Return to Unfiction unforum
 a.r.g.b.b 
FAQ FAQ   Search Search 
 
Welcome!
New users, PLEASE read these forum guidelines. New posters, SEARCH before posting and read these rules before posting your killer new campaign. New players may also wish to peruse the ARG Player Tutorial.

All users must abide by the Terms of Service.
Website Restoration Project
This archiving project is a collaboration between Unfiction and Sean Stacey (SpaceBass), Brian Enigma (BrianEnigma), and Laura E. Hall (lehall) with
the Center for Immersive Arts.
Announcements
This is a static snapshot of the
Unfiction forums, as of
July 23, 2017.
This site is intended as an archive to chronicle the history of Alternate Reality Games.
 
The time now is Sun Nov 17, 2024 1:48 am
All times are UTC - 4 (DST in action)
View posts in this forum since last visit
View unanswered posts in this forum
Calendar
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: The Lost Experience » TLE: General, Updates, Spec, & Info
[LOCKED] Bad Twin: Book Discussion Thread
View previous topicView next topic
Page 3 of 4 [50 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Author Message
laughingpaws
Boot

Joined: 08 Jun 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Vienna, VA

Books Mentioned in Bad Twin

Iiliad

Argos, Odysseus's dog. Ithaca, Trojan War

Gilgamesh-

Babylonia- Great buddy story

Beowulf

England of the Druids, " felt the hero's courage in confronting the monster on whom people projected their deepest fears." (Maybe John Locke's book?)

Plato- Guide to Athens

Herman Melville

visited Encantados- the enchanted isles

A River Runs Through It

(I think that this might be Jack's book. Does Jack have a brother or is Clair his half sister?)

"Loving isn't saving. No One can save another person"

Dante's Inferno

Paradiso- total snooze, Inferno- gruesome way to kill off those that Dante didn't like, but Purgatorio, amazing and exciting piece of work...Purgatory second chance...The hard road. The only road that can lead to redemption. loose quote from Manny to Artisan

Trent's Last Case

Best detective story ever written. better than Sherlock Holmes, or Turn of the Screw

Reasoning is perfect, conclusion is wrong

"Turns out there are other inferences, other deductions that are equally correct. The second half of the book completely undoes the first half and puts the pieces back together again......Life is complicated. That's the point. It's not like numbers, you add them up, there's only one solution. Any number of possible outcomes can emerge from a single set of facts."- Manny to Artisan

Literary reference- "Eros and Thanatos, Love and Death, Another set of mirror images" Manny

Lord of the Flies

"Survival of the fittest versus survival of the cruelest. Sometimes winners can't afford to be decent" Manny to Artisan

(Sayid's book?)

John Locke

17th century Brit, amazingly advanced, Huge influence on Thomas Jefferson. He said"Highest goal of an intelligence is the careful and constant pursuit of true and solid happiness. The best use of our reasoning is in learning to be happy. - Manny

King Lear

"A play about old age. The choices and diminishments of age and the grace and wisdom, or lack of it, that old people bring to the few decisions they have left to make. Lear is old and failing but still the King. He feels control slipping away" Manny, loose quote at the end.

Confessions of St. Augustine

St. Augustine is a bad kid, he steals fruit from other's orchards, gets drunk on pilfered wine, fights and fornicates at every opportunity. All of that sets the stage for redemption. He's got the longest road to travel from bad to good. His journey is the most significant because it's the most difficult.

(Sawyer's book?)

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:48 pm
 View user's profile Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
laughingpaws
Boot

Joined: 08 Jun 2006
Posts: 18
Location: Vienna, VA

Turn the Screw Book

Major Season Finale Spoiler

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The key to turn off the system was placed behind a copy of "Turn the Scew". There was a pretty good close up of the book title and Kelvin or Desmond said the name of the title of the book at least twice. It must have some significance


I'm taking the book jacket at it's word that there is more in the book than meets the eye. Granted, this could also be a marketing scam.

