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Tien_Le
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Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 878 Location: corner of no and where
I'm told there are 43 numbers on each side of the moon. What if the groupings are meaningless and the fact that 43 is on each side is the answer?
How that relates to The After Dark Melodies is beyond me, but spec is spec.
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:52 am
moa-Night
Veteran
Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 70
Did anyone look at tablature as a possibility yet?
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:54 am
Gupfee
Site Admin
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 817 Location: Massachusetts
Number twiddling Not sure if this is useful, but here are some facts about the moon numbers. As others have mentioned, there are 43 digits on each side. If it is a kind of cypher, a closer look at the number distribution may yield some clues. The number is on the left, followed by the number of times it appears.
0 - 3 (i.e., 0 appears 3 times on both sides)
1 - 16
2 - 16
3 - 14
4 - 8
5 - 9
6 - 5
7 - 5
8 - 5
9 - 5
I also broke it down by left and right sides (going by the file names)
leftmoon
0 - 2
1 - 6
2 - 9
3 - 9
4 - 4
5 - 4
6 - 1
7 - 2
8 - 2
9 - 4
outsmartright
0 - 1
1 - 10
2 - 7
3 - 5
4 - 4
5 - 5
6 - 4
7 - 3
8 - 3
9 - 1
So what does it mean? Probably nothing, but I did the work so I'm sharing it.
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 12:45 pm
Caterpillar
Unfictologist
Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
"one is a start, right? so many things start and end with one
LOOK closer. its right in front of you, once removed"
Some talk about "ONES"
Is it possible that he means "ones removed"...lol a stab in the dark, I'm befuddled and looking in dark corners everywhere....and of course this gets us no nearer the solution.
~cem
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 1:11 pm
Caterpillar
Unfictologist
Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
New Clue From Noah Boddy:
When at first you cannot spy
Anything to catch your eye
Take each line and spread apart
Until you find a better start
One for down
One for cross
And one to switch towards the moon
Count the win
Forget the loss
The answers will come to you soon
~cem
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:22 pm
Caterpillar
Unfictologist
Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
I'm thinking that .....
One for down
One for cross
.....actually refers to one four (14). There are 4 instances of 14 in the numbers given. How it all relates, I don't know....just trying to get things rolling because I've done everything I can think of with those numbers.
(...yes, including holding them up to the mirror...lol)
~cem
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:29 pm
Caterpillar
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Joined: 25 Sep 2002 Posts: 1887 Location: cem's otherbody
I guess I was wrong to think it referenced the numbers, more likely the poem references the journal entry attached. My bad...sorry.
~cem
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 4:41 pm
Guest
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Sorry for the relentless posts...just trying to wrap my brain around this thing (and not having much luck).
The journal entry has a reference to a "librarian", and it's been spec'd that the #'s could refer to the Dewey Decimal System. I found some of the categories the numbers corresponded to....interesting, but the whole thing still seems a bit "large". I'm unsure whether or not we can get any more specific within the DDS numbers...or that we even want to.
Anyway for what it's worth here are the categories the first 3 digits of the numbers refer to:
391 35- Costume and Personal Appearance
512 019- Alegebra and Number Theory
472 87- Classical Latin Etymology & Phonology
452 323- Italian Etymology
832 14- German Drama
292 110- Classical Greek & Roman Religion
363 29- Other Social Problems & Services
343 25- Military, Tax, Trade, Industrial Law
577 - General Nature of Life
216 5- Good & Evil
162 14- Deduction
211 014- Concepts of God
142 65- Critical Philosophy
252 58- Text of Sermons
333 7- Land Economics
183 119- Sophistic & Socratic Philosophies
482 36- Classical Greek Etymology
There are some categories that tie in with our "theme"...but is it just coincidence? I am stumped.
~cem
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 7:07 pm
Tien_Le
Charter Member
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 878 Location: corner of no and where
my thought is that they just took numbers from the dewey system to create the puzzle itself and that the categories themselves aren't the answer, rather when we figure out the answer by following the instructions, *that* number in the dewey system will be the answer.
