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[LOCKED] Crack the Code Reality Game SABOTAGE
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Ehsan
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Very nice work, kona, night, and cather

The bottom part matches the previous thing I worked on.. but I'm not sure if that's what it should say after all... This is not a test or whatever you think it is?

TINAT is the new TINAG!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:40 pm
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konamouse
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Cipher Wheels, huh?
Googling so far I've only found a reference to the Lorenz Cipher.

I can't find anything about a Knight Spencer code anywhere. Yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:57 pm
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Knight Spencer

The tiddly-bits I found with Google were sparse, and often inside a .pdf file -- i didn't open any, but only looked at pages which Google allowed me to view as HTML, so there might be more tiddly-bits.

(from a .pdf) Mr Knight Spencer (a Captain in the London Volunteers) was awarded a silver medal in 1809 for his invention of the forerunner of the ordinary hand semaphore...

The silver medal of the society was this session voted to Mr. Knight Spencer, of Bromley-Lodge, near Bow, for an anthropo-telegraph, or mode of communication in the day and night by discs," excerpt from Transactions of the Society. . ., p. 153-63, letter dated October 26, 1808.

Note the latter, in which the decision to award Spencer with a medal was made in late 1808, and therefore the code could not have been created in 1809.

And the discs are probably not code wheels in the sense that first comes to mind, if this was a forerunner of semaphore.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:06 pm
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Night565
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I think the next hint saying we can use the name to help us solve the next puzzle is related more to using "knight" as a key or a cipher, rather than making use of Spencer's actual code. But you all prolly figured that out already. I prolly won't start working on this next clue right away, need to get some 'real' work done. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:13 pm
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konamouse
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This code-creator's first name will help you decipher the second clue. Use your keys to find your way.

806989576856 = 9

When finished, use the rings and these discs sent over from Mission Intelligence to decipher the code below.

[see attached pictures of the code wheels]


9*131344*53 5*131344*4*3 4*131344335


Your next clue is located at
www.realSabotage.com/tminusk/splust.php

(For example, www.realSabotage.com/reality/tv.php)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:24 pm
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Mystatude
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New Code

Where did you guys find these "blueprints"...on my second code I did not get those....

Anyways, Im lost on this second clue. Maybe some sleep wil help. I dont get the whole numbers thing.

The only thing I got from this so far is "using your keys to help" maybe have something to do with computer keys.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:27 am
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Ehsan
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As mystatude said above, and cather just mentioned in chat, I decided to try the keyboard as the keys... and I got something out of it

Might be a longshot...
This code-creator's first name will help you decipher the second clue.

KNIGHT
806989576856 = 9

80 69 89 57 68 56

The K is under the number 8 on the keyboard so 80 = K (maybe 810, see below)

69 = 6 and 6+3, so 3 keys under the 6 is N

89 = 8 +1 so 1 key under the 8 is I

The whole list is:
80 -> (8 10?) 8 +2 -> K
69 -> 6 +3 ->N
89 -> 8 +1 -> I
57 -> 5 +2 -> G
68 -> 6 +2 -> H
56 -> 5 +1 -> T

And finally, +3+1+2+2+1 = 9

Didn't figure out what to do with yet

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:41 pm
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Ehsan
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Using the above code,

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the values for T, S, and K are 6, 4, and 0

T minus K = 6 - 0 = 6
S plus T = 4 + 6 = 10

tried 6 but it didn't work.. but eventually found

http://www.realsabotage.com/seven/eleven.php

looks like T = 7? or for some reason we add 1 to each...


PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:03 pm
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Ehsan
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Next one (Clue 3)

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

353490256745895890697836 9348936 13368935
Using the keyboard code from above, it translates to

deoxyribonucleic acid

(The " 9" should have been "91" for L, transcription error I guess)

http://www.realsabotage.com/deoxyribonucleic/acid.php

also 13 = 56 57 = 36 is A=T G=C


PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:10 pm
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Ehsan
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Clue 4

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Substitution (using a<->t and g<->c as a starting point) gives:
You are standing into danger.

Which seems to be a nautical flag.. tried marine flag, sailing flag, etc...

http://www.realsabotage.com/maritime/flag.php


Clue 5

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Guessing that the color is "brown" from 25135 and because that's the only color I can see in the discs...


PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:37 pm
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Rogi Ocnorb
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"GRAY" appears on one of the disks.
Any ideas on how we deal with the "1" digit?
Does the first inner disc, above have both a 1 and a 7 or is it two 7's?
Two 1's?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:16 pm
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Mystatude
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Black also appears across the disks...
I dont know...
The third and fourth clues?
oh boy...im going to let this one sit for a bit.

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Night565
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I'm pretty sure that the hint of clue 5 to make use of clue 3 and 4 in combination with the cypher wheels means that we should transpose the letters of the cypherdiscs using the a=t transposition.

I'm not sure about all of the letters, but I've used the letters that Ehsan transposed in clue 4 to garner these results:

bcvtni = ?g?aeo
uzmabh = s??t??
fkotqx = ??ia??
dwspjo = r?u??i
grysla = cdluyt

As you can see, there's quite a few letters missing. There are a total of 12 letters without transposition, meaning 6 pairs.

From the one wheel whose letters are all there, I can't make any actual words myself. Maybe if someone wants to complete the transposition? I can't seem to figure out the transposition pattern myself, if there is one.

Here are the thus-far transposed letters:
a=t
c=g
d=r
e=n
g=c
i=o
l=y
n=e
o=i
r=d
s=u
t=a
u=s
y=l
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catherwood
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Please allow me to catch up. Going back several steps to /knight/spencer.php (Clue 2) and working thru the solution, Mystatude's "hint" to use the keys on a keyboard was a breakthru. (And not at all suspicious?)

Using the Standard AMERICAN QWERTY keyboard layout, and the numbers row as the top, all letters are located \diagonally\ below a number and an offset of 1, 2, or 3 keys down.
letter, key, \down\, digit.sum, concat.pairs (columns below)
Code:
Q   1   1   2    12
A   1   2   3    13
Z   1   3   4    14
W   2   1   3    23
S   2   2   4    24
X   2   3   5    25
E   3   1   4    34
D   3   2   5    35
C   3   3   6    36
R   4   1   5    45
F   4   2   6    46
V   4   3   7    47
T   5   1   6    56
G   5   2   7    57
B   5   3   8    58
Y   6   1   7    67
H   6   2   8    68
N   6   3   9    69
U   7   1   8    78
J   7   2   9    79
M   7   3   10   70
I   8   1   9    89
K   8   2   10   80
O   9   1   10   90
L   9   2   1    91
P   0   1   1    01


using just the "sum(mod10)" column values:
Code:
A=3
B=8
C=6
D=5
E=4
F=6
G=7
H=8
I=9
J=9
K=0
L=1
M=0
N=9
O=0
P=1
Q=2
R=5
S=4
T=6
U=8
V=7
W=3
X=5
Y=7
Z=4


Therefore T=6, S=4, K=0, and the solution *should* be
T minus K = 6-0 = six
S plus T = 4+6 = ten
Instead, the solution of /seven/eleven.php acts as if T=7?

Let's go back for confirmation using the initial clue, where 806989576856 = 9 = KNIGHT.
Using the concatenated digit pairs from above, Ehsan figured:
Code:
K=80 ->0?
N=69 -> 9-6= 3
I=89 -> 9-8= 1
G=57 -> 7-5= 2
H=68 -> 8-6= 2
T=56 -> 6-5= 1
        sum=9
using the difference between the digits in each pair. K could be either 8-0 or 8-10, but either way messes up the sum.

I want to completely understand this clue, either to tell the puzzle-setter where something might have gone wrong, or to use the code to decipher the rest of the numbers on this clue page.

p.s., the first chart is confirmed with Clue 2, where they state
13 = 56 and 57 = 36
because
A = T and G = C
in the next step's substitution code.

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catherwood
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clue 5 short-circuited

yes, i "solved" clue 5, or rather, i discovered the next URL. I do hope we can backsolve this and explain all of the codes. After spinning wheels and aligning them with BROWN, i stepped back.
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Instead, I looked at the example for how the answer should look, /bird/red.php, but no one says it that way, we say "red bird", which might have been clued as "cardinal".

So i ran thru the colors in my mind, thinking "color thing", and remembered the silly blueprint (which we should not have seen, and point of fact, it is one word, it is not "a print which is blue").

So proceed to /print/ and see that we've reached the end... or have we?

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