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spugmeistress
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http://perplexcitywiki.com/wiki/Perplex_City_Errorlogs

we got these about a year or two back from the original perplexcity.com website. they are *very* similar to what you guys are pulling out, so i guess they are the same kind of thing, gatehouse logs that identify staff members by biometrics and records conversations too. part of the security system in the academy. just thought i'd point them out in case any of the new players weren't aware of their existence.

edit: trouted what buz had already said, sorry

rach =)

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jbd
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The program pointer starts in upper left corner.

Directions:

popen - east
pread - west
mount - se
pwrite - e
switch - se
copy - s
flush - s

'rotate' does something different depending on where it is executed: [EDIT: actually, it's even weirder than that. I'll have to play a little more. Relative direction entered seems something to have to do with it, but it's very very strange.]
Code:
 e  e  e  e  s
 s ne  n  n  s
 e  n ne  n  s
ne  n ne  n  s
ne  n ne  n  n


The same goes for 'zone':
Code:
e e e w s
s w w n n
e e e n w
n w w n n
n w w n n


'end' ends execution whenever it gets hit on a specific error message. It is very good for testing where the code is going.
'cache' seems to only work as an end point.
'run' can go anywhere that the program pointer isn't reaching.

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xandert_86
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Okay, a couple of the messages are referring to a 'he' or 'him'. Would it be possible that this male (at least it knocks it down to just the Y chromosome carrying population!) could be Sente Kiteway or Nev? It would certainly stick with the theory that this are logs or security recordings of conversations of test on the cube or even the theft of the Cube by members of the Crypto department. I don't know what the rest of you think of this. I'm quite probably jumping the gun. Or clutching at straws. Pick a cliche!

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poozle
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jbd wrote:
poozle wrote:
How do we know there are only 4? Surely there could be more?


Quote:
<jalapenodude> so it looks like the result is determined by the number of zones. It also looks like you need at least one rotate for it to work
<jalapenodude> summary of the zone thing:0 zones approached, 1 zone cameras, 2 zone lasers, 3 zones unable to get read handle, 4 zones approached, 5+ zones unable to reset open permissions
<jalapenodude> I'm fairly sure we've found all the messages anyway
<jalapenodude> given that it seems to repeat itself with increasing numbers of zones


Now, it looks like a wrench was thrown into that (see above) but that's what the feeling was last night when we folded up. Wink


I didn't think there would be only 4 messages (especially as the 4 seemed not to be too helpful).

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Antony C
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I got this

Quote:
Crypto Dept. Order Form

Coffee
Coffee!
COFFEE!


From Z M R SW --/ -- -- PW RO FL/ -- -- -- CA ZO

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jbd
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zone mount -- -- -- / -- switch pread -- -- / -- -- switch cache -- / -- -- -- rotate --

Run can go anywhere. We've just been traditionally putting it in row 1 column 3.

Quote:
To: 55321801

FROM: MANSOOR H.

Kiteway's programs are disrupting the entire department. Breeding hostility and distrust among amicable colleagues. The man doesn't belong here anymore, why can't he keep his damned pet projects in his own office? Crypto is mine now, not his.

Well, here are the metrics to show he's not minding his own business.

Number of times Kiteway has visited dept. offices this year: 78

And in 268: 129

And in 267: 23

Dept. suspicion level on the Howe-Panntonin Index: 8.8

And in 268: 7.3

And in 267: 4.5

Suspect the man has his own agenda and isn't sharing with the proper channels, for example me and you. Suspect he is subverting the time and resources of my faculty without consulting me ahead of time. Behaving as though he can't trust his own senior fellows. Ridiculous. How long must we put up with this childish rigmarole?


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jbd
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zone mount -- -- -- / -- switch pread -- -- / -- -- switch -- -- / -- -- -- switch cache / -- -- -- -- rotate

Quote:
PROJECT DATA HEADER 1277 | Created 23156S


And yet another one (nanoscale imager) on the wiki:
http://perplexcitywiki.com/wiki/Backdoor#Config_10:_Nanoscale_imager

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jbd
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More fun on the wiki.

http://perplexcitywiki.com/wiki/Backdoor#Config_11:_Reynolds_ioniser

In case anyone is curious, yes, I pretty have a nodding idea how this works now. Being able to ferret out every file is a trickier matter.

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Antony C
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Likewise, I think I've got it. It is just a matter of following the commands, and weening the little blighters out.