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:46 pm
Tien_Le
Charter Member
Joined: 22 Sep 2002 Posts: 878 Location: corner of no and where
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/noahboddy/message/837 has this nifty arrangement of numbers:
LEFT
3 9 1 3 5
5 1 2 0 1 9
4 7 2 8 7
4 5 2 3 2 3
8 3 2 1 4
2 9 2 1 1 0
3 6 3 2 9
3 4 3 2 5
RIGHT
5 7 7
2 1 6 5
1 6 2 1 4
2 1 1 0 1 4
1 4 2 6 5
2 5 2 5 8
3 3 3 7
1 8 3 1 1 9
4 8 2 3 6
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 11:49 pm
drizjr
Guest
possible partial solution Here's what I'm working on, (since there have been musical references)
the numbers as musical notation
?
C I A C E E G G
3 9 1 3 5 5 7 7
?
E A B _ A I B A F E
5 1 2 0 1 9 2 1 6 5
?
D G B H G A F B A D
4 7 2 8 7 1 6 2 1 4
D E B C B C B A A _ A D
4 5 2 3 2 3 2 1 1 0 1 4
?
H C B A D A D B F E
8 3 2 1 4 1 4 2 6 5
? ?
B I B A A _ B E B E H
2 9 2 1 1 0 2 5 2 5 8
?
C F C B I C C C G
3 6 3 2 9 3 3 3 7
? ?
C D C B E A H C A A I
3 4 3 2 5 1 8 3 1 1 9
?
D H B C F
4 8 2 3 6
Problems:
8=H
9=I (so many hints of EYE)
0
"count the win, forget the loss"
maybe "forget he loss" means leave out the 0?
maybe the 8 and 9 are flats and sharps or the clefs?
maybe "one for down, one for cross" is one quarter time?
maybe the right and left are hands on the keyboard?
does anyone have a piano handy?
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:08 am
drizjr
Guest
hey, i typed the above as two columns but it posted them together and the question marks were over the 8's and 9's.
sorry
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 12:11 am
frangraves
Boot
Joined: 06 Nov 2002 Posts: 56 Location: Texas
I am trying to do these numbers a bit differently. will ya'll let me know if you think this will work? Here is what I started with(i.e. my thinking on it:-)
TO WORK THIS PUZZLE HERE'S MY HINTS:
The first hint was the 1st post (which came before the poem).
It had a small "t" (small b is in reply to our post)
It said to start at one and end at one
It said to look back to yesterday (when we got the moon numbers)
The following caps were there also:
SEE, TRY, WORLD, SLOW DOWN, LOOK, EYES (but not EYES it meant "I's")
It sez he has an email address in the room & a phone.
Journal Heading: It is the first key to understanding (something)
Then we get the poem posted next (about an hr) which is hint # 2 on how to solve this & sez:
When at first you cannot spy
Anything to catch your eye
Take each line and spread apart
Until you find a better start
One for down
One for cross
And one to switch towards the moon
Count the win
Forget the loss
The answers will come to you soon
It tells us to spread the lines apart (spread the numbers apart)
Find a start (maybe the T? - that means alpha)
Then we have: One for down
One for across
One to switch towards the moon (turn around I think is what they are telling us here)
Then we have count the win
And forget the loss
And the answers will come to us.
I then did this:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
A B C D E F G H I J
K L M N O P Q R S T
U V W X Y Z
Then I placed the numbers in this grid pattern (ie here is the first number):
(I can't get my thingy to copy & paste right (you can tell I am new at this I will try to type it out - hope they will line up..
3 9 1 3 5
C I A C E
M S K M O
W U W Y
I did this with all the numbers... does this look like it might work with the poem clues?
Or could we be looking for an email or phone number or am I just nuts lol
_________________"We all are handicapped in one form or another"
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:04 am
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