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Omnie
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 		Yep, Kat is Beth's new friend...why Beth is so blind, I don't know. Very Happy

Proof = this e-mail in Beth's metadex:

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Email from katgirlSPLATmetadex.net
Date: 10/25/03 13:19
Subject: just go!

Beth,

I've been thinking about this since we got off the phone. You have to do this! Like you said, you'll regret it if you don't go. I know that you're worried about MLO, but you shouldn't be. After all, he's the one that told you to take time off! I'll cover for you as much as possible, so you don't have to worry about that and we live and work a "wired reality." If you need something from work, all you'll need to do is call me and I'll get it to you.

I know that you're worried about a wild goose chase. I've only known you a short period of time, but I've never known you to be wrong about anything. You have to have confidence in yourself and trust your instincts--they're good! Go, find what ever it is that you're going to find, and enjoy yourself! You deserve it!

Don't worry about Laika, she can stay with me while you're gone. We'll have a blast together. If you leave me your key, I'll even stop by your place and check in on things there. Oh! You can borrow all my camping gear. You'll be set. Just stop by my house later so we can get it all worked out.


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Mooni
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 		Erk - how could I have missed that?! Smile

Thanks for filling me in, Omnie. It's pretty obvious that Kat has her own motives for this trip. Plus she's looking after Beth's dog?! The poor puppy - I hope he knows how to bite. Wink

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 		Sorry but Kat isn't going to do nothing to Beth.

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Fortunately I've made a new friend at work that helped me to see the light at the end of the tunnel, Laika was suddenly much better, the altered research led me to a fantastic revelation, and I just feel like I'm 10 years old waiting to open presents.


This show that Kat isn't going to kill or get beth disapear. All the people saying that was a fact are actually wrong. Why Kat would have help beth dog. Also, Beth have call is mom so Beth mom is still there. Third, well Kat is ineterrested in what Beth do. I only see 2 things here


1 Kat actually is helping Beth with her research to let all know what is happening

2 Kat want to know more and try to get Beth on what she discover.

Well in the 2 case, Kat will still stay Beth friend. Also, remember that Kat caugh Beth but didn't really say what Beth saw on Ormond Desk. So stop concluding that kat will kill or kidnap beth. But all this is speculation, only the aprt that Kat have help laika is real (taken in the mail)

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xnbomb
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 		Where is Beth going?
nonlocality wrote:
Conjucture: prediction was made based on the altered order of certain events.

If you plot 92-101 on a map, you will find that they fall in a fairly straight line. I have not taken the time to plot them extremely accurately, but that is clear even from my rough plot.


Alright, this is getting interesting. In another thread, aegir noted the specific entries in the little boxes paranormal research archive that had their numbers changed (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=23852#23852). Beth notices this change in her archive, and apparently uses the new ordering of documents to recognize a pattern in those events that suggests when and where the next one will occur.

As nonlocality notes, if you map 92 through 101, you get something very close to a straight line, a pattern that should not be ignored:





Interestingly enough, Redland could easily fall on this line (guestimating its location using the map for the MetaCortechs employees directory, and sticking it where a certain other city in Washington is located). Note that 96 (cow tripping) falls off the line somewhat ... I wonder if there's anything to that. Also, it is awfully hard to locate Walnut Grove, AR ... there are just too many of them! I picked one on the line Very Happy

I think it's reasonable to think that Beth recognized that these events form a line across the USA. We know she's going camping somewhere 'in the middle of nowhere'. The question that remains is how she determined where on the line the next event will be/where she is going.

I cannot see a really obvious pattern just by looking at the map ... not spatially along the line using the order of document numbers, nor using the dates (92 & 94 are sometime in 2003, the documents aren't more specific than that). There is a rough correspondance in the ordering of document numbers and dates (you have to treat 92 & 94 as wildcards and perhaps assume that whoever re-ordered the documents knew more precisely when those events occurred), at least if you look at the dates by month.

If I stretch a little, I can get something out of it. I do get a sense that points sort of bounce back and forth from far away from Redland to nearby (e.g. 92 & 93 far, 94 & 95 close, etc.) If you look at the distances between the events and Redland, and plot those, I get something pretty wavelike.





Note the blue line I stuck down the middle of the wave ... this is the mean distance from Redland to events 92-101. It does make the pattern a reasonably symmetric waveform. So ... if I look at the last event (101), and guess where the next event (conjectural 102) will be, keeping the pattern symmetrical, I predict the future event to be about 2061 miles from Redland along the line ... about 20 miles SE of Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Is that the middle of nowhere? I don't think so ... somebody know that neck of the woods a little better than I do?