I can't help but wonder if the book isn't a Codex of some kind. I've mentioned this on a couple of other sites but no one has agreed with me. It's perfectly possible that I just want to be able to justify buying it in the first place. I don't know but I can't believe that the book doesn't fit in here somewhere.

I still haven't figured out what the last 10 pages have to do with anything, since those are the ones that Jack threw into the fire to get Sawyer's attention. Has anyone else figured it out?

Juls

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:57 pm
 View user's profile Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
 Back to top 
SpiralBoundBook
Veteran

Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 115
Location: Oahu

Hello- impressive list- just some things:
You say Sally Handler is Shannon from the show's stepmom- her stepmom's name is Sabrina Carlyle. (Boone's mother) Does it say in the book that they are the same person?
Also, Spoiler, Season 2 Finale
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the key to turn off the generator is not hidden behind turn of the screw- it is hidden inside of Our Mutual Friend by Charles Dickens.
Season 2, Episode 3 spoiler
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The Orientation film is hidden behind Turn of the Screw.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:07 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Gus Raja
Decorated


Joined: 17 May 2006
Posts: 276
Location: Portland, OR

[quote="Misroi"]One other important thing to note is that Troup goes to some length talking about purgatory. Everything from Dante's Purgatorio to a long discussion about what if this world is purgatory? Not too surprising, especially since the author's name anagrams to "purgatory." Wish I could claim credit for figuring that on my own, but I found it under a book review elsewhere on the Web.


This is probably nothing, but since "Gary Troup" is an anagram for "purgatory," and since in this passage the word "purgatorio" stands out, I thought I'd try it as an anagram instead. By using the "io" instead of the "y," the result becomes "ratio group." I can't make anything of this except I thought it was interesting considering how equations are often mentioned.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:20 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Gus Raja
Decorated


Joined: 17 May 2006
Posts: 276
Location: Portland, OR

In the last two posts of this thread aside from mine, you both mention the same spoiler. But just to clarify, is the correct phrase...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"turn of the screw"

or

"Turn the Scew"


PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:49 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
SpiralBoundBook
Veteran

Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 115
Location: Oahu

Spoiler, Season 2 episode 3 (which i'm pretty sure has shown everywhere by this point...)
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the book is Turn of the Screw, not Turn the Screw. The movie The Others was loosely based on it. It was written by Henry James and there was some mild show speculation about it, but mostly people just concluded it was a cute little reference to The Others and a poke at the "EVERYONE IS DEAD!!" theories still floating around at that point.
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Turn_of_the_Screw.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:58 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Char
Boot

Joined: 09 May 2006
Posts: 32

Just to chip in my opinion, I don't think the book is a very strong reference to the Lost or Lost ARG at all. I mean, in the game world/show world, Bad Twin is just fiction. He uses real people, but who's to say how their real actions differ from the book?

I guess I'm a bit irked because I keep seeing things like a bio of Mittelwerk which states "He worries Arthur Widmore". We don't actually know that he does, or that Widmore even has an opinion on Mittelwerk. In the Lost world, they are just two real people that Troup wrote a story around.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:36 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Hank Scorpio
Decorated

Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 170

I think the way Hanso is coming out so strongly against the book and the show in the game leads me to believe that theyre guilty and trying to defend themselves. I mean whether or not the book and show are in game or not, It's obvious the foundation is involved in super shady business and is guilty of a lot of things.

I do know though that this game has been in the works since season one so the game was around while the book was being written, even though it hadnt started yet and it certainly couldve influenced the book.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:11 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Char
Boot

Joined: 09 May 2006
Posts: 32

I hate to sound cynical, but I honestly believe that "Don't believe Bad Twin" is all advertising to sell the book. The book doesn't actually mention Hanso in anything more than a couple of namedrops.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:24 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
theShaggy
Unfettered

Joined: 17 Sep 2005
Posts: 417
Location: Toronto, Ontario

It's advertising in the same way that the ARG is advertising, I think.

