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[MEDIA] Hugh McIntyre to be on Jimmy Kimmel Live (May 24/25)
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ok you guys all missed it last night but i'll say it again in here.

I love the way the reality has been flipped. There was no disclaimer that hanso is a fake organization. They did not reffer to gary troupe as a fake character for the show lost. They actually went for something that makes perfect sense.

Ok first lets do our reality...
Lost is a show on tv
there is no hanso foundation
there is no gary troupe
there was never crash of oceanic 815
DJ Dan is a fake radio dj


In the ARG world...
Lost is a show on tv that is causing trouble for Hanso
Gary Troupe knows all about Hanso and its evil ways
DJ Dan is a real guy that shuts down the man.
Oceanic 815 really happened
Hanso is a real organization that is angry at Gary Troupe and ABC

This being said this means that the writers of lost our in game. They are either working for Hanso or our anti-hanso.

Now about the tv show, the tv show is in game as it is a tv show but not in game as if that is actually happening now to the arg characters in the stroy.

To explain Gary Troupe. Lets take an awful topic like United 93. An incident happened on 9/11 like the movie but don't tell me that most of that material was right on the button of what was said and done. Gary Troupe and his manuscript "Bad Twin" was known about by the writers of the show Lost.

Questions:
1.Is the tv show meant to brainwash the public on what they are involved in? Answer: Could be.
2. But even though you explained it I don't know how they would have gary troupe in both the show and the arg? Answer: the writers of Lost must know of him or his work personally perhaps they were in the same anti club together and met?

I hope this clears up any confusion of what this all means.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:39 am
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The main thing that bugged me was how they referred to LOST as a fictional TV show. It's all done rather sloppily.

The show is about the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. The book Bad Twin takes place in that world, as the author died on that flight (not the story, but the book's existance). Hugh McIntyre is running a press war with Hyperion over the book's contents.


Several people in chat had similar comments. The question seems to be the boundaries of the LOST experience game world.

First, Hanso cannot simply pretend that LOST the television show doesn't exist in the game world. Hanso has advertised through televised commercials during the show for the past three weeks-how can they claim that the show doesn't exist?

What they can do is view the show through a similar position as the players of the LOST experience. To Hanso, as with you or me, LOST the television show is a fictionalized account of what might have happened to the survivors of a missing Flight 815.

Second, Hanso has included "Bad Twin" in the game world by running ads decrying the authenticity of the book. To Hanso, Bad Twin is a work of fiction written by Gary Troup who is presumed to have died when Flight 815 disappeared.

Because the LOST television show is a fictionalized account of the plane Gary Troup was on, they showed a scene where the manuscript was being read by Sawyer, one of the surviving passengers. The television show has made no other comment about the author of the book-it just showed the manuscript. Even if it had, it would still be a fictional account because presumably nobody knows what really happened to Flight 815. The show is simply making it up.

Third, in the gameworld, Gary Troup really existed. (this is where the game world and the players' real world part company.) The game includes recorded interviews of him talking about the book and mentioning Hanso.

But again, LOST the television show is a made-up story of what could have happened to the flight -- just because the gameworld decides that Gary Troup is real doesn't mean that the whole story of LOST the television show is real.

So I don't see where the game world and the LOST television show conflict with each other.
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I'm going to reilliterate what was said above - it's like a tv show using a real life company.

For example;

A family in a show go to Walmart (Or some British equivilant)

The FAMILY is fictional.
The COMPANY is not.

Then, there is a plane crash, and a man (Gary) dies. His manuscript is recovered, published (possibly in memory of him?) and it has about Hanso in it, and Gary's theories about them. At the same time (or before), the creators of "Lost" hear about what Gary has to say about Hanso, and think "hey, this'd make a pretty good tv show!" hence Lost

It is confusing, and I've probably just confused you all again Very Happy
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Jenna wrote:
Then, there is a plane crash, and a man (Gary) dies. His manuscript is recovered, published (possibly in memory of him?) and it has about Hanso in it, and Gary's theories about them. At the same time (or before), the creators of "Lost" hear about what Gary has to say about Hanso, and think "hey, this'd make a pretty good tv show!" hence Lost



That makes sense, although I wouldn't say the manuscript was recovered. Rather, Hyperion Books was sent a copy just before Gary ever got on the flight. Basically, the plane crash was real, but nobody knows what happened since. In the In-Game world, the show LOST is based on a real crash, but everything that happened since the crash is make up. But that still doesn't quite answer why the producers of the show decided to focus on Dharma as having infiltrated the island. Another thing that doesn't make sense is that Dharma on the show is seemingly on-going and at the very least seems to have been active since 1987.

