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[SITE] Let Your Compass Guide You (May 17th)
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Gus Raja
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bepar wrote:
The Peter Thompson Signature found in the Hugh McIntyre folder is the same one from the files found on Joop's Corner. That would make me think that was the forgery and the contracts with Jeep were the real ones.



Good point. However, in the DJ Dan podcast he again has this same sig from McIntyre's folder and soon after that there's a Jeep contract document with this same signature (not the sig in the Jeep contract linked above). So it looks like Thompson's name was signed on different documents, but one or some of them are fakes. It's also tough to know if the sig in Hugh's folder is the fake because maybe he's keeping a real sig of his for comparison purposes, but you're probably right meaning the document presented in the podcast was the fake.

Perhaps someone at Jeep recognized the descrepencies and that's why the deal was called off. Or else maybe it was called off because something was signed that Thompson didn't agree to.

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 		I can't take credit for this.. people on this blog are talking about the 'tangents' interpretation of t9agen75.gif, which I think is intriguing. In any event, this led to some research into so-called "Gematrian Numbers" which apparently are a type of numerology associated with ancient texts, etc. And so, if you Google 'gematrian numbers', you are led to this link, which contains the exact same 'compass wheel' shown on lycgy.com. I'm attaching this below.

So I'm not sure what this means yet, except that the choice of this odd-looking compass probably wasn't by accident..
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 		Way cool! I think this is significant. Geek

Here's another link that shows the same compass figure, referred to as a Germatrian Wheel.
http://www.greatdreams.com/gem1.htm?session=pwY2rdhvrsadyCZFTDMf0Qa3lf

Maybe this system is a predecessor to the Valenzetti equation?

- Wulfgirl

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IMHO, finding the source for the compass design just tells me that the PM is not making original images for their flash designs.

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aelith46 wrote:
IMHO, finding the source for the compass design just tells me that the PM is not making original images for their flash designs.
yeah i think i side with that
danteIL wrote:
So I'm not sure what this means yet, except that the choice of this odd-looking compass probably wasn't by accident..
..nope probably laziness Razz

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 		I don't think we should discount the origins of the compass on lycgy.com that easily.

This seems like a really obscure drawing to just "happen upon" and lazily use as the basis for a major clue in the game.

I think the stock photos that have been used elsewhere for Joop, exec bios, etc. weren't lazy choices either. They seem to have been chosen specifically to give the Hanso Foundation a non-distinct gender and ethnic-neutral face. The fact that they're stock photos might be OOG, or it might be IG.

After all, the corporation yanked "Hugh's" picture right before they had "Hugh" appear on Jimmy Kimmel. That could be OOG (because the team behind the game didn't anticipate the Kimmel appearance) or (more likely) in my opinion, it could be VERY in game. These shows are booked months in advance. With that amount of notice, they could have had someone cast, and could have put a real headshot up on the site.

Numbers have played an important part in the show thus far (specifically THE numbers). I think we should do a bit more research on the Gematrian Numbers. From the brief amount of reading I've done, it seems that some believe that the numbers can be traced back to places of great power on the globe. Maybe the Island is one of those?

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danteIL wrote:
I can't take credit for this.. people on this blog are talking about the 'tangents' interpretation of t9agen75.gif, which I think is intriguing. In any event, this led to some research into so-called "Gematrian Numbers" which apparently are a type of numerology associated with ancient texts, etc. And so, if you Google 'gematrian numbers', you are led to this link, which contains the exact same 'compass wheel' shown on lycgy.com. I'm attaching this below.

So I'm not sure what this means yet, except that the choice of this odd-looking compass probably wasn't by accident..



This is all fascinating stuff that certainly may be incorporated into the game and its use of numbers. Wulfgirl's page is full on quotes that might come into play such as...

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A half-day, or one-half KIN, is 12 hours. We could think of this as "daytime" and "nighttime". Then, each 'daytime' and each 'nighttime' can be split into two 6-hour intervals. Each 6-hour interval is equal to 36 "Mayan Minutes", which gives us a basic "gematrian" unit of 36 "Mayan Minutes". As Carl P. Munck shows in his work, these 'intervals of 36' can be plotted as two separate sine waves according to the two common tangents (plus and minus) of gematrian numbers.


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The number 108 is the number of names of the Mother Goddess in India, and figures in the time cycle number as 108 x 4 = 432.


For the above quote, note how there are 43,200 seconds in a 12-hour period. I'm not going to go much deeper just yet because doing so can easily send you off any all sorts of tangents (literally).

