line forum, even stuff about possible government involvement, is a no-no. I thought it was something UF players should be aware of. I guess i was wrong.

So....F*ck the revolution. if this is the sort of BS thing that wil get someone banned, i'm done with this....whatever it is.
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hyexistenz wrote:
Wow...i just discovered i was banned. I have to say i think this is total BS because i thought, as was explained in the post by Rev, that the post was OOG as far as whatever the hell dwfr.org was. I personally didn't think it was a big problem, but apparently posting ANYTHING from the front line forum, even stuff about possible government involvement, is a no-no. I thought it was something UF players should be aware of. I guess i was wrong.

So....F*ck the revolution. if this is the sort of BS thing that wil get someone banned, i'm done with this....whatever it is.


Yea, sad to see you go. But rules are rules. You will be missed over there.

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 		viva la draconian revolution.
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 		You know what? I'm tired of this thread and I'm tired of this game. If the mods and admins of The Revolution forums want to disrespect their players, they can do it on their forums, but not here on UF.

This thread is locked due to overwhelming B.S.

If anyone cares to disagree with this decision, please send me a private message and we'll discuss the options.
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 		The Revolution Revealed.
Well, it is finally come out. The Revolution is indeed not an ARG. But, there is alot of new info, and I know some of you were keeping tabs on it.

So, I was just letting you know there is new info out there.

http://www.dfwr.org

** Merged into existing thread. -- jamesi

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 		You mean the oh, so appropriate logo:

Couldn't have said it better, myself.
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 		Thanks so much for posting this Logic, even though the admins obviously didn't want this discussion here any longer. But it gives me the perfect opportunity to let everyone know what the revolution was really about. I anticipated something stupid, but I never imagined this.

Here is the post by Revolution from the front line forum on DFWR.

Revolution wrote:
I will go ahead and warn you that this is going to be a long post and you will probably not be happy with me by the end of it, so go ahead and buckle up. I will say for the sake of anyone who doesn't read the entire thing that the site is not being shut down. That being said...

Those of us behind the name Revolution met earlier this evening for about 3 hours to discuss several things regarding the direction of this site. Chief among them was to be revising the Second Step. Our discussion quickly led to a plethora of other topics on the site, where we saw it headed and our continuing plans for the future.

Although you all know that we have been purposefully cryptic in spreading the word about the Revolution, I am going to step decidedly out of character and state a few things up front:

1) This is not and never was an ARG. While the traffic generated from the interest in it potentially being an ARG was great - in fact it brought some of our most interesting and intelligent members - this simply is not and never was a game.

2) The legal concerns were real. One of us was contacted by federal law enforcement regarding the site and that did prompt us to consult with a law firm and draw up some very solid personal statements of intent, disclaimers, etc. This did not, however, in any way lead to the next statement...

3) We are withdrawing from the site. Sort of. A few of us enjoy the conversations so much that we have already embedded ourselves in the community in personas separate from the Revolution you love/hate. We decided it was best not to get too deep into the details of why we came to this decision, but we did want you all to know that it was decided upon in the absolute best interests of our common ideals and our decision was unanimous. Again, I want to stress that legal concerns did not prompt this. Above all things, we decided to do this for the best of the community. This leads to my next statement...

4) The site is going to remain active and actively supported. I specifically (I being the "voice" of Revolution) will continue to support the board from both a technical and administrative standpoint. I am appointing Logic as an administrator and I will allow him to establish a moderating staff of his liking. I am also appointing Emmaleigh1975 as a Super Moderator to assist him. These two members have shown exceptional dedication and loyalty to the community. They have been unafraid to question yet do so in a way that is not detrimental to the good of you all. I am absolutely optimistic that they will continue on in such a way.

All that being said, let me tell you about what we wanted the revolution to be, the plans we had for the site and even a little bit about the voice of Revolution.

I'll get straight to the one question everyone has been asking since Day One: What is the Revolution?

For me to appropriately explain what the Revolution is, I will first have to introduce myself, the voice.

My name is Drew. I am 23 years old and recently returned to university after several years working as an Accounting Supervisor for a large company. I am currently majoring in Political Science. Oh, and don't worry, this wasn't a thesis or project of any sort. Now that you know me, you'll have to stick with me through a bit of backstory...

