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colin
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Gus Raja wrote:
2.) Let me try and break this down further by eliminating most of the apparent tags that surround digits and characters:
I think this is all standard code for asp.net. i'm to lazy to make some compelling case for it. try reading this, http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/03/02/CuttingEdge/ the most significant thing i think you can get from it is 'porter' is a special case

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julian
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 		A couple of minor thoughts, after catching up with all that's happened and reading through these last six pages this morning:

First,

msl wrote:
On the timeline, there's a reference to

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Ceci Est Tout Faux, France, which translates to English as "This is very false." Perhaps the inscription found there - "yellow dog warns us all" - is an anagram?


"Ceci est tout faux" should be translated as "this is ALL false" not "This is very false". (tres=very, tout=all) Which definitely changes the meaning of the statement.

And second, I know there's been some debate on this forum in the last few weeks regarding the connection between the show and the ARG. (I believe they are definitely linked - clues to the ARG are in the show and vice versa.) I agree it's pretty unfair to the UK/Aus viewers/players that they have not yet "caught up" with the US viewers/players. (But, I guess the PMs just hope that we are all polite out here with spoilers, and they know that by September, everyone will be caught up with the show and the ARG will most likely be finished by then.) My minor point however, is that this recent reference to "yellow labs" seems to be yet another direct reference to the show - to Vincent the yellow lab who, as has been noted on many show forums, always seems to show up right before something bad happens.

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Obes
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 		What'd be funny would be if 'Vincent' isn't Vincent at all, but a different dog that is trained to respond to Walt, planted by the Others to help influence situations (leading them into traps).

I think this 'This is ALL false' statement is the clue between finding the website and finding the boards. The site is false, and entering the password gets you to the boards. People shouldn't try to apply it to other areas unless there is evidence to point you in that direction (updates after the site is found, or the area where the statement is found directly links to another area/site).

Obes. Twisted Evil

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HenryRequiem
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enigma_x wrote:
Okay, here's a few things:
2. The hidden field value was base 64 encoded, but I don't think it's of importance. Here's the decoded version (originally in one line, broken into multiple for better readability):
Code:
t<-1928337878;t<;l<i<0>;>;l<t<;l<i<1>;i<3>;i<5>;>;l<t<;l
<i<1>;>;l<t<p<l<Text;>;l<\e;>>;;>;>>;t<;l<i<0>;>;l<t<;l<i<5>
;i<9>;>;l<t<p<l<Text;>;l<\e;>>;;>;t<p<p<l<ValidationExpression;>
;l<(^([a-zA-Z0-9_\\-\\.]+)@((\\[[0-9]{1,3}\\.[0-9]{1,3}\\.[0-9]{1,3}\\.)
|(([a-zA-Z0-9\\-]+\\.)+))([a-zA-Z]{2,4}|[0-9]{1,3})(\\]?)$)|porter;>>;
>;;>;>>;>>;t<;l<i<1>;>;l<t<p<l<Text;>;l<Facts;>>;;>;>>;>>;>>;
l<mgbx:Go;>>š



I think you guys (and gals) have discovered everything you can from this code since this:
(^([a-zA-Z0-9_\\-\\.]+)@((\\[[0-9]{1,3}\\.[0-9]{1,3}\\.[0-9]{1,3}\\.)
|(([a-zA-Z0-9\\-]+\\.)+))([a-zA-Z]{2,4}|[0-9]{1,3})(\\]?)$)
(^([a-zA-Z0-9_\\-\\.]+)@((\\[[0-9]{1,3}\\.[0-9]{1,3}\\.[0-9]{1,3}\\.)
|(([a-zA-Z0-9\\-]+\\.)+))([a-zA-Z]{2,4}|[0-9]{1,3})(\\]?)$)|porter

is a general Javascript regular expression; they use it to validate that the text inputed into the textbox is a valid format for e-mail addresss OR "porter"; they encoded it in base64 so that we couldn't get to the "porter" password as easily


(moderator added a carriage return in the 2nd section to break up the wide line; also turning on BBCode -- catherwood)

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Char
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 		The ARG characters referencing an ARG only clears things up for me. What we see on the THF.org page are things that *everybody* is seeing, both in-game characters and us in the real world. The in-game guys (The ROT posters and DJ Dan, for example) are being informed at the same time as we are, except in their case they might know a little more.

I like this, because it shows that THF.org is more than a slideshow of information being spoon fed to us at regular intervals. In the game world, the information is being forcably revealed with the hanso foundation's own website used as the medium. The in-game guys are referencing 'walkthrough' sites not for the ARG itself, but for the hanso page, as a way of getting one another up to speed on what Persephone's been up to so far.

Gus Raja wrote:


Keep in mind it's "Yellow Lab," not "Yellow Dog." As someone brought up, perhaps it's a laboratory.


