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grumpyboy
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common theme in the verses: hiram/huram (put through weird logic in my head) next page: http://www.mystes.com/hiramabif.html

hidden text on the page: initiatesone (I've emailed initiatesoneSPLATmystes.com, no reply yet)

enaxor noticed the image name is m19.jpg, and some pages are named m1-5.html at mythosphere.org. tried m1-25.jpg, yielded nothing so i stopped Razz

the image is King Solomon's Temple, source here: http://www.usm.maine.edu/~maps/exhibit1/theme3.html

tried some obvious names for a next page and got nothing...


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grumpyboy wrote:
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common theme in the verses: hiram/huram (put through weird logic in my head) next page: http://www.mystes.com/hiramabif.html


not so wierd I was JUST working on that angle too Rolling Eyes Laughing
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 		Speculation
This is just speculation, but also everything that has been mentioned so far sounds like it's a ritual to an initiate. First the reference to the Greek Eleusis, on to the mention of Solomon's temple, which is popularly made reference to by the Freemasons, each step along the way attaching itself to those rituals-- where one becomes illuminated by its secrets.
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 		Grumpy we have a question about how you got to that particular page...
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googling Hiram of Tyre pulls up: http://freemasonrywatch.org/trinity.html as one of the pages, but it isn't the "top" of the search list.
"The broken column denotes the untimely death of our Grand Master Hiram Abiff" just wondering how you got 'hiramabif' out of that?

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 		He probably found it on Wikipedia. Notice the last section...
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Hiram I is sometimes identified with Hiram Abif, revered by the Freemasons for his part in the construction of Solomon's Temple.

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 		I can't speak for him but when I goggled .... a couple of things 'caught my eye'....
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The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasonry, and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus.... guess it was the mention of 'key' and 'scrolls'.... so looked a couple down from that and saw...

The Hiram Abif legend in Freemasonry: http://www.bessel.org/hiramab.htm

had tried Hiram and Abif then checked back here to see, frankly to not much surprise, that GB had beat me to it Wink

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Grumpy we have a question about how you got to that particular page...

How? I can't recall exactly but it was something in wiki (not that exact article Citizen Kane quoted though) that sparked it for me. (that's why I put the "weird logic" part in my spoiler) I didn't even see the freemasonry connection until enaxor pointed it out to me Razz

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 		Just to let everyone know, I emailed Dale to catch him up on all that we've found.

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 		Shel
Shel posted this to his blog this evening-- with a little nod to the Bab 5 people out there:

Shel wrote:
The devil is a dark hunter. He preys on fear, loathing, hate injustice, brutality, hunger and disease. His lies are his only defense and his only weapon. The truth and the light can set you free-- and with them bound to your soul you can slay the beast that pursues you. We light a candle to see all things before us-- the light penetrates the darkness-- and darkness can never penetrate the light.

Some stand in the grey area waiting to choose, balancing their thoughts, wishes, dreams and needs that bring them to the darkness against the warmth of the truth- the light of the candles that slay the darkness.

Christ, Plato and Hermes Trismegistus were representative of movements of thought that almost single-handedly established the basis for spiritual life in the Western world. These thoughts formed in the pre and early Christian times were philosophic views which, when merging at the start of the Christian era in Egypt meant a new culmination in the field of spiritual progress. Such divergent yet insightful views on the ways of the world, spirituality and man itself converge in our subconscious to form us. We make choices and see or deny our gods.

It is said that the philosophies symbolize the heartbeat of hidden knowledge, hidden wistom and explain the very special relationship that exists among the universe, man and God. Trismegistus said "Man, O Asclepius, is a great miracle." Christ said "Do you not know that you are a temple of God and the Spirit of God dwells in you?"

Trismegistus' philosophy (Hermetic philosophy to be more exact) puts man as a microcosm to the macrocosm in a bond with the Creator of life, defined in all religions worldwide based on their choice of god(s).

Plato queried whether there was a god or just divine men...

One must know their power to create from within-- that they can CREATE this power, to use it to bring light.

I am grey. I stand between the darkness and the light, seeking more light.

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Max Steele
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 		Big congrats to the solves!

I'm taking this to mean the email address is the "end" to that little puzzle trail. I sent an email to it saying:
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I have found my way to your address and await further information.


Let's see if I get a reply...

EDIT:

Well, maybe it's not an email.

I blew up the picture there, and was trying to make out the Latin words. Here is what I think the letters are:

Quote:
Montei Domini Totiviq Sacre Temple Exempeum Ex Antique Descriptionieve A Bener Aeia Montano Obiervatie

Ad Apparaeve Lacre Initevctionim


It's hard to make out those letters.

I think this might be a drawing of the Temple of Jerusalem:

http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/gatt/temple/index.asp?C=temple

EDIT:

I found the origin of that picture!

http://www.usm.maine.edu/~maps/exhibit1/12large.jpg

This is:
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This imaginary view of King Solomon's Temple appeared in the "Polyglot Bible," the text of which was in four languages: Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, and Latin. Based on vague Biblical descriptions [1 Kings 6,7; 2 Chron. 3,4; Ezekiel 41], the structure is portrayed as rectangular in shape with a series of courtyards and an innermost Temple proper. Overall, the depiction is more grandiose than the Bible suggests. The artist follows the custom of his time, portraying the architecture in a familiar Italian Renaissance style.


