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Strings
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Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 334 Location: France
I dunno... If it's a place holder I would expect to find others somewhere on the site. The fact that this is a photo hidden underneath the photo that is all mysterious suggests to me that it's meant to be there.
Also, if it wasn't meant to be there, the puppetmasters probably would have taken it out because they know that some folk are decompiling flash.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:11 am
Obes
Unfettered
Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 329 Location: England
If you look at the TV Ad screen you can clearly see that there is the picture behind the one shown.... it's so obvious now.
It also explains the "Whiteout" of Alvar with Alvar written over it in the Bio page.
Alvar over Alvar...
Picture over Picture.
Question is, what do we do with this image now?
Obes.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:24 am
Lyria
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 29
Is there a way to see what the objects are named when the Flash is decompiled? Maybe there's a clue there?
Also - my guess is that this was meant to be found (whether via decompiling or a later clue, or both, I don't know) but as Aya and Obes pointed out, we have both Persephone pointing out the photo and Alvar-whiteout-Alvar (Alvar layered over Alvar, like the photos?) - two clues that do seem, in retrospect, to be indicating to look more closely at the picture...
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:49 am
julian
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Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 27 Location: here on earth, for a limited time only!
If the photo was meant to be found (and, on further thought, I agree that it probably was meant to be found - see below for why - sorry, I didn't realize I'd set off such a string with my speculation about it being a placeholder) then are there other images hidden beneath the other exec bios and photos? I'm not web design savvy, so I wouldn't have any clue as to how to dissect the site to find out.
As to why I think it's intentional, I think the clue to this hidden image (perhaps hidden images ) was given to us when we all noticed the Mental Health guy beneath/strung with Joop's picture. What was the point of it, really? Just to disturb, a red herring, or perhaps something else? Maybe the PMs are more subtle than we realize. If so, very cool.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:36 am
brooklahn
Greenhorn
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9 Location: Brooklyn
It's a placeholder. :^( Definitely an interesting lead, but I just went and did a full sweep of Getty Images, the site where the rest of the stock photos came from.
Jackpot.
Image below was found doing an image search on www.gettyimages.com for "headshot man glasses white shirt". I believe he was on page 3 of 5. Look familiar?
There's very little chance that this actual person will end up playing a role in-game. Looks like it was just a placeholder.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:49 am
julian
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Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 27 Location: here on earth, for a limited time only!
Bummer...oh well, on to the next clue.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:46 pm
chief
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Joined: 10 May 2006 Posts: 126
Hanso placeholder? Is the hidden pic of Hanso necessarily "just" a placeholder? In ARGs, isn't it common for PMs to use stock photos?
It seems for many reasons stated in posts above that we were meant to find this picture. So if it is "just" a placeholder, were we meant to find something meaningless?
The fact that the photo is stock means that the person in the picture won't be turning up on Lost. But it doesn't necessarily mean the picture is insignificant. What if we are now the only people who know what the "real" Hanso looks like? I could see "Alvar" turning up in public later in the game, looking nothing like this photo and leading us to be suspicious that he has been replaced.
Also, I just find it hard to believe that the web designers would be so careless to use a placeholder photo that could later be discovered...
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 2:50 pm
anodos
Greenhorn
Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 8
unlikely a placeholder I've created Flash files. Images in flash files are objects that are selectable and easily replaceable. In other words, you wouldn't "paste" another image on top of another. It would look funny and be a waste of resources. Ultimately, it would be more work to put an image on top of another one, instead of just replacing it with a new one.
That being said, I think it's unlikely that the man in the picture is significant, since it's a stock photo. Nonetheless, I think we were meant to find it.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:10 pm
Strings
Unfettered
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 334 Location: France
If Alvar is to play a central role in this ARG, then it seems strange that stock photography is used... It means there's only one usable photo of him. Or at least one usable and recognisable photo.
To be honest, I haven't got a clue. It's impossible to try and compare the two photos as the original is so grainy and unrevealing... Although they do share basic characteristics. Ie hairstyle, build etc. I don't know... we'll see.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:25 pm
brooklahn
Greenhorn
Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 9 Location: Brooklyn
Maybe you're right. I guess they don't need to have access to the actor to have this image of Alvar be meaningful.
After all, the spec is that Alvar is either dead or has been out of the public eye for years, so they wouldn't need several pics of him.
That said, they may not be restricted to this one picture. Stock photos of a single subject are often shot as part of a series, as the designers may like the look of a person, but not the expression on their face. Or they may like a person, but not the composition of a photo.
I thought I had seen some other stock photos of the gent that was hiding behind Hanso. Just went back to Getty and did a quick scan, but couldn't find anything.
If there are additional photos of this guy, perhaps one of them matches back to the grany pic of Hanso on the bio page? Or perhaps we'll see add'l photogs in the future?
If anybody has time to scan, please feel free. I'll do more exploration once I get home from work tonight.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:07 pm
Char
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Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 32
Re: Hanso placeholder?
chief wrote:
Is the hidden pic of Hanso necessarily "just" a placeholder? In ARGs, isn't it common for PMs to use stock photos?
Hugh McIntyre and pals are all stock, but Mittelwerk isn't. I highly doubt that Alvar Hanso, arguably the person the entire show revolves around, is going to be represented with a stock photo.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:33 pm
tmerch
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Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Fort Worth, TX
I don't have the tools necessary to do it myself, but could someone check this out on my behalf? It looks like the picture under the Mathematical Forecasting Initiative marked "Pollution Maps" is similarly masking another photo...the edges seem blurrier than other photos on the site. I'm curious to see whether this is true, or just my eyes playing tricks. Pretty please?
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 5:36 pm
Aya
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Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 76 Location: Adelaide, Australia, withering with Yutzpracachia.
Re: unlikely a placeholder
anodos wrote:
I've created Flash files. Images in flash files are objects that are selectable and easily replaceable. In other words, you wouldn't "paste" another image on top of another. It would look funny and be a waste of resources. Ultimately, it would be more work to put an image on top of another one, instead of just replacing it with a new one.
That being said, I think it's unlikely that the man in the picture is significant, since it's a stock photo. Nonetheless, I think we were meant to find it.
My thoughts exactly
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 7:50 pm
RPGgame
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seems like we are now being invited to decompile. I was against it but now im for it.
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:10 pm
Hyperion
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I dunno, I think that it might be "revealed" after a certain point in the game. You might just be skipping to the end of the book to read the last sentence if you decompile.
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Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:40 pm
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