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konamouse
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[SOLVED] "Automatic Writing" from Book One This one doesn't look familiar to us veterans. What do you guys think?
[Edit - When the 3rd installment of the Online version of Book 1 was available on June 6th, Dale revealed that the printed version of his dream writing was incorrect. I've left the printed version attached, but here is the correct online version].
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:58 pm
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MageSteff
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Re: [puzzle] "Automatic Writing" from Book One
konamouse wrote:
This one doesn't look familiar to us veterans. What do you guys think?
Maybe the ( ) and the +, - and numbers refer to the order the words need to be placed?
Edited to add the words grouped by the symbols under them
(1
think
mind
(2
of
on
(3
time
said
grin
had
(4
look
alive
(7
for
1)
make
say
now
a
2)
he
to
not
no
4)
fingers
5)
other
anyway
+1)
one
looks
quickly
your
+2)
on
(+1
with
choose
(+2
son
(+4
lad
only
careful
-1)
what
-2)
real
-3)
he
well
-4)
hand
(3-
it
yours
someone
(5-
six
(6-
scattered
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
one partial I can pull out of this (using the picture for inspiration)
a 1) hand -4) of (2 six (5- fingers 4)
If this gives anyone a thought on how to solve?
edited for missing word
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:08 am
Last edited by MageSteff on Sat May 13, 2006 8:59 pm; edited 1 time in total
godai
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Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 33
you lost some data So if we think of these as word pairs we have 6 types of word
a (#
b ( #-
c ( #+
d -#)
e +#)
f #)
Catagorized words
type # word
a 1 think
a 1 mind
a 2 on
a 2 of
a 3 had
a 3 time
a 3 said
a 3 grin
a 4 look
a 4 alive
b 3 it
b 3 someone
b 3 yours
b 4 hand
b 5 six
b 6 the
b 6 scattered
c 1 with
c 1 choose
c 2 son
c 3 you
c 4 only
c 4 lad
c 4 careful
d 1 what
d 2 real
d 2 to
d 3 well
d 3 he
e 1 one
e 1 looks
e 1 your
e 1 quickly
e 2 you
e 2 on
f 1 a
f 1 make
f 1 now
f 1 say
f 2 to
f 2 he
f 2 not
f 2 no
f 4 fingers
f 5 five
f 5 other
f 5 anyway
f 7 for
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There are an equal number of ( and ) so i think they may be
pairs however they don't match up perfectly unless i misstyped one of these.
I'm working on building a list of word pair and the values they make.
-- Godai
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:05 am
Last edited by godai on Sat May 13, 2006 3:54 am; edited 1 time in total
Rogi Ocnorb
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I'm going to bed, but have this:
Code:
with (1+ 1) make
choose (1+ 1) say
son (2+ 1) now
you (3+ 1) a
lad (4+ 2) he
only (4+ 2) to
careful (4+ 2) not
it (3- 2) no
yours (3- 5) other
someone (3- 5) five
hand (4- 5) anyway
six (5- 4) fingers
scattered (6- 7) for
the (6-
mind (1 +1) looks
on (2 +1) one
of (2 +1) quickly
think (1 +1) your
time (3 +2) on
said (3 +2) you
grin (3 -1) what
had (3 -2) real
look (4 -2) to
alive (4 -3) he
-3) well
I've grouped them by paired possibilities, but think I have an extra Plus or Minus sign, somewhere that if removed would put that word in the other group, balancing the pairs.
Putting them this way allows for mathematically logical combinations like:
Code:
six (5- 4) fingers
on (2 +1) one
hand (4-
"six fingers on one hand"
I know it could be fine and were dealing with more advanced formulae than just pairs, but thought we could start with the simpler track.
Certain words only have a few complimentary words from the opposite column. Like "the". It can really only go with a few of the words on the right, with the most likely candidate being, "other".
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:38 am
godai
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I've been going over that as well.
