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enaxor
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 		So we have 8141=John in scrabble letter values and quotes from the Book of Revelations. Revelations was written by St. John the Divine. Another name for Revelations is Apocalypse. It describes Armageddon. Caretaker told us that another alias of Reggie/Marcus is John Baxter. He also told us that Reggie was recently a lay Minister in his church. The denomination being closely related to a Methodist or Baptist type. I am guessing that Reggie is pointing us to another login name and password. Here are a few I have tried.

Login Name

john
johnthebaptist
stjohn
johnthedivine
johntherevealer
johntherevelator
johnbaxter
revjohn
revelator

Passwords

apocalypse
armageddon
revelations
bookofrevelations
baptisim
bible
bookofjohn

These are just a few of the ones I've tried. I hope maybe all this will spark something for someone else to try.
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spookykid
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 		.
marcus is expecting caretaker to do something with the book, we have the specific quotes we need, so would someone with a copy of the king james bible please make a list of the appropriate page numbers which we can give to caretaker, then when he next visits marcus he can open the book in the appropriate places and just maybe marcus will be kind enough to give us some more information.

perhaps he'll have underlined parts of the particular copy, if there's more than one in the library we should get caretaker to check he picks up the right copy (or indeed what happens if he picks up a different one).

and remember that marcus may react to our ideas like scrabble in the future.

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drizjr
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 		Mephisto grew up Protestant
Caretaker said in chat on 10/18:
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<Caretaker> I'm not sure what denomination his church is. They are probably most closely in tune with the Methodist outlook on Christianity

From konamouse's Convo with Mephisto 9/30:
Quote:
konamouse (11:26:46 PM): mephisto, do you believe in god?
xover222 (11:27:46 PM): I believe there is a devil. And if there is a devil how can there not be a god?
konamouse (11:28:59 PM): do you believe in angels?
xover222 (11:29:13 PM): Sure
konamouse (11:29:48 PM): did you grow up with any particular religion?
xover222 (11:30:04 PM): Protestant.

And just FYI, from Bible Gateway site:
Quote:
The Authorized Version, or King James Version, quickly became the standard for English-speaking Protestants.


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 		Re: .
spookykid wrote:
would someone with a copy of the king james bible please make a list of the appropriate page numbers which we can give to caretaker


That wouldn't do much good, since page numbers are not standardized. They vary according to page size, font size, spacing, etc. Just like the hardback and paperback versions of a book have the same text but different page numbers.

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 		John
There are actually 5 books related to John in the New Testament:

The Gospel according to St. John, the fourth book, is a telling of Jesus's life along with some details that Matthew, Mark, and Luke do not have. the differences are laid out on this page. For example. John is the only gospel to tell the story of the resurrection of Lazarus.

I John, a letter written by the Apostle John to an unnamed person or persons. There are other theories that this book was written by John the Elder, or one of John the Apostle's students. It was written as an affirmation that God's believers will have eternal life.

II John, written by the apostle to a church in Asia. This letter congratulates this church for its love towards its fellow man, but warns it not to be the mouthpiece for heretical views.

III John, written by the apostle to a Greek Gentile named Gaius. The summary for this short book is to show hospitality to Christian messengers.

Revelations, written to seven Asian churches. This is one of the best-known books of the Bible; a description of the vision John has of the future, including and the plagues and judgements that unbelievers will receive prior to the second coming of Christ.

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Elijah Snow
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 		Has any one cross referenced "John", "Revlations", "Bible" with "Cryptology" via Google?

There was a book a couple of years back called "The Bible Code" that may also yield some results.

Just throwing out a couple of ideas.

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addlepated wrote:
Hey BigBrad, you're ok in my book! Wink

As far as the meaning of the different horsemen, it's usually interpreted as:

White = the church, or Christ
Red = War
Black = Famine
Pale/Grey = Death


I thought they were usually named: Pestilence, Famine, War, Death.
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 		INFO + SPEC: KICK OUT PAGE CRYPTO
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto/pp0104.htm


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The kappa test compares the proportion of coincidences that would be found, in the Vigenere case, between two sequences of random letters, which would be exactly 1/26, and between two normal plain-language texts. That is higher, because the letters are not all equal in frequency. That figure equals the sum of the squares of the probabilities of all the plaintext symbols; the chance of an A in the first message times the chance of an A in the second message, plus the chance of a B in the first message times the chance of a B in the second, and so on.



Greek Letters that start each of the Verses in Revelations:
Omnicron, Lambda, Kappa, Kappa, Sigma Kappa

Are there other crypto methods that go by those names? If so that could be the order we need to use each technique to slove this baby.
I could use some help on this, Crypto is not my strong point.
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 		Info: SCRABBLE!
Sure the Bible upset him when Caretaker picked it up we were moving in the wrond direction!!!!

Pull out the scrabble boards folks, those are WORD SCORES! Not verses

Perhaps each pair are words that cross each other that woud give us 6 ID and passwords to the back door.

Thanks Katya and Addie for keeping me company while I wandered around looking for different codes as I was "wandering off the path" ...

Thanks Hobie for having the same though I did at the same time.

Now where is my d....n scrabble board....

Hobie just found a Scrabble tabulator: http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20261&vid=110099

BUT WE NEED SOMEONE WITH A MAC OR MAC EMULATION!!!!
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MageSteff
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 		Solve?: Crosswords Scrabble
It is 4 am and I have not slept yet. We have the solve.

