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[UPDATE] Peter Thompson Bio picture (May 19)
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Lrdgrifter
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terminalskeptik wrote:
Compare the attachment I posted above to the image in the link below. BE WARNED, I you have not seen the Orientation episode, you will be spoiled if you go to this link.
http://folk.ntnu.no/jonkjeti/Lost/ORV3.jpg


That was my first thought.

On Joop, the first guy still shows up, but there is most definitely another image showing up at about the 2/3 left 1/3 down position, however it seems that the scrawlies are completely covering it the longer you wait...curious.

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Wonder if there is any significance to the page/memo where Persephone "writes" - I think it's header says, "Atlantic Oil"

Also, I think the word starting with "P" is "prosecution" - "prescription" has a lower case "p" that would hang below the line, and there doesn't seem to be any letters in that blurred group that go below the line, so to speak.

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Gus Raja
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You might be right Julian, but there's no way to tell. The only thing you can make out for sure is that the first two letters are "Pr" and that it's a lenthy word. I also thought it did look like there was something below the baseline where the second "p" would be.

BTW, I think I've discovered another clue...

The phrase "Survivor Guilt" appears to be yet another anagram. In this case the anagram result is...

vitro virus, glu

Looking up the terms "in vitro virus" along with the word "glu" at google.com, you get 85 results. I gotta run, but perhaps some of you can investigate this more. Just from glancing at the result without even going to any of the sites, "Glu" may be the protein "glutamine," and it's often used in combination with different three-digit numbers. Terms like "glu residue" and "glu results" also exist. It definitely has something to do with "in vitro virus."

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anima wrote:
brooklahn wrote:
I've tried every variation on this PW that I can think of.... capital letters, lower case, space between words & no space.

Still nothing. Every time I get the "user unknown" notification.

I'm seeing the letters flash by on the bio pic.

Is there something else I need to have done first, as I read on another thread that the site tracks your behavior.


I think you are trying to put the password in the wrong place. Do not write it in the LOGIN space next to the RSS button, but in the blank space directly below the picture - there is a line there - your cursor should change its shape when you can write.


i'm having trouble too, i typed it in right uner his picture. is there something i need to click? i hit enter but nothing happened.

PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:01 pm
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ivez
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Gus Raja wrote:
Looking up the terms "in vitro virus" along with the word "glu" at google.com, you get 85 results.


"In vitro", "virus", and "glu", are all common biological terms, fairly meaningless as a group. I don't think this is a clue.

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Rydergirl
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II know this is going to sound weird, but when I zoom way in on the "p" word file it reads Alavar Hanso.

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vcaohoin
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I took a screenshot of the unclickable folder and ran it through paintshop sharpen and edge preserving smooth - call me crazy, but I think that it's two words and the first one is 'Press". Can't get a darn thing on the second word - I think it's been purposely blocked out as no matter what I do it's a fuzzy black rectangle.

Also, I don't think that the person in a suit/lab coat is Candle - looking at the Globco marsh pic, his/her silohouette(sp?) looks like a womans' hair up in a 'do of some sort.
no-click folder.png
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Well Perhaps it is unrelated, but if you zoom in on that area there is the word ALvar Hanso. I may be zooming farther than I think and it could be hidden in the white of the other "label" but it's deffinitly there. You have to zoom four or five times I think.

Can someone else confirm this so I know I am not going crazy.

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Rydergirl
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Okay never mind..

When you zoom in you fall out the backside of the the survivor guilt page and back on to the executive bio's page, but when you zoom out again your back on the "secret" page again so i didn't realize what was happening. SORRY, I'm new to all this.

On this executives page though, hugh mcIntyer's bio pic is still there.

Is this sloppy or intentional?

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Gus Raja
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ivez wrote:
Gus Raja wrote:
Looking up the terms "in vitro virus" along with the word "glu" at google.com, you get 85 results.


"In vitro", "virus", and "glu", are all common biological terms, fairly meaningless as a group. I don't think this is a clue.



I emphatically disagree. The more I look into these words as a group, the more it makes sense as a clue. Just looking the phrase "in vitro virus" at google yields the following comment in the very first link...