Well, it's a first try. Hopefully someone can find a more obvious pattern. I'd like to point out that I hatched this scheme in the 2 hours between 1 AM and 2 AM ... how's that for paranormal Laughing

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Omnie
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 		Very interesting...I tried doing something very similar, and noticed that many of the events cluster in pairs in certain states. Something that threw me off, though, that is probably very pertinent to this - when you log in to little boxes as beth, password indigogirls, you see that she has bookmarked 19 events. They aren't all the ones whose numbers were changed, and they occur all over the world...it seems to me that, if Beth were trying to predict an event, she would have bookmarked her references. But, in her e-mail, she says that she got the idea from the rearrangement of her files (who did this? "deleted"? One of the hacker dudes from Caesar's gang (or lack thereof, but whatever)? Maybe James trying to get in touch with her? That would be cool...) Anyway, just thought I'd throw this out.

[Edit] Oh...actually, never mind. Those bookmarks are a mix of the relocated events and the ones that seem related to the biblical plagues. So...yeah, it makes sense. Moving along...

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 		Sorry if this is a "trout", but did anybody figure out why she has redundant bookmarks?
1 (#92) = 10
5 (#94) = 12
------EDIT-------
Here are the new dupes that I found. The first # is the "fake missing" archive; 2nd is the number in catalogue

62 = 92
64 = 93
67 = 94
70 = 96
71 = 98
74 = 99
83 = 97
85 = 100
88 = 101
Oh, and 51 still = 53
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Omnie
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yanka wrote:
Sorry if this is a "trout", but did anybody figure out why she has redundant bookmarks?
1 (#92) = 10
5 (#94) = 12


I think I may have...my current theory is that the first 9 bookmarks refer to the plagues (although number nine, the twins, doesn't seem to fit...can someone clear this up?) and the last ones are the ones that her little helper reordered for her to pay attention to.

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Nice plot of the (apparently) oscillating distances, xnbomb. Smile Your conclusion that event 102 will occur out near events 92/93 is an interesting prediction.

However, I'd warn against reading too much into those oscillations. First, Excel makes that fitted line look a lot nicer than it might otherwise be. Second, if you get some totally random data centred on some line (like the mean distance line), there's a good chance you'd get some similar pattern for so few points.

But, it seems unlikely that all those points would fit a line that goes through Redland just by chance. Weilding Occam's razor, I'd suggest that the most likely location for the next event is in fact Redland itself. Kat, then, would be leading Beth out of town just in time for the event to occur -- fixing her paranormal research, perhaps even somehow fixing her dog (so she can leave it), being her friend so she can exert some influence, getting her in just enough trouble that MLO suggests she should take a break... Very Happy

But this is just another guess... I look forward to Beth's mid-week correspondence.
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 		Re: Fun with data
bjc wrote:
However, I'd warn against reading too much into those oscillations. First, Excel makes that fitted line look a lot nicer than it might otherwise be. Second, if you get some totally random data centred on some line (like the mean distance line), there's a good chance you'd get some similar pattern for so few points.

I take your point ... the fit of the curve is pretty optimistic, but even if you look at just the points, there is a symmetry that I find hard to ignore. There are enough points that I wouldn't expect a random set to be that symmetric about the mean, alternating as it does.
bjc wrote:
But, it seems unlikely that all those points would fit a line that goes through Redland just by chance. Weilding Occam's razor, I'd suggest that the most likely location for the next event is in fact Redland itself. Kat, then, would be leading Beth out of town just in time for the event to occur -- fixing her paranormal research, perhaps even somehow fixing her dog (so she can leave it), being her friend so she can exert some influence, getting her in just enough trouble that MLO suggests she should take a break... Very Happy

You know, I like that idea ... although I still wonder where Beth thinks it will be (unless she's cleverly going to double back to Redland). There is precedent for a paranormal event in Redland, document #50 in the little boxes archive (electromagnetic interference). When I read her email, I don't get a sense that she's going camping in Alabama ... probably something closer to home, so Beth might see something else on the line (unless her trip really is a ruse). I'm still a little bothered by the Nebraska cow tripping being pretty far off the line ... what does it mean?

