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[SPEC] Missing Persons Theory
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niobexrev
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Jesus, here we go again. Fortunately, I've pretty much come a decision about who's behind this game, so I won't contribute much to this argument, except I'll give you 3 possibilities and you all can talk amongst yourselves.

1.) This game is an official Matrix ARG - still a very big possibility that even the Wachowskis themselves are fery much involved in this game. History shows that they do infact get involved with things like this. (Matrix online Comics, directing the Enter the Matrix themselves). There's still some inconsistancies with this idea. As the next possibility will show.

2.) The PMs are ameteur fans of the Matrix, and in fact this may have nothing to do with The Matrix - Many people feel that this is below the Wachowskis. Some think that the Wachowskis, being done with the movies, are busy on their next project. And this ARG is just one example of some of the fan spinoffs that will probably keep going after "Revolutions" moves to the video stores. This is still inconclusive. And most people surprisingly seem ready to jump on this bandwagon. But there's still one other possibility that no one has discussed yet.

3.) A combination of both - Example: the A.I. ARG was like this. Spielburg's company started the basic sites, then surrounding sites were fan sites. I never played that ARG, I just heard this from a friend of mine who did play it. This might be a possibility with The Metacortex ARG. There's a problem with this though. It seems that all the websites so far have been connected in some way to one another in this investigation. Just when you thought Wongmo didn't have a lot to do with this investigation, Phil has a set of photographs of 2 letters ripped up, and when pieced together you get some hatemail addressed to this religious dolphin lover. So basically, if this were a combination of both possibilities the WB officials and the fans involved must be having some close communications going on.

All 3 are pretty possible. I have evidence to believe it's one of these. But because I don't want the mods to delete this thread, I won't say. Granted I may sound like a hypocrite when I say this, but goddammit, just play the game.

Anyway back on subject:

mulder wrote:
sorry...
but.. definetely they were ex-married...


Why are you saying sorry. Isn't that what I said. But seriously dude, "definitely"? That's cool. I posted something about this when Beth's email message first came out, didn't get a lot of responses to it, so that's why I just said "probably" and left it alone.

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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz converts to:

matrix sucks


Are you making some kind of joke or is that really what his name means? Because if it's really what that means, then that would make what he said here a predictable response in dealing with this argument:

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
Your continual insistence upon connecting this game to the Matrix will hinder your investigation.


bWF, if it's true that your name means you hate "The Matrix", consider the possibility that your investigation is also being hindered. Would it be wrong of me to ask that if you hate the Matrix, what in god's name are you doing here?
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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz really is "matrix sucks" in base64.

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niobexrev wrote:


3.) A combination of both - Example: the A.I. ARG was like this. Spielburg's company started the basic sites, then surrounding sites were fan sites. I never played that ARG, I just heard this from a friend of mine who did play it. This might be a possibility with The Metacortex ARG.


There were not any "in-game" fan sites for the A.I game. Microsoft developed all the game sites.

bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
Your continual insistence upon connecting this game to the Matrix will hinder your investigation.


niobexrev wrote:
bWF, if it's true that your name means you hate "The Matrix", consider the possibility that your investigation is also being hindered. Would it be wrong of me to ask that if you hate the Matrix, what in god's name are you doing here?


I am here to play this game, and since it has nothing to do with the Matrix franchise, my dislike for the Matrix does not hinder my investigation at all.

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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
I am here to play this game, and since it has nothing to do with the Matrix franchise, my dislike for the Matrix does not hinder my investigation at all.


Is this based on belief or fact? If it's fact I'd like to see your proof. You could pm it to me so to guarantee your message won't be erased by any mods.

But it seems like your idea, though it is your opinion and you are entitled to it, is pretty far out there. Even if this didn't have anything to do with the Matrix, it's safe to say it's at least influenced by it. And for someone who hates the movie, I'm surprised you participate even based on that. Even though you think that this is soooo not like the Matrix (and despite the amount of people who think this is just a fan ARG, they still think it's loosely based on The Matrix), I fail to see where you get these ideas.

Again you're entitled to your own opinion... extreme though it may seem. Then again people who believe this is an official tie-in to The Matrix Revolutions may be matching your polarity. I'm not saying which is right.
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niobexrev wrote:
bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
I am here to play this game, and since it has nothing to do with the Matrix franchise, my dislike for the Matrix does not hinder my investigation at all.


Is this based on belief or fact? If it's fact I'd like to see your proof. You could pm it to me so to guarantee your message won't be erased by any mods.