"The 'in vitro virus' is a molecular construct to perform evolutionary protein engineering. The 'virion (=viral particle)' (mRNA-peptide fusion), is made by bonding a nascent protein with its coding mRNA via puromycin in a test tube for in vitro translation. In this work, the puromycin-linker was attached to mRNA using the Y-ligation, which was a method of two single-strands ligation at the end of a double-stranded stem to make a stem-loop structure. This reaction gave a yield of about 95%. We compared the Y-ligation with two other ligation reactions and showed that the Y-ligation gave the best productivity. An efficient amplification of the in vitro virus with this 'viral genome' was demonstrated."


The phrases "evolutionary protein engineering" and "viral genome" sound like they're right up THF's alley. By itself, "in vitro virus" is a broad subject to research, but including the word "Glu" helps to limit the scope. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, check out this page...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=mboc4.section.1052

In part it touches on the genetic code which sounds strikingly similar to some of the codes clues we've been given such as things translated in base=64, or the Ba-Gua which uses "triplets" to define numbers. I'll briefly quote just a few passages...

"Here was a cryptogram set up by nature that, after more than 3 billion years of evolution, could finally be solved by one of the products of evolution--human beings...

"RNA is a linear polymer of four different nucleotides, so there are 4 × 4 × 4 = 64 possible combinations of three nucleotides: the triplets AAA, AUA, AUG, and so on. However, only 20 different amino acids are commonly found in proteins...

"The N-terminal type of degradation signal arises because of the "N-end rule," which relates the half-life of a protein in vivo to the identity of its N-terminal residue. There are 12 destabilizing residues in the N-end rule of the yeast S. cerevisiae (Arg, Lys, His, Phe, Leu, Tyr, Trp, Ile, Asp, Glu, Asn, and Gln), out of the 20 standard amino acids...


The site even gets into "mutant cells," and we've seen one of those at THF. Looking down the links I've seen many combinations of three letters with three numbers, such as GLU-590. "GLU" has been used with many different three-digit numbers, and at one site I noticed termed "glucose transfer" describing it as a protein.

Keep your eyes open for anything like this. Realizing how this game uses anagrams often, and that "survivor guilt" is an otherwise totally worthless phrase that doesn't even relate to anyone on the island, it doesn't take a doctorate in bioengineering to see that this is somehow a clue.

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jere7my
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Er, Gus Raja, "survivor guilt" or "survivor's guilt" is a common phrase in psychology to describe the guilt someone feels when they survive a tragedy and others did not. Google it.

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jere7my wrote:
Er, Gus Raja, "survivor guilt" or "survivor's guilt" is a common phrase in psychology to describe the guilt someone feels when they survive a tragedy and others did not. Google it.



I won't argue that, but can you think of even one LOST survivor that appears to be having this feeling? And even if you can, does that somehow not make this a clue? There's too much to this to just ignore it. Anyways, I'm not going to continue arguing the validity of this rather obvious clue. You don't have to believe me. I will however continue to delve deeper into its intended meaning.

Looking round the THF site in an attempt to figure out how this relates to The Hanso Foundation website, a couple things come to mind. First, the DNA strand in the TV ad may be telling as it could provide a "genetic code" to be deciphered. If not that, I can only really connect it to the Institute for Genomic Advancement. That page is all about this kind of stuff from the picture of the Mutant Cell to the DNA strand model they're using as part of a "Educational Outreach" experiment. Are we supposed to learn about this stuff?

The stated goal of the instutute has this clue all over it as well...

"the eradication of disease and birth defects through a deeper understanding of the function and mechanisms of the human genome.

The quote for this page is by Thomas Werner Mittelwerk, a.k.a. "Alvar Hanso's right hand man," so he may have something to do with this as well. In his bio he's deemed "the world's foremost authority on biology and genetics." In other words, he's definitely an expert the subject "in vitro virus."

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I actually think "survivor guilt" is pretty clearly an ironic comment on Peter Thompson, who was cured of cancer by Hanso (per his bio). He survived when others (who were more deserving) didn't: hence, "survivor guilt".