The one possiblility would be a double negative
(a - -b)
But that complicates things
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:56 am
SpinneNetz
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
I've grouped them by paired possibilities, but think I have an extra Plus or Minus sign, somewhere that if removed would put that word in the other group, balancing the pairs.
My list shows the same thing, so it looks like there are just more signed numbers than unsigned.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 4:03 am
godai
Boot
Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 33
Here are the values of the matched pairs.
-4 : it for
-4 : yours for
-4 : someone for
-3 : hand for
-2 : mind he
-2 : mind well
-2 : think he
-2 : think well
-2 : it other
-2 : it five
-2 : it anyway
-2 : yours other
-2 : yours five
-2 : yours anyway
-2 : someone other
-2 : someone five
-2 : someone anyway
-2 : six for
-1 : mind real
-1 : mind to
-1 : on he
-1 : on well
-1 : of he
-1 : of well
-1 : think real
-1 : think to
-1 : it fingers
-1 : yours fingers
-1 : someone fingers
-1 : hand other
-1 : hand five
-1 : hand anyway
-1 : scattered for
-1 : the for
0 : mind what
0 : on real
0 : on to
0 : of real
0 : of to
0 : think what
0 : time he
0 : time well
0 : said he
0 : said well
0 : grin he
0 : grin well
0 : had he
0 : had well
0 : hand fingers
0 : six other
0 : six five
0 : six anyway
1 : on what
1 : of what
1 : time real
1 : time to
1 : said real
1 : said to
1 : grin real
1 : grin to
1 : had real
1 : had to
1 : look he
1 : look well
1 : alive he
1 : alive well
1 : it he
1 : it to
1 : it not
1 : it no
1 : yours he
1 : yours to
1 : yours not
1 : yours no
1 : someone he
1 : someone to
1 : someone not
1 : someone no
1 : six fingers
1 : scattered other
1 : scattered five
1 : scattered anyway
1 : the other
1 : the five
1 : the anyway
2 : mind looks
2 : mind one
2 : mind quickly
2 : mind your
2 : think looks
2 : think one
2 : think quickly
2 : think your
2 : time what
2 : said what
2 : grin what
2 : had what
2 : look real
2 : look to
2 : alive real
2 : alive to
2 : with make
2 : with say
2 : with now
2 : with a
2 : choose make
2 : choose say
2 : choose now
2 : choose a
2 : it make
2 : it say
2 : it now
2 : it a
2 : yours make
2 : yours say
2 : yours now
2 : yours a
2 : someone make
2 : someone say
2 : someone now
2 : someone a
2 : hand he
2 : hand to
2 : hand not
2 : hand no
2 : scattered fingers
2 : the fingers
3 : mind on
3 : mind you
3 : on looks
3 : on one
3 : on quickly
3 : on your
3 : of looks
3 : of one
3 : of quickly
3 : of your
3 : think on
3 : think you
3 : look what
3 : alive what
3 : with he
3 : with to
3 : with not
3 : with no
3 : choose he
3 : choose to
3 : choose not
3 : choose no
3 : son make
3 : son say
3 : son now
3 : son a
3 : hand make
3 : hand say
3 : hand now
3 : hand a
3 : six he
3 : six to
3 : six not
3 : six no
4 : on on
4 : on you
4 : of on
4 : of you
4 : time looks
4 : time one
4 : time quickly
4 : time your
4 : said looks
4 : said one
4 : said quickly
4 : said your
4 : grin looks
4 : grin one
4 : grin quickly
4 : grin your
4 : had looks
4 : had one
4 : had quickly
4 : had your
4 : son he
4 : son to
4 : son not
4 : son no
4 : you make
4 : you say
4 : you now
4 : you a
4 : six make
4 : six say
4 : six now
4 : six a
4 : scattered he
4 : scattered to
4 : scattered not
4 : scattered no
4 : the he
4 : the to
4 : the not
4 : the no
5 : time on
5 : time you
5 : said on
5 : said you
5 : grin on
5 : grin you
5 : had on
5 : had you
5 : look looks
5 : look one
5 : look quickly
5 : look your
5 : alive looks
5 : alive one
5 : alive quickly
5 : alive your
5 : with fingers
5 : choose fingers
5 : you he
5 : you to
5 : you not
5 : you no
5 : lad make
5 : lad say
5 : lad now
5 : lad a
5 : only make
5 : only say
5 : only now
5 : only a
5 : careful make
5 : careful say
5 : careful now
5 : careful a
5 : scattered make
5 : scattered say
5 : scattered now
5 : scattered a
5 : the make
5 : the say
5 : the now
5 : the a
6 : look on
6 : look you
6 : alive on
6 : alive you
6 : with other
