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[UPDATE]Quirky Acuity - 31st May 2006
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ThusQED
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While I agree that Sente has been keeping an eye on Violet and Kurt, I'm not sure if key-logging is the way he did it. Frankly, it would be a simple matter just to have someone tail Violet as she left the city.

Also, although Scarlett bought her car after going to Viedenbourg, there is no reason to believe that the "people from V" did not follow her simply because they didn't show up to nab Claire. For all we know, the Castille's were found after Scarlett left and the reason for the secrecy was because of Scarlett's relationship with Sente. True, that is a sort of squirrely argument.

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Sente has legitimate reasons to monitor every exchange between PXC and Earth, after all, it's his budget that funds it (well...that was a boring and prosaic example, but you know what I mean).


We know that PXC controls what we get to see from them, but is it possible that they can handle every single bit of data that comes to them from us? They've been watching us for quite a while and I wonder how they choose to sort through all the information that is there. Then again, it would be a simple matter to simple keep track of the e-mail exchanges between us and his staff. I wonder, though, how does one set up an e-mail system with Earth? Its sort of weird actually... If one has to manually program "this website should be accessible to Earthlings" then why do the PXC researchers see fit to give us access to the Salk family website or Hesh-records? It is more likely that we have access based upon any link that a person posts online. Sort of like, if someone in PXC puts a link to a website, we gain access to that website. If that is the case, the system has to be automated and it is probably difficult to track.

My take on Sente is that he is extremely competent and good at his job. If I were to make a comparison, he is rather like Klaus Wulfenbach from Girl Genius (www.girlgeniusonline.com). Then again, I'm betting Sente likes his job a lot more than Klaus does. The point is that I doubt whether we can judge Sente's actions to be pure or not. He definitely is seeing some grand bigger picture than everyone else (perhaps even greater than 3P).[/url]

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Believe it or not, this actually makes me trust him MORE...
Just the tone of the conversation...
The way he referred obliquely to Miranda's death makes me suspicious though;

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"You'll see that I received some unfortunate news yesterday. It seems that an unexpected explosion has cracked the mine wall, and the Silburn-Griggs mines have been entirely flooded. The preservation society are most upset by this turn of events, but it couldn't have been predicted. It was probably caused by some blasting devices left down there by the miners.
I do hope you and Kurt didn't leave anything down there. It could never be recovered now."


Seems like he's saying: "My agents found Miranda's body and the flooding you caused, so I had the mines blown up to finish the job, provide a logical explanation for the flooding, and cover up her murder."

Thing is, the "Miranda Covenenant" wanted to keep us from getting the cube, so it's unlikely Sente is a part of that group. (Unless this is all a cunning double bluff!
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It seems that an unexpected explosion has cracked the mine wall, and the Silburn-Griggs mines have been entirely flooded. The preservation society are most upset by this turn of events, but it couldn't have been predicted. It was probably caused by some blasting devices left down there by the miners.
I do hope you and Kurt didn't leave anything down there. It could never be recovered now."


Definite cover up. We know Kurt flooded one of the shafts but that was away from the entrance and so wouldn't have been that catastrophic. Sente SO knows about the whole Miranda affair although he may not be so informed about Scarlett's little adventure but I wouldn't put it past him. I suspect that Sente will turn out to be, as has been previously suggested, some kind of master of spies...
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[SPEC]
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and stake a claim, in a pseudo-Cluedo stylee. Patrick Azadian, in the Academy, with the Reynolds Ioniser. Actually, not with the Ioniser - that's V and his wacky psychotic ways. However, I've been deliberating over it for a while, and I'm increasingly convinced that Patrick is our mole in the Academy. He is:

*Ideally placed, he has the ear of the Master, although he is not "Senior" in the Academy, he's pretty much at the top of the tree, and would be privy to pretty much everything that Sente knows.

*Access to any and all areas of the Academy - we already saw how much weight being Sente's daughter carries, he wouldn't even need that, in the absence of the Master, he's effectively top-dog. "The boss wants you to do this for him..." is a massively powerful bargaining chip with anyone.

*Even if not present in top-level meetings, he'd be able to observe them easily - his presence around them wouldn't raise any suspicions.

*All of Sente's correspondence goes via him - this would also explain that tricky puzzle of how clues are getting onto the cards, which Mind Candy have no knowledge of.

*Final point: "...supplied by Patrick to ease the awkwardness, presumably, since that man thinks of everything." He's almost invisible, placed at the top of the tree, fingers in all the pies, knows everybody's motivations...but nobody *would* ever suspect him.
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As for motive...well, that's a little more unclear at this juncture.

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h0neym0nster
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Friday, February 3, 2006
Back on the road

Scarlett writes "We've been travelling for just over two weeks now and, as I expected, my key signal has been intermittent. For some reason we seem to have hit a good spot the past few days, perhaps because we're travelling through open country at relatively high altitudes, so I've taken the chance to read through, and reply to, a lot of mail from home. I see a few of you noticed that I'd posted something to my blog - it seemed like the best idea. I didn't want my dad noticing that I hadn't posted anything and wondering why."

So obviously Sente knows that she posts to Earth, but can he read it? I would think so. As for the key signal......engineered to be a good signal at just the right time?

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Juxta wrote:
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I'm going to go out on a limb here, and stake a claim, in a pseudo-Cluedo stylee. Patrick Azadian, in the Academy, with the Reynolds Ioniser. Actually, not with the Ioniser - that's V and his wacky psychotic ways. However, I've been deliberating over it for a while, and I'm increasingly convinced that Patrick is our mole in the Academy. He is:

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Bah! you beat me to it. Its always someone close to the obvious suspect, the 'puppet master' so to speak Smile

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Juxta wrote:
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I'm going to go out on a limb here, and stake a claim, in a pseudo-Cluedo stylee. Patrick Azadian, in the Academy, with the Reynolds Ioniser. [/SPEC]

As for motive...well, that's a little more unclear at this juncture.