Given that it's an actual psychological term that applies well to Thompson's situation, I doubt you'll find an anagram in it, but I won't try to stop you. Smile

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Sorry for getting so frustrated that a couple of you doubted my "clue." I just really think I'm onto something here. In part, when it comes to anagrams you often get a ton of possibilities where it's tough to have any idea which one might be the right clue. But what struck me as odd with this one is that this is really the only anagram that makes any sense at all. There are no other options aside from the option that it was never an anagram to begin with. I'm open to that possibility, but it's still worth some investigation to be sure.

Looking a little deeper into this possible clue, I decided to go back to the Mittelwork clue by again using the "heir apparent" in his bio section. Many posters thought "heir apparent" was an anagram, but you see that's a case where the phrase yields many possibilities with none of them making any sense as far as a possible clue. So, going back and entering this phrase, being sure to pay extra close attention, I noticed something that I recall hearing about before...

Once you hit the code, the clock changes to "21:12." Now I searched this on the board, and indeed I'm not the first to notice this. I found nothing looking up this number, but then I tried "clock changes" and found this thread where it's mentioned briefly early on...

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14846

Aya also mentions this towards the end of the "THF - exec bios" thread, but again nothing more is said about it. The linked thread also points out that there's a picture where you can make out the numbers "2630." I didn't notice this number, but there's even a picture of it in the thread. These appear to be distinct clues as well, but reading down the thread I see no legitimate theories as to what they might mean.

So I took these numbers to Google, and found some intriguing results. "2112" is a popular "Rush" album, so maybe someone might want to take a listen to it if they happen to have it. But then again it could be just about anything with over 25 million links to the number spanning all sorts of subjects. Are there really no theories about this number? I'm surprised such an obvious clue has received no play on this board.

Looking up "2630" there are over 8 million links, but upon refining the search I'm noticing a couple that may have to do with biology. This site talks about a "strain" (keep in mind the clue "breaking strain") of bacteria called "DSM 2630," or "Clostridium paraputrificum" which is a pathagen most often found in babies, in gangreen cases, and in corpses.
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http://www.dsmz.de/strains/no002630.htm

There's also a "RGD 2630," which apparently is a rat genome termed "follicle stimulating hormone beta." This is found at...

http://rgd.mcw.edu/tools/genes/genes_view.cgi?id=2630

You can also change the last number to 2112 to find another genome called "Amplicon, Py-induced."

Interesting, but I'd be more intrigued if it was a human genome. A search for the number along with "glu" yields interesting resuts as well. At...

http://predictioncenter.org/casp4/results/LGA_RESULTS/T0127TS045_1.T0127_2.lga

They have a list of something. It's some kind of molecular analysis, and if you scroll down the list to "ATOM 2630," the line reads...

ATOM 2630 OE2 GLU 346 22.086 40.726 32.181 1.00 1.00

Nearly identical readings are found at...

http://igs-server.cnrs-mrs.fr/elnemo/nmode.cgi?ID=0410051500167349&TASK=SHOWSEQ

and for that matter at many other sites. "ATOM 2630" is always connected with "GLU" and typically next to another three-digit number. So maybe the protein used for the virion being made is GLU-346 or something close to that (possibly even GLU-108). I'm picturing a doctor of genetics reading this and rolling on the floor in laughing at my ignorance, but there are literally thousands of pages connecting "ATOM 2630" with "GLU."

Similar attempts to connect "ATOM 2112" with "GLU" are inconsistent. You'll find some links with GLU, but most refer to a different protein or amino acid. I realize this is probably a wild goose chase looking at atoms so don't even bother doing the same, but if you happen to see anything like this mentioned, you know where you heard it.

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No offence to the PMs or anything, but I feel like they're undermining our intelligence in this ARG. Dropping too many hints, making some things obvious, etc.

Don't know about the numbers, but with mention of the supposed anagram, I think it's one of these things you take at face value

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but can you think of even one LOST survivor that appears to be having this feeling? And even if you can, does that somehow not make this a clue? There's too much to this to just ignore it.

Why would it matter if someone in Lost had this feeling? The game and the show are parellel, not connected. And surely if "survivor guilt" matches something that relates to the character, that's enough of a clue in itself?

Forgive my rant, just posting an opinion Smile
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