My guess would be that the "porter" people work in the "Yellow lab" of Verizon, and the chosen "front" for the site is an in-joke. This is complete speculation based on nothing at all, of course.

edit: Some clarification on the following code:
Quote:
<input type="hidden" name="__VIEWSTATE"


A previous poster already mentioned this, but I'll back him up/clarify.

The "viewstate" is a standard ASP.NET thing which, simply put, stores the current state of the HTML page so that the page can be restored with minimal effort.

I suck at explanations, but you can rest assured that the viewstate information is a standard part of ASP.NET, it's not going to be anything vaguely human readable, and even if you could decypher it fully, I can all but guarentee it's not going to give you any ARG information.

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 		I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet, but could it be possible that 'Manny' from the newsletter email is related to Manny Weissman from Bad Twin? Manny Weissman also had a pet lab, though his was chocolate.

I'd added this theory to the appropriate lostpedia pages.

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Char wrote:
The ARG characters referencing an ARG only clears things up for me.

[snip]

My guess would be that the "porter" people work in the "Yellow lab" of Verizon, and the chosen "front" for the site is an in-joke. This is complete speculation based on nothing at all, of course.


I definitely agree with the first point. Since this is happening in pseudo-real time, it makes sense that other people are noticing the strange Hanso stuff.

On the second thing: my speculation is that the Verizon cabal chose the 'yellow lab' theme as their front as an in-joke based on the awareness that the television show LOST (which, sigh, we're being forced to accept as in-game) is also making Hanso look bad. So... they picked up on the character of Vincent (my favorite!) and designed the whole site around his supposed superpowers. The tip-off for me, is the use of the names "Porter" and "Lloyd" in the timeline, as these are also Walt's family's names. Of course, this speculation would be stronger if we had seen evidence in their secret message board that they were even aware of Lost...

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danteIL wrote:
Char wrote:
The ARG characters referencing an ARG only clears things up for me.

[snip]

My guess would be that the "porter" people work in the "Yellow lab" of Verizon, and the chosen "front" for the site is an in-joke. This is complete speculation based on nothing at all, of course.


I definitely agree with the first point. Since this is happening in pseudo-real time, it makes sense that other people are noticing the strange Hanso stuff.

On the second thing: my speculation is that the Verizon cabal chose the 'yellow lab' theme as their front as an in-joke based on the awareness that the television show LOST (which, sigh, we're being forced to accept as in-game) is also making Hanso look bad. So... they picked up on the character of Vincent (my favorite!) and designed the whole site around his supposed superpowers. The tip-off for me, is the use of the names "Porter" and "Lloyd" in the timeline, as these are also Walt's family's names. Of course, this speculation would be stronger if we had seen evidence in their secret message board that they were even aware of Lost...


I like your thoughts on the choice of yellow lab. Plus the doctor's name is Vincent, so that makes your explanation the most likely. If the message boards drop a Lost reference we'll have our answer, or reference Hugh interview.
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Shawn David Struck
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I like your thoughts on the choice of yellow lab. Plus the doctor's name is Vincent, so that makes your explanation the most likely. If the message boards drop a Lost reference we'll have our answer, or reference Hugh interview.


Well, then:

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iobiSeeingYou,1:02am:
Ok, who beside me was just watching Jimmy Kimmel Live? Hugh McIntyre of the Hanso Foundation was a guest! Totally living up to that "Public Voice of Hanso" title.


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Shawn David Struck wrote:
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I like your thoughts on the choice of yellow lab. Plus the doctor's name is Vincent, so that makes your explanation the most likely. If the message boards drop a Lost reference we'll have our answer, or reference Hugh interview.


Well, then:

Quote:

iobiSeeingYou,1:02am:
Ok, who beside me was just watching Jimmy Kimmel Live? Hugh McIntyre of the Hanso Foundation was a guest! Totally living up to that "Public Voice of Hanso" title.


DURRRRRRR!! I forgot about that - read through their postings a little too fast I guess. So, I'm pretty convinced now that the Verizon employees are in the same position we are - suspicious about Hanso, confused about how the show Lost fits in.
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chief wrote:
the Verizon employees are in the same position we are - suspicious about Hanso, confused about how the show Lost fits in.


Sounds like a sound judgement but what does it mean? Will we maybe have a way to contact these employees or post on their message board? Is Verizon aware of the evil but not sharing it with their employees (they're finding out on their own)? Just wondering.

EDIT: Will persephone perhaps contact these guys and use them as a way to contact us? Is one of them persephone? I could go on all day Smile

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chief wrote:

Plus the doctor's name is Vincent...


Plus, the doctor's old lab's name is Wally, which is also short for Walter... So Vincent had a lab named Wally, and Walt has a lab named Vincent. Love it.