At any rate, the only potential clue I got from Hugh appearance is that he mentioned the "Worldwide Wellness and Prevention Development Program." That has me thinking that maybe there's been some kind of update in that section, although I don't see anything new yet.

As for Hugh himself, I have my doubts that he was the real Hugh. I suspect they hired someone else to play his part in order to escape the claim that he was fooling around.

Also, if Hanso was last seen in either 2002 or 2003, then why is saying that he's such a busy man and all that. He's saying how Alvar is continuing to fund their efforts and remains active. He also says that they're not hiding anything, and that if anything their intentions are "transparent." I have to wonder, though, if they're not hiding anything than what's up with all the "non-disclosure" policies in their job ads.

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Another point i'd like to add about them making the tv show "real" in the game, is that everyone is trying to link people in the show with people in the arg. Maybe they wanted to point out yet again that the two arent linked. After all, why would a member of a "real-life" company have something to do with a character in a tv show?
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Just to throw in more "Lost is a TV show" info:

On the ABC podcast last week, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindlehof (the producers) played it in-game. They basically said that they had linked their show to real companies, i.e. Hanso and Widmore, but that it was irking those real life companies.

Their words were something to the effect of "We are now getting letters from Hugh McIntyre of the Hanso Foundation."

So clearly, they're playing TLE as both a part of LOST, and separate from it.
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rose wrote:

First, Hanso cannot simply pretend that LOST the television show doesn't exist in the game world. Hanso has advertised through televised commercials during the show for the past three weeks-how can they claim that the show doesn't exist?

Running with that idea, it's a way to get power over the show and influence with ABC. Networks have squelched content before to accomodate sponsors. Hanso could certainly try.
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Jenna wrote:
Is it up online anywhere yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pORrHA7LA
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Excellent! Thanks!

I don't think that was useless at all... It explains to us exactly which reality this game is being played in. Very cool.

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Shawn David Struck wrote:
Jenna wrote:
Is it up online anywhere yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pORrHA7LA
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You're a star!! Thanks so much!

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Re: Did not air for me?!

ahleeeshah wrote:
I'm from Louisiana, and after watching the Lost finale tonight with a group of friends, we stayed in front of the TV waiting for Jimmy Kimmel to come on. I did not read through all of the posts here to see if this only happened for us, but it did not air. A repeat of a Tyra Banks show came on instead. Kimmel's site had it coming on at 11:05 central, but ABC's site showed Tyra's show, and TVguide.com had Tyra as well. Apparently I didn't miss much, but why did it not air here?


Kimmel isn't carried by every local ABC affiliate. As always..."check your local listings"

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Shawn David Struck wrote:
Jenna wrote:
Is it up online anywhere yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pORrHA7LA
Ask and ye shall receive.


There's also a slighlty better quality and better edited version at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN4_kXzqO9I
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Shawn David Struck wrote:
Jenna wrote:
Is it up online anywhere yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pORrHA7LA
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Thanks! lol, a non-player must be so confused now.....

Hugh looked very nervous
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The way I see it is like this, there was no bad acting. The reason Hugh seemed so nervous and unconvincing is because he was lying on live TV.

I'm sure the creators of Lost could have afforded a convincing actor if they wanted/needed one but in this case it was meant to seem suspicious.

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Strings wrote:
The way I see it is like this, there was no bad acting. The reason Hugh seemed so nervous and unconvincing is because he was lying on live TV.

I'm sure the creators of Lost could have afforded a convincing actor if they wanted/needed one but in this case it was meant to seem suspicious.


No way - the actor was really bad - he couldn't remember his lines and he was reading very poorly from notes on his desk. I understand that they were trying to adlib which is a good way to make it seem more real, but the guy could have studied up on some of the terminology and back story a little more - he was hired by ABC, so I am sure he could have been briefed by the show's producers.

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