6 : with five
6 : with anyway
6 : choose other
6 : choose five
6 : choose anyway
6 : son fingers
6 : lad he
6 : lad to
6 : lad not
6 : lad no
6 : only he
6 : only to
6 : only not
6 : only no
6 : careful he
6 : careful to
6 : careful not
6 : careful no
7 : son other
7 : son five
7 : son anyway
7 : you fingers
8 : with for
8 : choose for
8 : you other
8 : you five
8 : you anyway
8 : lad fingers
8 : only fingers
8 : careful fingers
9 : son for
9 : lad other
9 : lad five
9 : lad anyway
9 : only other
9 : only five
9 : only anyway
9 : careful other
9 : careful five
9 : careful anyway
10 : you for
11 : lad for
11 : only for
11 : careful for
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:04 am
Shelina
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What about grouping pairs as they all give the same result?
Like (6-3), (2+1) and so on...
I have no time to try it myself so...
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:59 am
MageSteff
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Shelina wrote:
What about grouping pairs as they all give the same result?
Like (6-3), (2+1) and so on...
I have no time to try it myself so...
Or making sentences that when all the numbers are added/subtracted the sum is 0.
Well that doesn't account for the parenthesis.
edited to correct tag placement
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:14 pm
promethean
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Shelina wrote:
What about grouping pairs as they all give the same result?
Like (6-3), (2+1) and so on...
I have no time to try it myself so...
The brackets don't match up if you only pair neutrals (like (2 ) with positives and negatives ( +3), -1) ). There are too many positives and negatives on both sides.
However, if you count the number of words in each 'group':
5 in group -#)
7 in group (+#
12 in group (#
5+7=12
6 in group +#)
7 in group (#-
13 in group #).
6+7=13
I don't know how the words match up when you do this though.
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 2:59 pm
MageSteff
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I'm wondering if the spacing of the words on the lined paper makes a difference?
Some words are tilted - the left side of the word is lower than the right side of the word. Other words rest directly on the line, some are in the middle between the lines and others a resting just below the line.
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 8:58 pm
sixsidedsquare
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Just to throw a little more analysis into the mix, taking how many word per line there are we get:
1 3 1 3 2 1 2 2 1 4 2 0 4 1 3 1 3 2 2 2 3 1 1 1
Also, as there are 48 words I was trying earler to sort them into 8 lines with 3 pairs on each. Thought maybe each line could have piars that add up to their line numbers (i.e. (5-4) on line 1, (1+7) on line 8 ) but wasn't having too much luck.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 2:27 am
konamouse
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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Where's grumpyboy at?
Playing HedgeGames.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 12:15 pm
Dionysus
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MageSteff wrote:
I'm wondering if the spacing of the words on the lined paper makes a difference?
Some words are tilted - the left side of the word is lower than the right side of the word. Other words rest directly on the line, some are in the middle between the lines and others a resting just below the line.
I wouldnt think that matters Magesteff. The idea is that it was Automatic Writing while he was half asleep... that alone would account for not everythign being level and straight I would think.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:24 pm
konamouse
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Dionysus wrote:
I'm off to work and taking the puzzle with me
Didn't you get in trouble yesterday for that?
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