Rewind to my high school years. Through a multitude of situations, I became utterly frustrated with the world in general. I was sick of the ignorance and apathy that prevailed everywhere and one day announced that I would take over the world and fix everything that could be fixed. After a few chuckles, I reiterated my intent and set a deadline for myself, my 53rd birthday (04/06/2035 - there it is). It continued on as sort of a half-joke, half-serious thing all through high school and as I went on to college and eventually my career. It was always an interesting way to start up a conversation and I quickly found that many people shared my general disdain with the way the world population in general seemed to be spiraling downward. Among these people I formed a close friendship with a few others. We all began to meet socially on a regular basis and oft discussed what should change and how we could do it.

Although our chats began as distanced - sometimes even silly - discussions about a grand revolution, they gradually became more mature, serious and realistic. It was at that point that we decided upon our revolution and set forth to spread it.

Our idea was simple. What is the root of every great injustice? One immediately defaults to the obvious answers: greed, hunger for power, etc. But truly, the powerful base upon which all great injustice is built is apathy. In the age of television and the internet, the thirst for educating oneself seems to have fallen by the wayside. We are entertained by things which possess no substance and we have become utterly addicted to instant gratification. Don't believe me? Just look at how angry - and I mean literal, viscious anger - people became when they weren't given answers about the Revolution after a few days. It was sad, but it was proof that we were correct. Our demand for immediate gratification, coupled with our apathy and general lack of knowledge have placed us - us being the general world population - in a position to be utterly controlled. Fully lacking the type of control over our lives that we were meant to have. In every part of the world there is a silent majority that is slowly giving away its basic human rights piece by piece in the name of tolerance, acceptance or political correctness. In truth, these things are all excuses for stripping away freedoms. While there is nothing wrong with promoting a culture in which all individuals can feel welcome, it should never have become a culture in which a person felt fearful to express themselves because of a perceived threat to their person. For far too long we have, through apathy, allowed a vocal minority to dictate to us how we are to live our lives. They force a common way of thinking on all peoples and stifle free speech and free thought in the name of tolerance.

And so with these principles in mind, we set forth. Things came together slowly at first. We organized attending meetings together in various locations. Some of our first targets were the Young Republicans/Democrats, the NAACP and NOW. None of us are bigots and we certainly never conducted ourselves poorly on any of these occasions. We went to great lengths preparing questions which could in no way be perceived as offensive or hateful. Our solitary goal was to force these people to ask themselves questions. We wanted them to stop being sheep and start being human beings. It was interesting to see the differing reactions from the many groups we visited. Keep in mind that we were always extremely polite and asked questions that challenged the members and their leaders to examine their positions and engage in meaningful discussion. We were fighting apathy from ground zero. Of all the groups, the Young Republicans were overall the most welcoming of our visits. They never asked us to stop coming, however two particularly feisty defenders of President Bush approached us after one meeting and threatened us several times. The Young Democrats also never asked us to stop coming; however many of their number seemed to be utterly uneducated and when cornered by a question immediately retreated to childish name-calling. Even their leadership was guilty of this. The NAACP refused to answer our first question and had their security (yes, they have hired security here) escort us from the building immediately and banned us from returning. After two NOW meetings in which our questions were outright ignored (they obviously had no response) the local chapter actually moved their meetings from a public, government building to private residences in order to prevent us from attending. Again, we always took a considerable amount of time to come up with questions that were challenging without being insulting, offensive or inflammatory. We took great lengths to present ourselves professional in both our language and our attire (suits for the gentlemen and business suits for the ladies). Despite some absolutely immature behavior from these adults (surprisingly the college groups were more mature than the NAACP/NOW) we were encouraged after every meeting by the number of people who came to us and thanked us for challenging them. Even if they weren't swayed by our questions, they were greatful for the intelligent conversation and for reminding them that sometimes people simply hide the truth. And so it was evident that these people were breaking free from their apathy and becoming energized by it. In cases where we were allowed to return, we would often see those same people asking questions and challenging the status quo. It was inspiring. After all this, we knew we needed to go further.