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12. BENEDICTUS ARIAS MONTANUS (BENITO ARIAS MONTANO)
Spanish, 1527-1598
MONTIS DOMINI TOTIVSQ. SACRI TEMPLI EXEMPLUM . . .
From: Biblia Sacra, Hebraice, Chaldaice, Graece, & Latine . . .
Antwerp, 1572
Engraving, 37.3 x 47.4 cm
Osher Collection


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Max Steele wrote:
I think this might be a drawing of the Temple of Jerusalem:
http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/gatt/temple/index.asp?C=temple
EDIT:
I found the origin of that picture!
http://www.usm.maine.edu/~maps/exhibit1/12large.jpg


Trout Grumpy already mentioned this...

I think it is just a matter of figuring out where it leads next...

*edit*

Food for thought:
Mystery Religion

And
Popular Culture as Mystery Cult (granted this article is about Xena... hovever it does have some words I am looking for...)
{emphasis mine}
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I would suggest that mediated popular culture has made possible, in a way that was not before, the reemergence of something very close to the classical Greek and Roman mysteries: that is, ceremonial cults that depend on the adherence to certain prescribed, and generally secret, rituals. Such rituals may be performed by itinerant individuals, or supervised by a class of professional clergy attached to a sanctuary. More often, however, they assume the form of a lay community or association, a club of ordinary people engaged in extraordinary rituals, known in Classical and Hellenistic Greece as the thiasos.5 Along with the thiasos as a particular notion of community, I will also refer to a specifically classical notion of a sacred space allocated for the benefit of the cult, the temenos. For every association has its spaces (sanctuaries, temples, city precincts, groves) in which it congregates and performs its acts of devotion.
....

5 The thiasos, or koinon (common), has its counterpart in the Roman collegia or sodalitates.


E-mails have gone out...

*edit #2*

And more:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Mystes/id/134555
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Mystes (Greek) [from muo to close the mouth]

Plural mystai. An initiate to the first degrees of the Mysteries; the next higher rank being that of the epoptes (seer); and the highest function being that of the hierophantes (teacher or communicator). With the Pythagoreans the neophyte or mystes guarded silence as to what he had learned, and was authorized and empowered to speak or teach only when his mouth had been opened because of attaining the rank of epoptes.

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 		Re: mystes
MageSteff wrote:

Plural mystai. An initiate to the first degrees of the Mysteries; the next higher rank being that of the epoptes (seer)


Hee!

http://www.epoptes.com/

Probably unrelated, eh?
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MageSteff wrote:
Max Steele wrote:
I think this might be a drawing of the Temple of Jerusalem:
http://www.mhs.ox.ac.uk/gatt/temple/index.asp?C=temple
EDIT:
I found the origin of that picture!
http://www.usm.maine.edu/~maps/exhibit1/12large.jpg


Trout Grumpy already mentioned this...


Bah! The code text strikes! Guess I didn't roll-over on that message.

Well, it was still fun tracking down the image. Smile

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sixsidedsquare
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 		I got some Dale mail after sending him a huge email updating him of our mystes progress:

Dale wrote:
Six [Just what I need, another instance of "six" in my life Wink ]

You weren't kidding when you said epic email, were you? I think I
started reading this three days ago.

I'm sorry if I sound a bit flippant, it's just good to actually laugh
again, even if it is just for a minute. I haven't been laughing too
much lately. It's funny in a terribly sad kind of way, you know, that
I finally achieved what I've been dreaming of and working towards for
quite some time, actually publishing a piece of my fiction, and I
honestly have been to busy and pre-occupied to even enjoy it. For some
reason I've been in a good a fairly stable mood today though, so I'm
going to savor it while I can.

Thanks for the heads-up and the run down and what you've found. A few
other people have tipped me off to the www.mystes.com website. Even
after your explanation, I have no idea how anyone managed to "see"
that code in the scrambled letters, but I do appreciate you clueing me
in. I honestly almost thought it was a joke of some kind when I first
looked at that site. I've never heard of a secret group or whatever
they are advertising themselves like that, except for those nuts that
you see in the small ads in the back of the TV Guide sometimes, though
I can't recall their name. But try as I might, I found myself unable
to stop thinking about the strange "M" symbol on the page. It just
seems so familiar to me, although I can't say why. It's that symbol
alone that has led me to think there is indeed something more to
this "Mystes" site, something oddly related to everything else going
on here.

At least it's replaced that damn 3-0-7 symbol in my everyday thoughts.
That was a joke, I told you I was in a good mood.

Dale


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 		Looking at the 'M' symbol more, there is an obvious pentagram in the letter.

Looking that up leads to an interesting description:

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Solomon's Seal.

The pentagram, called Solomon's seal, is also used as a talisman, and Henry thinks that the Hindus derived it from the Semites ("Magic dans l'Inde Antique," p. 93, Paris, 1904), although the name by no means proves the Jewish or Semitic origin of the sign. The Hindus likewise employed the hexagram as a means of protection, and as such it is mentioned in the earliest source, quoted above. In the synagogues, perhaps, it took the place of the mezuzah, and the name "shield of David" may have been given it in virtue of its protective powers. The hexagram may have been employed originally also as an architectural ornament on synagogues, as it is, for example, on the cathedrals of Brandenburg and Stendal, and on the Marktkirche at Hanover. A pentacle in this form, , is found on the ancient synagogue at Tell Hum. Charles IV. prescribed for the Jews of Prague, in 1354, a red flag with both David's shield and Solomon's seal, while the red flag with which the Jews met King Matthias of Hungary in the fifteenth century showed two pentacles with two golden stars (Schwandtner, "Scriptores Rerum Hungaricarum," ii. 148). The pentacle, therefore, may also have been used among the Jews. It occurs in a manuscript as early as the year 1073 (facsimile in M. Friedmann, "Seder Eliyahu Rabbah we-Seder Eliyahu Zuṭa," Vienna, 1901).


So yet another connection to Solomon.

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