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[doublecross]

Wave 3 falls

[duckiemonster]

I'm going to have my moan now, I've resisted for a long while...

I'm feeling totaly screwed over by wave 3. Like a lot of people who started playing before/at Christmas, I had a full wave 1/2 collection, so didn't want to buy the mixed packs and end up with loads of spares at little or no trade value. I'm therefore quite glad that the wave 3 only packs were released...

...but the wait on them was awful. Basically every card that I could have contributed to solving was done and dusted before my packs had even arrived. I really don't care about first solves, top ten solves, whatever, it's just that players in 'my' time frame not only missed out on the spec and conversation on waves 1 and 2, and now wave 3. I'm sure I'm not alone in having avoided the card forums for the last month or so to keep away from spoilers whilst waiting for the shinies to drop through the letterbox.

Yes, I know I could have gone down the 'Keers' route and purchased them all singly, but my budget doesn't stretch that far. You also lose the excitement of sitting there and taking all the foil off

Rant over. I just hope that wave 4 allows for a simultaneous mixed and 'pure' release, or a lot of people are going to be very, very unhappy.

[idlemichael]

I'd like to think that the 'mistakes' (definitely too strong a word, but I can't think of anything else at the mo - I'm at work and thusly braindead) of the Wave 3 release will be learned from. As Duckie says, having both versions of packs at the same time would be ideal.

[picard] Make it so! [/picard]

edit - bugger me, I'm a right geek.

[Juxta]

Yup. What the lady said. I think Mind Candy are already aware of our disgruntlement over this, but it certainly bears repeating. Wave 3's release was marginally better than Wave 2's - this time it was at least possible to get the "pure" packs, but it's still been a disappointment, for all the reasons listed above.

I've already suggested that perhaps for Season 2, the cards get released, and there is then a "[SPEC] period", before solves can be entered. Wave 1 wound up like this, and there were *months* of discussions on the cards - I'm not advocating such a lengthy time period, and as I've said, I don't know how economically viable it will be for Mind Candy (With a larger playerbase now, we might simply end up with hordes of ADD kiddies running around screaming "WANTY.SOLVE.NOW!!!!")

J

[poozle]

I would agree with duckiemonster if it wasn't for one thing, I was away for the first 2 and 1/2 weeks of wave 3 and so missed the chance to solve them anyway

I would love to actually get involved in a solve of a card but so far the ones I've had the ability to do havve been solved by the time I had the cards

I also feel a bit disapointed that they don't seem to have sorted the distribution of blacks/silvers, in 16 packs I've had 3 blacks and 1 silver, I can't afford to buy more and to get the cards individually I still need (silvers and blacks) I'd be looking at spending £100 (I still need a lot of wave 1 and 2 silvers as well) and I'd much rather open £100 of packs that just buy the cards I need, even though I'd probably still not get all I need.

Although if there was a place near me that sold them I'd probably have a lot more cards as I could impulse buy, as opposed to having to order cards when I want them and talking myself out of it a lot.

[DJ FreeMason]

Honestly, I think it's a combination of more people playing and the fact that a huge uproar was created when Reimann, Shuffled, and 13th Labour were found to be exceedingly difficult. Shuffled, while solveable, can't be brute forced easily with as many combinations as there are for the cards. 13th Labour can be brute forced and it is but it's complicated. And Reimann, well... Let's just leave it at that. They probably decided that maybe those were a little too hard. Either that or they couldn't think of anything that devilishly hard without repeating themselves.