What you are asking is a logical fallacy. I can't offer proof of something that does not exist. Why is this game not part of the Matrix world? Because there is no proof that it is.

If you have hard proof that this ARG takes place in the Matrix world, lay it on the table.

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Sigh. "[SPEC] Missing Persons Theory"

Geez, this thread has gone a bit off topic, hasn't it?

Am I going to have to put you two in separate corners?
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Seeing as how the theory in question presupposes that this Game takes place in the Matrix, then the question of whether or not this Game has anything to do with the Matrix is a completely valid discussion for this thread.

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bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz wrote:
What you are asking is a logical fallacy. I can't offer proof of something that does not exist. Why is this game not part of the Matrix world? Because there is no proof that it is.

If you have hard proof that this ARG takes place in the Matrix world, lay it on the table.


And you have proof that the proof does not exist? (Yeah, I know, about as annoyingly confusing as your response). Proof would exist to show that if WB has no involvement, then non-Matrix offiliated puppet masters are. So don't give me that "fallacy" crap. Someone made this ARG, and whoever they are is proof whether or not this is a Matrix ARG or not.

I don't have proof myself, just word of mouth as to something that happened with one of the people playing the game, and posted it in [unnamed] forum dealing with this ARG and they had their thread deleted because it was a spoiler. This thread revealed that a.) WB was involved or b.) WB was not involved. Whatever it was, I'm pretty sure this is a Matrix spinoff, whether ameteurs or WB offiliates. And I'm not going to say which it was, because I'm not a complete bitch who likes to spoil things for others. Again, just play the damn game. It's fun no matter the outcome.

But my warning bWF is that if you hate the Matrix so much, you may regret your involvement in this ARG if it turns out to be a Matrix spinoff (again whether it's WB or just fan PMs).

Also, since you hate the Matrix so much, and if, just if this is a Matrix based ARG, I can guarantee that it will influence your investigation. Especially with the case in which this thread addresses (shifts back to topic). If this seemingly reunited ex-husband and wife turn out to be escapees from the slavery of the virtual world, aka Matrix, I wonder if I'll be seeing your name in this forum much anymore, again if such a thing happened, since the idea would most certainly turn those matrixhaters off to a game with this much genius.

Really above all, the reason why I'm addressing your views is because you seem to put your "theory" forward as fact. While most of us (including me) say things like "My belief is that this game is...", you come in and say "This game IS". And when you say it in such a way, you must expect others to demand proof for such a claim. So again I ask: Is what you claim a "belief" or "fact"? Aaaaand, if it's "fact", where's your proof? You see I asked this question already before, but you gave me something short of avoiding the answer.
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Speculating about this ARG being official or not is fun and may be creative after lot of working on puzzle that appear. But now, it's been a while that puzzle haven't come and now that something is up again well you did start the conversation. The fact is that what does it matter is it's official or not? You have fun playing it right? Don't say no because you wouldn't have stay. So why don't we just stop arguing on this and not continu what is need to be done. Exemple, thos passeport and the paper we found in phillip metadex. As for the speculation on the missing people, well it really should get back in that way...

Again guys, stop this, that's not funny to see 2 person arguing like that about something that won't change a thing in the ARG.

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... wrote:
Speculating about this ARG being official or not is fun and may be creative after lot of working on puzzle that appear. But now, it's been a while that puzzle haven't come and now that something is up again well you did start the conversation. The fact is that what does it matter is it's official or not? You have fun playing it right? Don't say no because you wouldn't have stay. So why don't we just stop arguing on this and not continu what is need to be done. Exemple, thos passeport and the paper we found in phillip metadex. As for the speculation on the missing people, well it really should get back in that way...

Again guys, stop this, that's not funny to see 2 person arguing like that about something that won't change a thing in the ARG.


Okay, this looks like it was translated at dictionary.com. I can't remember, are you the one who can't speak English? That's okay, I think it's cool, I mean damn, I could never be involved in something like this if it was outside my language barrier. So hats off to you, you're doing great.

... wrote:
The fact is that what does it matter is it's official or not? You have fun playing it right?


No, it's not fact. It's speculation. It's just your opinion. To other people it may matter. I'll still keep playing.