(Cont'd Below)

The idea was somewhat sudden and so was its implementation. Although we had long before sat down and talked about how we could realistically start a fast-spreading revolution that would break people free from their apathy, we had planned for a website much further down the road. We decided to go ahead and set up a simple forum to test the water for interest. What happened was utterly unexpected. Within days we were cresting 100 registered users and serving 500-1000 unique users a day. We were getting anywhere from 20,000-60,000 page requests per day. It was from there that we knew we couldn't stop. We quickly devised a plan to reveal the Revolution through a number of steps that would weed out the uncommitted and show us the true leaders among the community. Once these people had shown themselves, we intended to reveal the revolution to everyone and begin organizing events across the country. Holding up signs in front of TV cameras, attending meetings just as we did, letter-writing campaigns to major political parties and interest groups. We had lots planned. I cannot even begin to express how heartbroken I am that we can no longer lead the charge. It is my personal desire, more than anything else in life, to see this movement take shape in some form and not simply dissipate. Even if it is not through DFWR, I know that somewhere, someday someone will lead you.

I rambled a lot there, so I know you are probably still asking yourself: What the heck is the Revolution and what the heck is DFWR?

Simply put, the Revolution was to be a war against apathy. Imagine this: One day a politician stands before his/her country - or even the world - and looks directly into a television camera and says, "This is how it will be." But instead of us simply accepting that, we take the initiative to stand up as one and say, "No, that is not how it will be." Instead of blindly giving away our freedom to politicians, we actually take the time to get on the phone and call our elected officials to tell them how we feel about a particular issue. We may not always agree, but we will be holding them accountable for how they choose to impact our lives.

Now, what is DFWR? Well, it will probably be disappointingly insignificant to you all. It stands for Drew For World Ruler and goes back to that running joke. While we certainly are not in favor of some global dictatorship or monarchy, we did acknowledge that government is at times a necessary evil and the name was more representative of our thoughts than a literal cry to rally behind me as a World Ruler. What we truly want is to see an end to apathy and the ignorance of the general public so that the citizens of our great planet can take control of it back from the few and give it to the many.

So where do you go from here? Well, it is entirely up to you. An earlier post in which we said that you will be the faces of the revolution turned out to be eerily foreshadowing of what has unfolded. It will be up to each of you now to search within yourselves for your own answers. If you truly maintain a desire for revolution then you must break free of your apathy and take action now to make it happen. And perhaps in this we have achieved more than we had ever planned. Perhaps the fall of the first leaders of the revolution will be the spark which ignites a fire which will blaze brightly across the planet in the months to come. As seems to be a recurring theme with this site, only time will tell.

This post is already entirely too long, but I will end it with my most sincere expression of gratitude. For the most part, the community here has been one of the most uplifting things I have ever experienced. Without even knowing the true intent of the revolution, most of you here readily demonstrated that you were its perfect voice. You broke free of the status quo and asked questions and challenged each other to provide well-thought out responses and debate.

So, I will not say goodbye because Revolution will continue to be here. I, Drew (the one you've come to know as the voice), will be taking full control of the user known as Revolution. I fully intend to continue posting here.

However, I leave it to you to decide how you will reveal this information to the rest of the community. Logic and Emmaleigh have the ability to moderate, so you can choose to reveal all or to continue challenging members to engage in conversation in order to learn the truth.

I know I left some things out so I will probably be answering questions in this thread for awhile. The post is extremely long and I apologize for anything I forgot to say.

I am leaving one of my most closely held beliefs in life in each of your hands now, trusting that some of you will continue. But all that being said, for some reason I get the feeling that this is the start of something very big.


I could go on and argue why this is so unbelievably stupid... but why bother.
so let me just say...
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 		And now that it has definitely been determined to be something other than an ARG, discussion on this topic here can finally end.
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 		The Revolution....its baaaack
Did anyone else get an e-mail like this...

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Hi kinsey,

DFWR has a new meaning.
http://www.dfwr.org/forums/showthread.php?t=392

The revolution has started to take shape and it is in these early stages that we need your help. The front line members are the driving force behind the revolution. This is why we need you back and active on the forums. The Front Line could use your input!

There has been a lot of activity and decisions in the front line forums recently and we need input and ideas from many dedicated members in order for the revolution to grow further.

We thank you for your interest in DFWR and hope that you continue to use and enjoy the forums.

If you have any questions or comments you would like to put to the admin please pm Deadly or Logic at http://www.dfwr.org/forums/index.php

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 		Apparently, when I said two weeks ago that whatever this is "has definitely been determined to be something other than an ARG," that wasn't a clear enough message. This game/rebirth/marketing ploy/collection of insane ramblings/whatever has its own forum to discuss things at. I suggest that we stop bringing it up again and again here. Foily!

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