I agree Kat seems to be playing Beth like a fiddle. She may indeed be the one who has been breaking into little boxes and re-ordering the documents to maintain the 'plagues distraction' she describes on her DexTop. I'm hoping that Beth might not be as naive as she appears to be. She has more or less stated that she knows people at work are monitoring what she writes on the net. I'm holding out hope that the reason Phillip Gairden has a MetaDex account is because Beth got it for him because she's a MetaDex developer, has an admin password, and is reading all the MetaDexes just like we are. I know there's no evidence for that ... I just like the idea that Beth might be smarter than she appears to be, and is playing a 'deep game', letting her enemies think they have advantage when really she does. That is very much not in line with Occam's Razor ... but it's more comfortable than thinking Beth is a dupe that is in deep trouble.

I find myself surprisingly concerned that Kat might do something to Laika. That would be crossing the line.

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 		Instead of Redland, perhaps the next event will be at the Cascade Vortex, also in Washington state.

For the Nebraska tripping cows, did you plot Lincoln or Aurora, NE? The Little-Boxes main page for Current research (not the archives) links to http://www.little-boxes.net/res_current_cow_tripping.html which implies that Lincoln might be in another state 500 aways from Aurora.

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Instead of Redland, perhaps the next event will be at the Cascade Vortex, also in Washington state.


Considering Beth didn't specify where she was going but did mention something about camping gear, I kind of imagined that's where she was heading.

What pattern was she seeing when she said she could predict where the next event would be? I know some of you are looking at it geographically, and mapping out the timeline and all, but I'm not seeing much of a pattern there.

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 		she said that someone altered her files... did anyone notice de alterations?
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catherwood wrote:
Instead of Redland, perhaps the next event will be at the Cascade Vortex, also in Washington state.

For the Nebraska tripping cows, did you plot Lincoln or Aurora, NE? The Little-Boxes main page for Current research (not the archives) links to http://www.little-boxes.net/res_current_cow_tripping.html which implies that Lincoln might be in another state 500 aways from Aurora.


I looked at all the Lincolns (cities and counties) in 12 surrounding states, measured distances, and I would put money on "Lincoln" referring to Lincoln County, Wisconsin ~520 miles from Aurora, Nebraska.

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 		Where is Lincoln anyhow?
catherwood wrote:
For the Nebraska tripping cows, did you plot Lincoln or Aurora, NE? The Little-Boxes main page for Current research (not the archives) links to http://www.little-boxes.net/res_current_cow_tripping.html which implies that Lincoln might be in another state 500 aways from Aurora.


Catherwood, you're right. Of course Lincoln, NE and Aurora, NE are not 500 miles apart! To get the coordinate, I split the difference and put the point in between, because they were pretty close together. I should have remembered the two locations were supposed to be 500 miles apart (duh). Good catch Very Happy

Finding this Lincoln is proving to be much less fun than deciding which of the 7 Walnut Grove, AR locations to use Very Happy I'd like the 'right' Lincoln to help put cow tripping on the line ... if it's on the line and 500 miles from Aurora, NE it is either in Wyoming or Arkansas. There is a Lincoln, AR that is about 400 miles away, Lincoln County, AR which is 590 miles away and Lincoln County, WY which is about 600 miles away. All of them more or less fall on the line, but aren't quite the right distance from Aurora, NE (I would describe those distances as either 400 miles or 600 miles in casual conversation ... although that is as the crow flies ... Lincoln, AR is a 531 mile drive according to MapQuest Smile.

Remove that constraint, and there are 12 states that form a 500 mile ring around Aurora, NE and within those there are 11 Lincolns (towns and counties) in the index of my not-so-detailed atlas alone. I can see why Beth never nailed down the location. I wonder if I can get in touch with David Drummond of Aurora, NE and ask him just where those cows came from ... I'm sure he has Bob Pickens phone number Laughing

Because 96 was just about the average distance from Redland, it doesn't really change my distance analysis much, although I don't have a lot of confidence in it anyhow. I still can't see how looking at them in order gives Beth an idea of what's next ... maybe I should give up on the geography.

Just saw your post (Marauder). Yep, that's one of them. There are plenty more.

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 		My guess
I think that event 102 will take place in Alabama (see map) on 0ct 31.



The Lincoln for event 96 is Lincoln AR,that's 500 miles from Aurora and falls in the line from Redland covering all points.

Plus we have a plain distribution of events, that make me guess the last 4 episode are the clue for all...

About the date, it's cause delay between each event have a pattern (+5 +10 + 15) so it'll be Oct1, Oct6, Oct16 and Oct31.

Hope i'm right ;o)[/img]

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