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United States: MASTECTOMY LEGISLATION
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MageSteff
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United States: MASTECTOMY LEGISLATION

Got this from my cousin... thought it was worth passing on to you all...

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: Fw: MASTECTOMY LEGISLATION


MASTECTOMY LEGISLATION

Important info for all women. Please forward this to everyone in your address book. This is a time when our voices and choices should be heard. It takes about 30 seconds to vote on this issue...and send it on to others you know who will do the same.There's a bill called the Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act which will require insurance companies to cover a minimum 48-hour hospital stay for patients undergoing a mastectomy. It's about eliminating the "drive-through mastectomy" where women are forced to go home hours after surgery against the wishes of their doctor, still groggy from anesthesia and sometimes with drainage tubes still attached. Lifetime Television has put this bill on their web page with a petition drive to show your support. Last year over half the House signed on. PLEASE!!!! Sign the petition by clicking on the web site below and help women with breast cancer get the care they need and deserve!! There is no cost or monetary pledge involved. You need not give more than your name and zip code number.

http://www.lifetimetv.com/reallife/bc/pledges/bc_mast_pledge.html

PLEASE PASS THIS ON. THANKS!


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addlepated
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That petition won't do much good, since it's going to the person who already backs the bill. You're better off calling your own legislators and expressing your support for the bill to them.

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Personally, I totally disagree that the legislature should be involved in defining care issues for medical professionals.

I think it's patently obvious that laws are passed based on money and lobbying and selfish motivations, not to mention non-medical personnel spouting their supposed expertise.

This is completely different from evidence-based medical care. Good medical care isn't typically based on anecdotal horror stories, or blind reliance on past practices, or special interest input, but on well-reasoned and reproducible research.

Micromanaging specific aspects of health care through congresspeople is ludicrous, being fraught with the greed of business interests, the lack of the medical practical expertise of those crafting the laws, the sluggishness of inertia, and ultimately - if you think about it long enough - the ultimate danger to the public.

But, over the decades, I've seen enough of these scare tactic maneuvers to recognize that the primary drive behind a lot of them is union issues. Really. The reason that an issue like this goes through the government is not because of some sense of altruism - but it's a manifestation of a specific union trying to force standards on medical corporations so that they have job security.

In order to accomplish this, they find a threatening scenario ("patients sent home groggy with tubes hanging out of them" - sheesh) and use this sophomoric tactic to rush through their legislation, claiming that their opponents must be misers or inhumane or both. It's the standard approach of unions, and it doesn't impress me at all. Instead, I think it's obvious that medical personnel define care standards based on research, and use existing monitoring bodies to make sure that those standards are adhered to. And leave the frickin legislators out of it.

But I haven't made up my mind on the subject completely yet. Wink
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First of all, I agree that legislature should not be involved in defining care issues for medical professionals. Non-medically trained individuals should not be able to tell doctors or medical workers what has to be done in a specific case. But, if you read the full article that Magesteff linked to, that really isn't what this is about. Wink

It's more about insurance companies refusing to pay for stays after surgery even if the doctor and patient think it is a good idea because they don't think it is necessary. It's not about taking any decision-making on the part of the doctor or patient. It's about women who have to leave the hospital when they probably shouldn't because their insurance won't pay and they can't afford it themselves.

Personal rant...

I've ran into this sort of thing several times with several different insurance companies. I know that insurance companies are in the business to make money, but their "rules" about what they will and won't pay for just don't make sense sometimes. THe insurance companies I have had to deal with fight every tiny thing that they can. And I think that's a shame. I pay for insurance so why should they treat me like crap when I actually need to use the insurance I've paid for? If it takes legislation to get them to cover things that are needed, then I say let's give them the legislation.
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I reserve the right to rant on any topic that's even peripherally related to the subject at hand.

It's for your own good.
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Varin
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dmax wrote:
I reserve the right to rant on any topic that's even peripherally related to the subject at hand.

It's for your own good.



You can rant about anything you like Laughing I'm not gonna stop you Wink
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MageSteff
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dmax wrote:
I reserve the right to rant on any topic that's even peripherally related to the subject at hand.

It's for your own good.


Sure you can rant.
I reserve the right to point out that we aren't talking about your breast... although there are men who do get breast cancer as well. A bit rarer than the female variety but it does happen. It's their health we are talking about as well. Insurance lackeys should not be the ones making healthcare decisions.
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Hey, careful when you're throwing around that term "insurance lackey". Mad

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dmax
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Magesteff wrote:
dmax wrote:
I reserve the right to rant on any topic that's even peripherally related to the subject at hand.

It's for your own good.


Sure you can rant.
I reserve the right to point out that we aren't talking about your breast... although there are men who do get breast cancer as well. A bit rarer than the female variety but it does happen. It's their health we are talking about as well. Insurance lackeys should not be the ones making healthcare decisions.


It's not true that men get to make the healthcare rules about men's issues and women make the rules about women's issues. Good health care is based on objective research, and not on the gender of the person making the rule.

Insurance lackeys? I suspect that the term insults more than one person who doesn't deserve it. It would be similarly insulting to denigrate "_____ women" or "________ doctors" or "________ white people." Too broad, too thoughtless a swipe at a group, IMHO.
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