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[hex set] #202 - Mother Tongue
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Lilian
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has anybody come up with a reason why the countries fading to blue Question
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Rand0m
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Bored designer? Laughing

Lots of pretty, but not terribly useful, language maps here. (Don't think anyone's posted that link yet?)
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ramsfan
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I've been looking at country names in their native language as listed in Larousse. Possibles were mainly arabic because there's a common word which I presume means country or republic and starts with a useful J. I've left the list at home and will add later in case anybody can find a subtle variation of any of them.

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think it included Syria, Jordan and some other arabic countries. There were a couple of surprises in terms of long enough names, ie Yugoslavia and Tuvalu. A couple were too long, I think Sri Lanka and Saudi Arabia. I was disappointed that my favourite eurovision song contest name didn't fit: ex republique yugoslavie de macedoine. I so wanted it to be that. Also looking in dictionary of quotations. Got excited when I found "Silence is become his mother tongue" had 30 letters (goldsmith). Completely the wrong letters.
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Rand0m
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ramsfan wrote:
I've been looking at country names in their native language as listed in Larousse.

To use as a source of letters for anagrams, or as possible answers, or both?
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I like your spec, jonthefay - a reverse engineering approach.

The 29/30 letters may not spell a language but ask to name a language or a similar question or statement (the initials of countries in their own languages nearly spells SUM THE NUMBER OF SINGLE LANGUAGES, only requiring an O to be an F, for example). That tends to be the way that these cards work, but there are always exceptions.
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kalisco
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My visual puzzle approach produced nothing, so tried this next.

http://www.ethnologue.com/language_code_index.asp has a list of 3-letter codes for every language in the world.
So looked up the codes that could spell a word that meant 'Mother'.

This is what it produced for my 3 guesses today, which have been logged at http://www.ukinetmedia.com/perplexcity/

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code - mum
language - maiwala
country - papua new guinea

code - mom
language - monimbo (extinct)
country - nicaragua

code - mam
language - northern mam
country - guatemala

my 3 guesses were
maiwala
guatemala
papua new guinea


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jonthefay
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doublecross wrote:
The 29/30 letters may not spell a language but ask to name a language or a similar question or statement.


Good point, didn't think of that Embarassed

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sirichj
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Ok guys if we're going to try to form an anagram as I asked previously what letters are we using ?

For the UK do we use U and K, just U, or maybe E, S, W, I for England Scotland Wales and Ireland? Or should we use GB for Great Britain ?

Same problem for America, do we use A or US or USA ?

Same problem for the 'federations' in the list, do we include FO for 'federation of' or just the country letter itself?

If you can see my point the number of letters could jumo from 29 or 30 to however many you want it to be.

This is the problem I have with the anagram route there seems to be so many ambiguous letters that you can pretty much choose what letters you want to fit what you think the question may be.

I'm not saying that the anagram route is wrong, I'm just asking if we're going to try and do this what definitive set of letters do we try and arrange?

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sirichj
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Just to put my mind at rest and going off on a tangent again could someone please try

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WASH


I found something about a water sanitation and health project that some of the countries on the list participate in. It could also be the background on the card from the ocean and also in some developing countries mothers spit on their babies to clean them.

Just another idea, I keep trying LOL

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sirichj wrote:
Just to put my mind at rest and going off on a tangent again could someone please try

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WASH


I found something about a water sanitation and health project that some of the countries on the list participate in. It could also be the background on the card from the ocean and also in some developing countries mothers spit on their babies to clean them.

Just another idea, I keep trying LOL


sorry but no. Sad

has anybody investigated the following

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http://webworld.unesco.org/imld/

though it might be relevant so tried
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unesco

and
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b@bel

with no success

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Lilian
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ok Question
doublecross if you rephrase it a little you get the single sum number of languages which by the spread sheet turns out to be 17 or 18 i think the Irish speak gaelic makes 18 that information from the spread sheet only(un checked)slightly concernd about the F O change bit but your anagram is close to being to a proper sentence than we've had so far
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Well Done

miamo_tutti

For being the first solver... although probably never been on Unfication and may not ever read the congrats ... ah well

(No posts from him on here yet! only solved 1/2 hour before this post)
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sackofpotatoes
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I just emailed miamo_tutti hoping for a little hint... I'll post any reply he sends here, or ask him to do so. Hopefully a few hundred other people haven't also spammed him too. Wink

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domroberts
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New line of thought

Ok, I am going to share my secrets on this, as its now been solved by somebody else, and Ive run bang out of all my ideas and guesses.

I think everyone is making too much of this card, it isnt a silver. Think of Headrush, a simple visual trick, just hard to see it at first.

There was a post on here ages ago that made me clamour to eBay and buy this card, I was certain I had a first solve. Not to be though. The poster of that clue had apparently overlooked one thing, which I saw instantly. This is too much to be a coincidence surely.

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Scan the card in, or get an image of it. print it out onto (thin) paper twice, and put the sheets together, face to face, vertically. Now look through them from one of the blank sides upto the light. Its a face! Too much of a face to be a coincidence. It has a definite nose and teeth, and ears. Also two human looking characters appear at the bottom out of USA and Brazil. The other poster on here did exactly this trick, but paired the sheets horizontally I think.

Now, I thought this looked definitely Egyptian, especially after the fuss with Earths Destiny and Master of Secrets cards. I think someone on here said Von's hint could mean it was a visual puzzle.

My best and most certain answer was ISIS, the Egyptian Goddess of motherhood, with a crown similar to how the two Russias look. The images at the bottom looked like Isis' profile, or perhaps Queen Nefertiti. ISIS is also a educational programme for teaching students their Mother Tongue. It all fitted in soooo well! Sad

I tried the following guesses, starting with Egyptian and getting progressively more weird, and guess-like! I was trying to look at it and state the obvious really.

Isis
Aset
Nefertiti
Cleopatra
Egyptian
Arabic
Hatshepsut
Hiburu
Aztec
Nahuatl
Great Spirit
Reflection
Symmetry
Rabbit (!)
Face
Clown

All incorrect.

NB. The image in the background is a closeup photo (or photorealistic drawing) of seaspray hitting rocks. Look at it horizontally so the world is upside down. I doubt it has much to do with the solve?


Im hoping a fresh pair of eyes will get another solve on this. PM or email me if you do, and its on these lines! I'm really certain it cant be as complicated as anagrams or telephone codes, the countries are too vaguely laid out to be that definite, and tricky to see even.

Think visual and good luck solvers!

Dom
(domrobertsSPLATyahoo.co.uk)

EDIT - also tried :
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Queen Nefertiti, Goddess Isis, Mummy - all incorrect


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domroberts
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SCAN of that

OK, heres a scan of that I uploaded to my own webby.

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http://uk.geocities.com/processc22/DSC00050.JPG


What do you all think? cool eh?

Dom

NB - Ignore the Dom-thumb, not on the solve!!!!!! Laughing

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