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[REF] Definite Connections b/t TLE & Lost TV (SPOILERS)
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 		[REF] Definite Connections b/t TLE & Lost TV (SPOILERS)
We've been having an interesting discussion on the other half of the message board about how to view the real world of the ARG and its relationship to the fictional world of Lost.
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15452
The key point is that the world of Hanso and the ARG/TLE is real and Lost is fiction based on that reality - so connections can logically go TLE->Lost, but not so much Lost->TLE. Recognizing this "one way street" is important when coming up with overall theories. For example, until recently the Black Rock was a fictional ship on a fictional TV show. Now in TLE it appears that a "real" Black Rock was lost at sea, and furthermore that it was owned by Magnus Hanso. The obvious question is: what is the relationship of the real Black Rock to the Black Rock on Lost? The Lost writers must have known about the real Black Rock and its connection to Magnus Hanso...but how much do they know? Did the writers KNOW the real Black Rock was a slave ship, or was that artistic license on the show?

The issue really is defining the boundaries of our "alternate reality." I think this is worth pursuing because it will keep speculation on track...otherwise every time a Korean guy is mentioned, someone will say "OMG, it's Jin!"

So what has been established as existing in TLE that also is on the show? Post replies and I'll keep this list updated.

1. DHARMA - On Kimmel show Hugh said it was an initiative of Hanso that they stopped funding in 1987. Persephone's MHA hack revealed the acronym Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications.

2. DHARMA Shark - DJ Dan's webpage. Persephone IGA Hack.

3. Black Rock - Rachel Blake's "Stop Hanso" blog (Copenhagen Post 02).

4. Certain Persephone clues- Stuff like Persephone using certain phrases that appear on the show as clues can be explained by the fact that the fictional show airs in the real world of the game, and as the show is Hanso related Persephone would of course tie her clues in to the show because of the large audience she could expose to the truth about Hanso.

Shout-out to two contributors to the other thread:
matt_the_pale wrote:
SpiralBoundBook wrote:
Episode 2x17 connection to Persephone clues:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"A mouse does not rely on just one hole" was featured on the blast door map in latin, and truly obsessive fans would immediately remember it from the myriad of blast door map discussions. This made it much easier to spot the solve to that ridiculously long anagram, espeically since there was that translation problem with the dashes. However, I mark it tenuous because that quote is not originally FROM the blast door, but from Plautus. Of course, the PMs aren't relying on our extensive knowledge of latin, but of the show. What Persephone's motives for using that particular quote are remain unknown, but perhaps Hanso/DHARMA employees like to toss around Plautus in the office.


Except:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
There have been four references to the Blast Door Map.
1. "A Mouse does not have just one hole."
2. Heavy water.
3. Valenzetti
4. Magnus Hanso/Black Rock


There are more but I want to get them from all of you instead of listing them myself.

Thanks theShaggy for suggesting this thread!
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 		Hmm.. I vote this thread should be put in [META] and also perhaps should have a general Season 2 spoiler warning.. but since this is where it is now:

1) Mr. Paik and his corporation are tied to Hanso. He may or may not *really* have a daughter named Sun who went down on flight 815, but he and his company exist, confirmed by the recent blog post.

2) The ROT folks watch LOST and are following Persephone's lead in using show references to help us Hanso-truth-seekers identify their motives- hence, the cover page of their site is full of in-jokes about the show.

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 		The companies Paik and Widmore. From the original 1-877-HANSORG phone messages. And also maybe Paik from the recent audio update at stophanso.

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 		What do we have to suggest that the ARG world is not the Lost world, apart from the interview with McIntyre? Some people believe that the interview was flubbed a bit, or even that he didn't expect to be asked about Lost live on air.

Is there anything other than his "Just a TV show line" to indicate this?

In any case, how would the writers, assuming it is just a show, already know about the Black Rock and the DHARMA tattoo shark if it's only being revealed now, way after the show aired?

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 		Which is why I suggest that while the show exists in the game world, connections between the show and the game are considered META, of sorts, only really there to make us, who watch the show, get giddy.
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Char wrote:
What do we have to suggest that the ARG world is not the Lost world, apart from the interview with McIntyre? Some people believe that the interview was flubbed a bit, or even that he didn't expect to be asked about Lost live on air.

The official ABC LOST podcast with Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse- who said they were getting all sorts of flak from the Hanso Foundation since they had "borrowed" some real-life information about their (Hanso's) projects to use in the story of their hit TV show. Same party line that Gary Troupe was giving about the use of the Hanso Foundation and Widmore in his book.

And I think that in order for this conversation to not be meta, we must all agree that someone who writes for LOST must have the inside track over at Hanso, and also that they would have had several years to dig up this dirt that we, the general public, are only starting to hear, thanks to Persephone.

It has been pointed out in this thread that DJ Dan bears an uncanny resemblance to LOST writer Javier Grillo-Marxuach. (Note that the reference is inside a spoiler tag but it's not a show-spoiler.) Maybe he is the link- although Dan seems a little *too* clueless to have been a Hanso employee or someone else with extensive inside info. Perhaps that's part of the persona, though- a way to keep under the radar and yet help Persephone/Rachel to get the word out? Pure spec here....

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Char wrote:
In any case, how would the writers, assuming it is just a show, already know about the Black Rock and the DHARMA tattoo shark if it's only being revealed now, way after the show aired?

This is one of the many questions that I have attempted to think through in my quest to gather up a list of all the continuity errors in the ARG. You might find a suitable answer here:
http://members.aol.com/mattthepale/flaws.html

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Char wrote:
In any case, how would the writers, assuming it is just a show, already know about the Black Rock and the DHARMA tattoo shark if it's only being revealed now, way after the show aired?


The Black Rock disappeared over 100 years ago. Info about it is being made available on the internet and tied to Hanso and LOST only now, but that doesn't mean that that information wasn't available to people before this.

In the same vein, the purpose of the DHARMA logo on the shark is as of right now unknown to us, but let's say for speculation's sake that part of the Hanso files on the (now "defunct" according to their PR dept.) DHARMA project talk about their use of/ genetic experimentation on animals and how they would mark them with a DHARMA symbol. Then it is perfectly feasible to move into thinking that someone took that idea and incorporated it into the show. These files might even discuss sharks in particular.

Same goes for everything about the DHARMA project- right now we don't know which parts of it are real, i.e. based on info from Hanso insiders, and which are created by the writers as embellishments on that information, but I do not think these are, by any means, continuity errors.

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 		Re: [REF] Definite Connections b/t TLE & Lost TV (SPOILE
chief wrote:
We've been having an interesting discussion on the other half of the message board about how to view the real world of the ARG and its relationship to the fictional world of Lost.

I like to think of it more as two peas in a pod. Both forums are here for the game. I'm not entirely comfortable with this thread having been split off from the other discussion, but at this point merging them back together will be too messy.

Also I'm not convined that this belongs in the general forum. Have these relationships had an impact on the game? (and the more abstract question: Will they have an impact of the game?)

The idea of the meta OT and SI forum is to isolate the things that don't directly relate to playing the game. This helps people to a) avoid spoilers from the show (which afaik haven't played any part in the game) b) avoid spoilers from the game, which ruin it's reality (such as the casting call) c) make the general thread easy to look through.

So having said that I'm going to let this thread go on for now, but it may switch to meta later on.

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