J


Perhaps not a counterproof to your logic, but a potential hiccup, Juxta:

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Recall the leaked emails between V and the person in the Adjunct Senior Fellows Meeting (set 2 of emails on the Wiki). While Patrick could be in that meeting, it is unlikely he would be unless he's sitting in Sente's place to take notes. If that's the case, he could get out of it easier than one of the Fellows could ("My apologies, but Master Kiteway has requested my presence immediately").

Okay, so maybe Patrick is the one V refers to tell his minion to get out of the meeting? Perhaps, but I don't see how the personal aide to the Master of the Academy is "more senior" to an Adjunct Senior Fellow. The Fellow certainly would not agree. So, the question still remains, who is the AdjSF who works with V?

Okay, what if there is more than one mole? Remember that Leo (Kurt's friend) at the ASC believed there were "two geniuses" and that "both had inside info" (read here if you don't remember this conversation). Being Kiteway's personal assistant would give Patrick the ability to "look over" the security of the Cube, especially the security on Ball Night ("Master Kiteway wants to make sure that nothing goes wrong on this most important night").

However, if you know exactly what the defenses were and how to turn them off or bypass them, you would not would need a security genius though, much less two. So, if Patrick is the mole, why would he need another accomplice inside the Academy? It's just another loose end to worry about.

Still, it is defintely a possibility we want to consider.
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we don't need to spoiler spec here Smile the Azadian angle isn't new, but it's good to have it actually discussed in more detail. (Two more notes about him - I think his email still gives the autoresponder - but perhaps we should try again, and he was the author of the Firebox 100 letters sudoku game, which we never really finished.)

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Well, Leo could be underestimating the scope at which the involvement of higher-ups is taking place (a trade-up from two insiders to the second-biggest insider of them all), and thus overestimating the number of people required to pull of the heist.

But, Leo is infallible, so I guess that just CAN'T be the case. Rolling Eyes

And, we know, for a fact, that Patrick has been meddling with cards; The Firebox 100, anyone? Who are we to say the same person planting sudoku numbers isn't the same one slipping in the shaded letters, making a call to Combed Thunderclap?

One of the two is very, very deeply rooted in all of this; I foresee grand side reversals and revelations in the coming months. The framework is falling, and we're going to see what's making all the organizations, from 3P to the Academy to the City Council to the CRR, tick.

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And, we know, for a fact, that Patrick has been meddling with cards; The Firebox 100, anyone? Who are we to say the same person planting sudoku numbers isn't the same one slipping in the shaded letters, making a call to Combed Thunderclap?


This doesn't discount the idea, but the link to the sudoku is a little reaching - MC have said they don't know anything about the shaded letters but they certainly knew about the Firebox 100 since they signed the cards and wrote the numbers/letters on themselves! Not really a good example of his sneakiness. Not that that means he's not sneaky of course.

EDIT: unnecessary necessary

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cassandra wrote:
we don't need to spoiler spec here Smile the Azadian angle isn't new


Well, apologies for that. A swift search prior to my post garnered only one possible reference to Patrick Azadian speculation, and that can be described as oblique at best. Hence, out of courtesy to our gentle readers, I spoiler tagged it.

I've removed the spoiler, as it's seemingly unnecessary. Also: please people, when quoting, just take the relevant bit, not the entire post, it just makes the forums easier on the eye.

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e_nygma wrote:
However, if you know exactly what the defenses were and how to turn them off or bypass them, you would not would need a security genius though, much less two.

You might if you needed to make it look like it wasn't an inside job, if you see what I mean... A door unlocked from the inside leads suspicion to point only one way, but a door made to look like it has been opened from without...?

And that's without the whole craziness of two teams of thieves (V's crew, and the ones who beat them to it) running around concurrently - presuming one was operating in knowledge that the other was following, then staying hidden and covering their tracks would probably require some heavy-duty expertise and knowledge of the system...

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Tintintin wrote:
You might if you needed to make it look like it wasn't an inside job, if you see what I mean... A door unlocked from the inside leads suspicion to point only one way, but a door made to look like it has been opened from without...?


Well, if you have the entire defense plan, you could design a way to get inside that looks like you need multiple genius insiders, but in reality only need a reasonably competent goon.

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1) Disabling a decent security system is a lot more complicated than merely pushing a button or cutting a wire. If it was that easy, there would be absolutely no point in having the system in place. There were several different systems in use, all of which needed to be removed. All would have back-ups and fail-safes. So if the power is cut, the alarm goes off. If a system is shut down, the alarm goes off. Etc.

2) The insider was not directly involved in knocking out the security system. They gave information away as to how the system operates, its weaknesses, and how it could be disabled. Whoever took the security out, still needed to know what they were doing.

Well, that's how I understood things to be. But if you want to carry on thinking that the security for the most precious and heavily guarded object in the city could be "switched off" by some "goon", then feel free. Wink

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Velma wrote:
Well, that's how I understood things to be. But if you want to carry on thinking that the security for the most precious and heavily guarded object in the city could be "switched off" by some "goon", then feel free. Wink


"Goon" was a bad word choice. What I was aiming at was that if Patrick was part of the conspiracy or had given out the security plans, then you would not need a super-genius hacker type. Instead, you would only need someone who had reasonable level of skills and could follow (perhaps design) a takedown plan conceived with the information provided by Patrick.

I guess a better comparison would be instead of a Gunter Janek, you could hire a random computer science graduate. Okay, you'd probably need someone on the ground too (to cut/shunt wires and cameras), but they'd be there anyhow to get the cube.

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