My problem is with the preachy attitude and displaying opinions as not opinions, but as facts. i.e. "This game DOES NOT have anything to do with the Matrix." Such claims come off as being rahter arogant if anything without proof. If you say something as fact, you better damn well have something to back it up.
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niobexrev....are you talking about the "incident" that's referred to in the link that I posted earlier in the thread? It definitely sounds like you are...why all the mystery? I think we should just get it out onto the table (for all who want to know, that is...) and stop having these pointless arguments. I told myself that I'd stop getting involved in this, but...yeah. By being so mysterious and cryptic, you're just ensuring that these debates will continue...over and over and over... *sigh* What's in the link is probabaly as concrete as the evidence is going to get...slightly debatable, I suppose, but I'm quite sure that this is accurate...for various reasons.

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... wrote:
Speculating about this ARG being official or not is fun and may be creative after lot of working on puzzle that appear. But now, it's been a while that puzzle haven't come and now that something is up again well you did start the conversation. The fact is that what does it matter is it's official or not? You have fun playing it right? Don't say no because you wouldn't have stay. So why don't we just stop arguing on this and not continu what is need to be done. Exemple, thos passeport and the paper we found in phillip metadex. As for the speculation on the missing people, well it really should get back in that way...

Again guys, stop this, that's not funny to see 2 person arguing like that about something that won't change a thing in the ARG.


The discussion is about whether or not this ARG takes place in the Matrix universe, not whether or not it is "official". The question of relativity to the Matrix is an important one as it impacts not only solutions to unsolved puzzles, but the willingness of some participants to continue.

My statements about Matrix relativity are based on a simple premise: There is no proof that this game takes place in the Matrix universe, therefore, it does not take place in the Matrix universe. If there is proof of this ARG taking place in the Matrix universe, please present it. Otherwise, perhaps it is time to shift paradigms and look at this game from a new angle.

The PM's have resorted to the unprecedented action of telling a moderator that the players have missed major elements of both story and puzzles. This tells me that the PM's are frustrated and the majority of players are not getting "it" because they are viewing things through Matrix-colored glasses.

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So far, there is no CONCRETE evidence that proves that this ARG takes place inside the Matrix. You could say "Well little-boxes.net is a compendium of Matrix glitches," but, like I said, we have no way of proving that.

However, bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz or matrix sucks or whatever you want to be called, there is also no concrete evidence that disproves the theory, and I believe it's quite unreasonable to assume that you are right just because of the lack of evidence supporting the other side.

Really, there is no current circumstantial evidence that proves or disproves either fact. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions and speculation, but I don't think we'll know for a fact until later in the game, and until then, nobody should have the right to attempt to force their opinion on someone else by saying "I'm right and you're wrong, so ha."

So, please be patient, I'm sure we'll have an answer to this soon.

Oh, and also, might we move this discussion to another thread? I nearly forgot what we were initially discussing while I was reading the more recent posts.

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peter_magenheimer wrote:
So far, there is no CONCRETE evidence that proves that this ARG takes place inside the Matrix. You could say "Well little-boxes.net is a compendium of Matrix glitches," but, like I said, we have no way of proving that.

However, bWF0cml4IHN1Y2tz or matrix sucks or whatever you want to be called, there is also no concrete evidence that disproves the theory, and I believe it's quite unreasonable to assume that you are right just because of the lack of evidence supporting the other side.


The beauty of the Matrix universe is that it is rooted in deception and ambiguity. Any anomoly can be ascribed to a "glitch". Any event, whatsoever, can be fit into the Matrix because the Matrix can be whatever it is programmed to be. Short of having the PM's say, "This is not related to the Matrix", there is no way for the PM's to show that this ARG is not Matrix-related. People who want the game to be about the Matrix will always be able to concoct some scenario that allows them to Believe.

peter_magenheimer wrote:
Really, there is no current circumstantial evidence that proves or disproves either fact. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions and speculation, but I don't think we'll know for a fact until later in the game, and until then, nobody should have the right to attempt to force their opinion on someone else by saying "I'm right and you're wrong, so ha."


Nobody is saying, "Ha!" At least, not yet. Wink I don't need evidence to support my corollary because I am asserting a negative. I am saying that something does not exist. If it does not exist, then there is no evidence of it's non/existance. If someone has evidence of the game's relation to the Matrix, please present it.

I'm sure you are familiar with Ockham's Razor. "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate'', which translates as "entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily''. In the case of this game and the question of whether or not it takes place in the Matrix, if there is no evidence of the game taking place inside the Matrix, then the simplest solution is, no, it does not take place in the Matrix. To assert the opposite, one would need make multiple assumptions and concoct fanciful arguments which would multiply the complexity of the question beyond reason.

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