Scrabble scores. The pairs of the crossword clues are IDs (on the left, I hope) and Passwords (the right), that should give us 6 pairs to use.

Use only letters with values printed on them, anything with a double/triple word score gets a 2/3 tacked on the end.

Here are the pairs that Marcus/Reggie/John gave us, OnyxW will write a program later today to figure out the words. As for me, I'm tired We have it and you can tell Marcus he can come play chess with me soon.

3...16. ...
22. .... 20. ...
5. ...8. ...
6. ...12. ...
22. ... 18...
11. ...5. ....

I'm going to pass out now. Hopefully I will be able to get up for work in two hours. ***EDIT*** Got caught as was about to pass out, to try to figure out at least one ID/PASS... Still haven't been to bed, and now it is time to get ready for work
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grumpyboy
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 		Re: Solve?: Crosswords Scrabble
Magesteff wrote:
We have the solve.


Magesteff wrote:
Use only letters with values printed on them, anything with a double/triple word score gets a 2/3 tacked on the end.


I dont understand what you're saying... if you mean "3" and "16" are scrabble scores to two words then it's going to be extremely difficult figuring them out. The possibilities are endless, especially with double and triple letter/word thrown into the mix... Confused

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 		Re: Solve?: Crosswords Scrabble
grumpyboy wrote:
Magesteff wrote:
We have the solve.


Magesteff wrote:
Use only letters with values printed on them, anything with a double/triple word score gets a 2/3 tacked on the end.


I dont understand what you're saying... if you mean "3" and "16" are scrabble scores to two words then it's going to be extremely difficult figuring them out. The possibilities are endless, especially with double and triple letter/word thrown into the mix... Confused


Maybe I was a bit hasty with the word Solve... I was writting at 4 am on no sleep, but I am at least 99.9999% certain.
There are some things we can use to limit the choices:
The ID's are first names or proper words, but I do agree that we cannot say the same for the passwords, because we have one proper word, once mirror image and one random string. I do think that in this case we will NOT be getting an alphanumeric.

The first pair, once solved should show us the format for the following ones. Either they are numbers of letters in the word, in which case 3 could be Reggie's favorite user "god" and an administrator, in which case the password may be "password" - or if a numerical value we still have a limit of choices such as one and ate, words, not random letters. Is is going to be time consuming to look over the lists? Yes. Lazarus said, and not so much in jest 8141 could be ate one for one.

SO far all the puzzles have been a two step process, first figure out how the information is presented then figure out how to transform it. Even the chess puzzles were that - first figure out the match, then play the match.

Reggie/Marcus/John is consistent about that ... remember he said to Geist regarding the chess program (paraphrased) "It will be interesting to watch the pattern, I also see patterns in the code."

Keep that in mind. There is a pattern.

What we have so far as log in IDs: Thanatos, jake, defect.
passwords: herald, d43fjj5, tcefed.

And upon looking at that, I am fairly willing to rule out Names of people.
Ands since none of the clues have the same number as both, more than likely not the mirror one either, which leaves us with... mythic gods...
Thanatos =herald of Death (Rider of the Pale horse, and his name was death)

Addie get out your notes, three more horsemen:
mythic representative of War:
Mythic representative of Pestilence:
mythic representative of Famine:
get out the notebooks, hit the libraries...
and if you have something else you feel needs to be looked at put it up on the board, we have people all over the world, they want to be able to help, and they need to see what you and I are thinking.
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 		u have a big task ahead of you. for example, the 6...12 combination. the list of words that score 6 in scrabble is extremely long (many combos of letters and/or double/triple letter and/or double/triple word scores) - we're probably not talking about hundreds but thousands. same thing can be said for the list of words that score 12. Especially since we dont even know the word length. If 6...12 does result in a user/password pair, there's no way of knowing whether we have one or the other correct unless you try all the combos. With thousands of possibilities for the 6 and thousands for the 12 (I'm being conservative already), we're talking millions of possible pairs. And that's just one pair of crossword clues. Confused

To me that just seems too way out there. I'd be disappointed in this puzzle if that ends up to be the way to solve it (i.e. going thru work lists and trying lots of combos), BUT i would be happy that this thing gets solved Very Happy

Good luck Very Happy

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 		I guess the crossword clue puzzle has nothing to do with Scrabble. At that time Reggie didn't had a scrabble at hand. Only the 8141 puzzle was scrabble-based and only to help us in the original, crossword puzzle. So the original puzzle has something to do with JOHN (If it is John).

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 		Another Idea from our friends in blue
I don't remember if this was mentioned before or not ...

But over on the Collective Detective boards was this good conversation:
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From: dashcat
Date: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:09pm PST (-0800GMT)
Topic: Question.
Subject: The crossword puzzle [ post avg : --]
The first two answers to the clues of the crossword puzzle are LAURA and URL. Has anyone tried a URL for Laura? I just tried www.laura.com and got a password protected page. I haven't tried tracing that yet but I will try to unless all this has been discussed and tried and I missed mention of it.
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Grumpyboy responded:
I've personally tried some of the crossword answers as htm/html files or folders in existing in-game sites. But I haven't (and havent heard other people) tried laura or any of the other answers as site names. Good thinking...
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Varin added:
well I tried to lookup the combos (laura/url, gbs/sheena, etc) on whoisreport and it didn't come up with anything. That of course doesn't mean that the sites don't exist, I might just be looking up the wrong combinations.
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Steff
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