I also don't have the luxury either of getting the silvers or blacks easily from any wave since I am unfortunately in America. There are 13 card shops within 20 minutes drive and of them, 12 have never heard of Perplex City and the other has heard of it, but doesn't carry it. Not enough demand. I had to shell out over $75USD to get the entire collection of red-purple from all 3 waves and 4 random blacks and a random silver. It was a good deal, but it would have been less had I not had to ship from the UK. Getting the individual silvers is expensive. Going to college doesn't help having to be cheap. However, at the moment, I do have 2 options open for card shops although they're farther away than I really want to drive just for PXC cards. One is a card shop in Columbus, the Soldiery, which says they will trade stuff, and I'm sitting on a large collection of L5R and Revised -> Torment era M:TG cards. I might be able to trade some of that in for a few silvers. The other is the card shop I started at, which is now 4 hours away. Definitely farther than I want to drive for PXC cards. Origins, a huge gaming convention in Columbus OH, is starting to sound better since the Soldiery said they're going to be there.

[bertyb]

I have to agree with it all of the above and hope MC can sort out some of the issues before Wave 4 appears.

Personally I think the Wave 1 cards like Shuffled and 13th Labour are great cards and we have seen nothing of that nature since apart from Ciphers of History in the truly "Silver" card Puzzle category - the rest have been black at best.

I think Riemann is a bit of a con personally and there is a seperate thread to discuss that so wont go into that here.

Wave 3 Silvers in general were not the best and it feels as though the cards are getting worse as the game itself gets bigger and better. I know a lot of people only play the cards and others only the bigger game as such and some do both - so I hope MC can balance it all out properly so everybody is happy in the future.

I dont like the long waits between the release of the cards, but dont mind waiting if the cards are going to be worth it and the actual game has enough going on to keep me occupied.

I also fully support the mixed packets and pure packets for Wave 4 appearing at the same time, if anything the pure packs should be released first as it is the players who have been here the longest that have made this what it is so far and MC shouldnt forget that.

I know they need to generate the money to make the game work etc, but I think they will see more people ordering pure packs from each new wave than they would mixed packs.

[e_nygma]

[poozle]

I wonder if they were trying to make it so that some cards would last til the end of the season (shuffled, Riemann and 13th Labour) from the early waves, BUT unfortunately we haven't really had any of those since.

[ambskunk]

[e_nygma]

[ambskunk]

[Hunting4Treasure]

Add me to the list of disgruntled Americans who can't get cards fast enough for a *fair* price. As much as I'd like to be at the top of the leaderboard, it's actually a *joke* to be there! "Top solvers"? Not! The ones at the top just happen to *have* the cards, while *first solvers* are scattered all over the board! The only reason I'm not in 2nd place with the others now, is because I've been waiting for almost *3 weeks* for my last 2 silvers to arrive. (**edit** I just got today's mail, and they're finally here)

I would have been the *first* #2, but that isn't right either, and sure wouldn't have made me *proud* to be there, because I wasn't the *first* solver of 'Mother Tongue'. Some of the *actual* 'first solvers' of other cards didn't have that card in hand yet, but they shared their ideas, along with everyone else. But *others* (lurkers, even, in some cases), get the glory of *first* solve?!?

It also isn't fair that people from the UK have the *most* point potential because they participated in live events. I couldn't attend anyway, but did the people who participated in the NY games get extra points?

Not that I think it matters anyway (explanation follows), but why not give extra points to the 'top 10 solvers' of each card, with even more extra points going to the *first* solvers? That would sure shake the board up, and it would be more *realistic*! The *real* leaders, who actually *deserve* it, should be at the top of the leaderboard!

My rant doesn't matter anyway because I had a wicked thought recently. Sente initiated the cards, right? We're learning, more and more, that Sente can't be trusted. Maybe he doesn't *really* want the cube to be found! What if the cards are just a diversion, to keep our focus off what's *really* important? So far, that's worked for me! In the end, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that someone *not* in the UK (who doesn't even own one card), had the perserverence to follow *every step* of the story to solve the mystery and find the cube!

Bottom line... We're crying about cards that will turn out to be *worthless* in the end! They're definitely *in game*, but only as decoys. It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

[poozle]

[Hunting4Treasure]

If that's true, I apologize. But I honestly never saw anything about the NY players getting points. I just saw a list of all the UK players. If you can find the link, please post it? Thanks!