A quick comparison to the LYCGY compass yields a perfect match to this gematrian wheel...



They're identical. I was actually hoping to find some small number being off as a potential clue, but there are none.

Doing a google image search for the wheel I noticed a page where someone plotted the "Spider Grandmother," an image from a Hopi creation myth, on the wheel noting the similarities...



but the page also presented something else seemingly unrelated but rather interesting as it possibly relates to the LOST numbers. At least all of the numbers aside from "42." He notes...

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The number [666] is related to the Magic Square of the Sun, based on the number six, as a 6 x 6 grid with the numbers 1 through 36 in the boxes. Adding all the numbers results in 666. Adding a row or column [or diagonal] results in 111...



Note how the numbers 8, 23, 15, 16, and 4 are all present. The number "666" probably has no bearing in this ARG, although it is interesting that 6 x 6 x 6 = 108 x 2. This Jewish Caballa talisman wouldn't have even caught my eye if it wasn't for so all these LOST numbers.

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 		I hate to spoil theories...

But since the Lost numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, and 23 are all under 36, and 42 isn't... and the Magic Square of the Sun is all the numbers between 1 and 36 in it... Obviously it's gonna have the first 5 Lost numbers in it.

It'd be fine if the numbers were all in one row, or column, or even a mirrored pattern, but they're just randomly placed and happen to lie in a group of 4 with 4 itself left alone at the bottom.

Obes.

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 		Hello there, Matt the Pale here. Myself and others were partially responsible for bringing that gematrian wheel to light. It was originally mentioned on May 18, but no one discussed it -- I rediscovered it only last week, by typing "gematrian" into Google images. The black and white compass is the first image to come up!

Refer to my work on relating gematria to hole2 here:
http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/hole2.html

And if anyone has a better idea on what to do with the information I've gathered, please let me know.

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 		DanteIL or others,

Can we confirm where this tangents + Gematrian numbers theory started? I'd like to give credit where credit is due on this. I think it's going to turn out to be major new clue in the game.

- Wulfgirl

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Gus Raja
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Obes wrote:
I hate to spoil theories...

But since the Lost numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, and 23 are all under 36, and 42 isn't... and the Magic Square of the Sun is all the numbers between 1 and 36 in it... Obviously it's gonna have the first 5 Lost numbers in it.

It'd be fine if the numbers were all in one row, or column, or even a mirrored pattern, but they're just randomly placed and happen to lie in a group of 4 with 4 itself left alone at the bottom.

Obes.



Ok...excellent point. Toss out the "Magic Square of the Sun" idea.

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Wulfgirl wrote:
DanteIL or others,

Can we confirm where this tangents + Gematrian numbers theory started? I'd like to give credit where credit is due on this. I think it's going to turn out to be major new clue in the game.

- Wulfgirl


It wasn't me, so no credit here! I think that matt-the-pale, who posted above, is one of the people on the other board that I mentioned previously who was responsible for finding this.

I don't know what I think about the argument that the PMs were just being lazy. The fact that the compass so clearly contains 108 obviously means that it wasn't chosen at random. Beyond that, I dunno...

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 		my two cents
I am not so sure about the PMs being sloppy re: the compass lifted from the gematrian numbers site. If they did not intend the gematrian numbers to be found/implicated, that is sloppy to the point of ruining the game. Its like running a sci-fi ARG and using a jpeg of the Enterprise to represent your generic, non-Star Trek spaceship.

I am not sure about all the numbers/tangent stuff as that seems a little over the head of the clues so far, but we've seen spiritually and mysticism tied into Lost, TLE, the Dharma Iniative, etc. so I wouldn't be surprised if the gematrian numbers were relevant as at least some sort of generic indicator of ancient learning/mysticism. The link between gematrian numbers, ley lines, places of power/energy on the earth is too strong for it to be entirely without merit.
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Wulfgirl wrote:
DanteIL or others,

Can we confirm where this tangents + Gematrian numbers theory started? I'd like to give credit where credit is due on this. I think it's going to turn out to be major new clue in the game.

- Wulfgirl

I can confirm it started with me, nb, and ccs at TLEC blog.

See the comments for clues #45 and #46, or go to:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27395339&postID=114901605383304476&isPopup=true

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27395339&postID=114910660634922981&isPopup=true

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 		http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/owelles/ was updated.

They added a podcast - http://www.letyourcompassguideyou.com/usr/owelles/DJDan6-01.mp3

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