Also, while the book doesn't seem to have more than a bashing of Widmore, the interview videos (did we ever find parts 7-9?) clearly show that there is a bit more tension between Troup and the Hansoites than may be comfortable for either of them.

Having read the book, I didn't see much, but maybe there's more in it that will be illuminated as that particular subplot is developped. Even though Troup is dead.
_________________
The Shaggy?
Playing nothing.
Being a student. Stupid education.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:15 pm
 View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
 ICQ Number 
 Back to top 
Gus Raja
Decorated


Joined: 17 May 2006
Posts: 276
Location: Portland, OR

theShaggy wrote:
Even though Troup is dead.


Actually, are we even sure he's dead. He's presumed dead, but so are all the Losties. It's at least possible that he's one of the extras on the island, and has just kept to himself. Or am I overlooking something that's confirmed his death?

It also makes me wonder if Gary was a member of the "tailsies" group and somehow figured out that there were Dharma scientists on the island. I say that because his "love interest" Cindy (episode 2x07 spoiler)
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
was taken early on by "the others." But what if she was taken for a reason like perhaps Gary wanted her?


PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:16 am
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
Yugge
Boot

Joined: 04 Jun 2006
Posts: 39

I read somewhere that gary troup was the man who got sucked into the engine in ep 1.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:53 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
catherwood
I Have 100 Cats and Smell of Wee

Joined: 25 Sep 2002
Posts: 4109
Location: Silicon Valley, CA

Yugge wrote:
I read somewhere that gary troup was the man who got sucked into the engine in ep 1.

That information was never revealed on the television show, at least not yet. (I don't think we on the mainline could know that, one way or the other.) I wish I knew where this rumor got started, but I wonder if it wasn't in a podcast and the guys were just having fun with the fans.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:07 pm
 View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
 Back to top 
danteIL
Unfictologist


Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 1990

catherwood wrote:
Yugge wrote:
I read somewhere that gary troup was the man who got sucked into the engine in ep 1.

That information was never revealed on the television show, at least not yet. (I don't think we on the mainline could know that, one way or the other.) I wish I knew where this rumor got started, but I wonder if it wasn't in a podcast and the guys were just having fun with the fans.


While it's true that this information was never discussed on the show, in this article, which is mentioned in the [PRESS] thread, an ABC exec makes the connection explicit. Here's the quote from the article:

Quote:
"Bad Twin" represents a hybrid between content and marketing, said Michael Benson, the senior vice president of marketing at ABC.

"We wanted the audience to believe this was real," he said of "Lost," adding that Troup can be seen being sucked into an airplane engine in the first episode.


IMO, this guy is just trying to add to the hype and mystery of it all, so I don't know if this should be taken as the 'truth' in-game...

PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:21 pm
 View user's profile
 Back to top 
matt_the_pale
Decorated


Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 215

Since "Lost," in the ARG, is a fictional representation of what happened to the survivors of Flight 815, Gary Troup may very well still be alive with other survivors from Flight 815. Or they could all be dead. Who knows for sure? The only places we should trust the show are where it overlaps with the ARG:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Gary Troup, Bad Twin, Widmore Corporation, Marvin Candle and the Orientation Videos. And even then, I wouldn't trust everything the show tells us about those things. However, I feel certain that the Orientation Videos from the Swan and Pearl can be trusted, because more than likely they actually exist in the ARG (because of Alvar Hanso's picture).


PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:40 pm
 View user's profile Visit poster's website AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
 Back to top 
Display posts from previous:   Sort by:   
Page 3 of 4 [50 Posts]   Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
View previous topicView next topic
 Forum index » Archive » Archive: The Lost Experience » TLE: General, Updates, Spec, & Info
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
You cannot post calendar events in this forum



Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group