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 		Dogs
On the Lostexperience site, someone discovered that sharks were originally called 'sea dogs' which may tie the two together.

The dog's name in Bad Twin is Argus, suppossedly named after Odysseus's dog, the only one who recognized him upon his return, but as Fred_Bled discovered way back at the beginning, "Argus" was also the code name for one of the last nuclear testings, it was the highest one, aimed at knocking spacecraft out of orbit due to electromagnetic bursts in the atmosphere-more or less that was the gist of it that I got.

Also, is it just me or is there some funny pixelization on the banner Lab's shoulders and neck? I zoomed in as far as I could in Photoshop but I couldn't see anything. Plus the 4 circles strike again. ( 4 circles on the Oceanic logo, 4 circles on the Hanso site, 4 circles radiating off of the dog.)

I've also tried to desteg the photos but I haven't been able to get past the passwords yet. I know that there is an extra photo on top of Wally's face because it shows up when downloading on my dial up account. It's very clearly a rectangle that is offset and begins in the middle of the nose, then extends to the right and goes out of frame. You have to be looking for it, since it goes by fast.

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 		Re: Newsletter
ironpunk wrote:
There's a newsletter you can sign up for:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

I was checking into a hotel and a dapper porter escorts me to my room.
As we're going up the elevator in total silence I decide to ask him
his name. He replies, "Mandrake Wig" and immediately starts to explain
the odd name, his German ancestry, and his mother's preoccupation with
botany. He ends the story by saying, "my friends just call me Manny."

We continue talking about our lives, hopes, and dreams as I'm getting
settled in my room. When he's done I offer a generous tip but he
refuses saying, "Let me give you a tip, a single word that will enrich
your life, as it has mine." I accept.

The next day I go to the front desk to leave a tip for Manny. They tell
me no such person works there. I question everyone with no luck. I
think about what he told me and write down his name so I don't forget
it. As I write I see something in the letters. I rearrange a few and
create the words, "waking dream."

The word he gave me that day was - YOU.


Its a Lost Experience Slow News Day so I thought I'd offer some thoughts on the newsletter. Its pretty long just to get the password porter, so I have been thinking about what else could be significant in it.

If you run the name Mandrake Wig through an anagram generator, you realize just how odd it is. As the newsletter tells us, it is an anagram for "waking dream" - but lots of interesting anagrams come up. One thing I noticed is that you can get relatively normal names like "Mark Windage" so obviously "Mandrake Wig" was chosen for a reason. The reason could simply be that a weird name like "Mandrake Wig" was chosen to inspire thought, and therefore increase the chance of coming up with the "waking dream" anagram. But that isn't very interesting, now matter how likely, and since today is a slow day, lets consider other possible reasons.

Mandrake Wig explained his mother's interest in botany and therefore calls attention to the mandrake plant. The mandrake is a member of the nightshade family, so it is generally poisonous but yields many interesting compounds. One these compounds was used as a cosmetic in the middle ages to dilate women's pupils (symbolism: open your eyes). This use was know as "belladonna" for the beautiful women who used it, and overuse in this capacity was known to introduce effects such as hallucinations. Mandrake and its extracts have been known since ancient Greek times to be an anęsthesic.

Mandrake is also widely used in magic spells, in part because its roots branch in ways that look like human figures. It was thought that pulling a mandrake from the ground would cause it to cry out in pain, and that this cry would be injurious or even fatal to the person pulling. So, the mandrake implicates consciousness, science, and mysticism all at once.

Also, the newsletter prominently points out that Mandrake Wig claims German heritage. Our friend Mittelwerk has strong German ties:
1) Mittelwerk was the name of a German WWII production facility (primarily for V-2 rockets)
2) Mittelwerk's bio claims he is Austrian (not the same as German, I know, but they were linked during the WWII period)
Also, Man-drake Wig and Mit-tel-Werk roll of the tongue in a similar fashion.

Any thoughts along these lines or others re: the newsletter?

PS other anagrams include: "I gnawed mark" and "warn amid keg"
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 		Re: Dogs
laughingpaws wrote:
I've also tried to desteg the photos but I haven't been able to get past the passwords yet. I know that there is an extra photo on top of Wally's face because it shows up when downloading on my dial up account. It's very clearly a rectangle that is offset and begins in the middle of the nose, then extends to the right and goes out of frame. You have to be looking for it, since it goes by fast.



Wally's photo is clearly several photos overlapped. My suspicion since this is a site put together by the Verizon employees is that the photo is in part all of them. It's one of their lips, another employee's eye's and glasses, still another's chin and beard, another's hair, another's nose, another's neck, etc. Whoever put it together probably had pictures of all of them, or if not that, it's a simililar compilation of pictures but of another group of people such as Hanso execs or something else.

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