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[Update] The Ooze Zone- 16th June 2006 - Dolor Sit Amet
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 		[Update] The Ooze Zone- 16th June 2006 - Dolor Sit Amet
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There are some things about Earth that I just don't understand. Take greeking - the gibberish you use as filler text in mocked-up documents. For a start, it's usually Latin: lorem ipsum, etc... But even then, it makes no sense whatsoever. Not content with using a dead language, you garble it and drain it of all meaning.

The reason this occurs to me today is that I've just been over to the Crypto department for a nose around. Talking to those guys can mess with your head.

I worked on a couple of projects with Camden Porta and Neville Clark before this whole CRT thing, so I dropped by to see if I could find out anything about that phone call from Hesh.

Nev is a very, very smart bloke, but brevity isn't his strong point.

"Caine! Good to see you - well I say 'see', but not just to see you, to talk to you, and hear from you, of course, that will be good too, if you want to talk and have any good news. Not bad news - that wouldn't be good, by definition. Yes."

He takes a bit of getting used to.

I fetched him a coffee (decaf) from the machine and we sat on a bench outside the window to have a catchup.

I didn't really have an interrogation strategy. I wasn't sure how I'd ever ask about a call someone took two years ago, but there was no harm in making contact and renewing our acquaintance. Today would be all about small-talk.

Nev seemed keen to hear about the search for the Cube on Earth, and I gave him the official line, which he'd clearly heard before.

That led me to casually remark how different Crypto must have been before the Cube theft and all the departmental musical chairs caused by the CRT. Who was working in Crypto back then anyway? Nev rolled his eyes.

"Ah... simple days then, simple pleasures. Not that work is ever pleasure, even if you actually enjoy it, assuming it's defined in opposition to 'business': business or pleasure? Mutually exclusive."

"Things not so simple these days, then?"

"I don't know... even if knowledge could ever be empirically certain, which it can't be, I'm not even half-sure of what I'm doing. Well, I know what I'm doing, I am competent, but I don't know what I'm working on. Crypto is always strictly need-to-know and I'm used to that - no questions asked, non-disclosure, signing my life away on confidentiality agreements - not actually my life - but, come to think of it, quite possibly - so I don't risk asking questions or poking around or even speculating, which this isn't - this is just a discussion of how I don't speculate - let's get that clear."

"Absolutely."

"But I'm getting more and more things to not speculate about and I suspect that a few other people are not speculating just as much - in so far as I can suspect anything without speculation, and absolutely without discussion with my colleagues. Sometimes the lack of speculation is deafening - metaphorically speaking, of course, not literally, I wouldn't want to mislead you. But I've probably said too much already. Not a word, Caine, understand?"

"..."

Camden knocked on the window and summoned Nev back inside, waving a key. Nev said goodbye and scuttled off.

So that left me sitting on a bench with a head full of greeking, trying to work out if I'd just been told something or nothing at all. Writing it down hasn't made it any clearer.

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 		So... there doing some uber-sekrit projects eh? Big news, what a waste of a post.
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 		"Waste of a post"? It's a story you philistine, just because things get revealed gradually doesn't make it a "waste". Yeesh.

ADD much?

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 		<TIAG> Not really. Probably a little nudge that the non clues in the crypto riddles are just greeking, and that the crypto department is getting some strange projects regularly, ie. might be worth looking into. </TIAG>

<TINAG> I wonder what Nev is speculating about not speculating about? </TINAG>


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 		Sounds like someone's been reading too much GEB lately.
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 		Nev seems to be saying that there's something fishy going on and that the whole department are aware of it, just unable to talk about it.


Well, that's the gospel according to me and two glasses of fizzy pseudo-champagne.
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 		Just for info, the post is titled "Dolor sit amet" which appears to be the next piece of text after lorem ipsum when you greek (filler text). (Not sure if I used greek correctly there!)

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 		Maybe Caine hasn't caught on that the "standard" Lorem Ipsum does have a source and a relative meaning Razz

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 		You're right, I'm sure he just means in context to what's being stated.
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 		aha - okay, I actually went to Caine's page and read the entry (Razz), and I believe Caine's problem was that he missed the conversation-within-a-conversation.

Neville's emphasized speech:

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business or pleasure?

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what I'm doing

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life


That could be interpreted in several ways...I'll email him.

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 		So mum's the word among the Crypties, and Nev's nudge-nudging at the nothing there's much ado about. Saying he keeps his eyes down, but knows that summat's on the up-and-up. Work's been a comparative drag sine the pre-Cube days, and now Mr. Low-Access is taking non-peeks at the nothing that's not there.

Decaf... Laughing

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 		Re: [Update] The Ooze Zone- 16th June 2006 - Dolor Sit Amet
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"But I'm getting more and more things to not speculate about and I suspect that a few other people are not speculating just as much - in so far as I can suspect anything without speculation, and absolutely without discussion with my colleagues. Sometimes the lack of speculation is deafening - metaphorically speaking, of course, not literally, I wouldn't want to mislead you. But I've probably said too much already. Not a word, Caine, understand?"


Did anyone else read this as an oblique joke about the UF forums? Smile

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 		Re: [Update] The Ooze Zone- 16th June 2006 - Dolor Sit Amet
e_nygma wrote:
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"But I'm getting more and more things to not speculate about and I suspect that a few other people are not speculating just as much - in so far as I can suspect anything without speculation, and absolutely without discussion with my colleagues. Sometimes the lack of speculation is deafening - metaphorically speaking, of course, not literally, I wouldn't want to mislead you. But I've probably said too much already. Not a word, Caine, understand?"


Did anyone else read this as an oblique joke about the UF forums? Smile


I think if they referred to us half so often as we suspect they do, they'd have to be going mad with boredom at all the free time they'd have. Wink

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 		Code?
I think Cassandra might be on the right track with the whole coversation-within-a-conversation thing. This Nev guy is a true crypto geek, so maybe he actually worked code into his conversation with Caine on the fly. I'm not all that good with Crypto myself, has anyone looked at this from a "There might be a code in his words" point of view?

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 		[SPEC]

So, Nev seems to be suggesting that all is not what it seems in the Crypto department, which means that V's call was probably to someone within the department, not just to someone fielding the call in a random location. Another 3P agent? If so, what is their role? Why are or were the based in the cryptography department? What would V be wanting to discuss with this person (or alert them to, or receive instructions from) on the day after the Cube was stolen?

Well, given that their team was not apparently successful in acquiring the Cube, could this be V reporting that fact back to his superior? Without any further information, that would seem the most likely explanation... I can't extrapolate anything else from the fact that it's the Crypto dept ([TIAG] beyond a reason to give us some neat cryptographic puzzles to overcome [/TIAG])...

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