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jbd
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Been mulling. I wanted to get some things out, and I apologize for this being confusing to non-programmers. I will try later to write a more intensive tutorial. (It's not really a programming language per se, just a complicated logic puzzle. But thinking like a programmer can help.)

The things to keep in mind when message-hunting:

1.) When trying to find something new, you're paying attention to the string of commands being executed, not necessarily their physical placement. Physical placement will make it more difficult and sometimes prevent certain acts (like if you try to keep doing a switch command and going SE, eventually you'll hit the border), but the actual file that pops up seems to be based solely on the commands, not on where they are in the grid.

2.) In that vein, try to study the strings of commands to see what you can change in tem. For example, I looked at
zone-mount-pread-switch-switch-rotate-cache
and realized I could fit another switch in there
zone-mount-pread-switch-switch-switch-rotate-cache

The latter ends up getting only as far as r5c4. I also realized I would have room to add another 'switch' in there if I shifted upward from r5c4 and put a switch at r4c4.

Valid strings of command seem to always start with zone-mount, and a lot of them end with rotate-cache (but not all of them -- that logs one Antony found ends rotate-flush).

3.) Use the End command to test where your execution is going if you're having trouble. Like if I hit a Rotate (which I still haven't worked out) I usually test End in each possible location the program could go next until I find it gives the message which tells me it tried to run the End command. That's the spot the program goes next.

You can also use the End for bugtesting a whole sequence, so to see if your program actually reaches a point in the middle of the string or there's something broken earlier than you expect.

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jbd
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Found another one by modifying the 'Coffee' one Antony found:

http://perplexcitywiki.com/wiki/Backdoor#Config_12:_Noise_control_system

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Antony C
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I think that even though A PWRITE sends the code right, and PREAD sends the code to the left, if you put them next to each other, the code goes below the PREAD.

There has to be more than these. I think we still haven't found the 'goal' message.

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duckiemonster
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Antony C wrote:
I got this

Quote:
Crypto Dept. Order Form

Coffee
Coffee!
COFFEE!



Best. Find. Ever.

Off on a bit of a speculation, given that some names that we're finding are tallying with Earth cryptologists, could it be that they take an 'honour' name on being admitted to the department? I might have a trawl through the "Roll Call" crypto page later and see if this works in every case.

As I'm still utterly failing to understand how this system spits out bits of information, congrats to those of you with the brain power (and free time Wink) to make it sit up and do stuff.
_________________
duckiemonster.com w00t!

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BBuck
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jbd wrote:
1.) When trying to find something new, you're paying attention to the string of commands being executed, not necessarily their physical placement. Physical placement will make it more difficult and sometimes prevent certain acts (like if you try to keep doing a switch command and going SE, eventually you'll hit the border), but the actual file that pops up seems to be based solely on the commands, not on where they are in the grid.


I'm getting very confused. I understand the directions issue, but I'm still not clear about how the commands fit together.

All of these combinations get the "Approaching the Master" note (config 2 on the Wiki)

ZO MO CA - - / - - RO - - /
ZO MO PW CA - / - - RO - - /
ZO MO - - - / - - CO CA - / - - RO - -
ZO SW - - - / - MO ZO - - / - - MO CA - / - - - RO - /
PO PO CO - - / - MO ZO - - / - - MO CA - / - - - RO - /
ZO MO - RO RO/ - - PO RO CA/
ZO MO - PW CA/ - - PR RO - /
ZO MO - - - / - - FL CA - / - - RO - - /
PO ZO MO CA - / - - - RO - /

Written in command order:

a) ZO, MO, RO, CA
b) ZO, MO, RO, PW, CA
c) ZO, MO, CO, RO, CA
d) ZO, SW, ZO, MO, MO, RO, CA
e) PO, PO, CO, ZO, MO, MO, RO, CA
f) ZO, MO, PO, RO, RO, CA
g) ZO, MO, PR, RO, PW, CA
h) ZO, MO, FL, RO, CA
i) PO, ZO, MO, RO, CA

This suggests a few conclusions (italics show where from):

i) zone, mount represents the start of a string, but other commands can go before d, e and i
ii) pwrite, pread, copy, flush and the 2nd mount make no difference to the string b, c, e, g and h
iii) the number of rotates makes no differencef and g

Whilst checking the above, I tried a couple of other strings, which suggest i) is not quite right. The combination

ZO ZO MO CA - / - - - RO - /

gives the "Smart Dust Cameras" message, and

ZO ZO ZO MO CA / - - - - RO /

gives "Laser".

It looks like there is method in this madness, but can't quite see it yet.

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BBuck
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To confuse things further,

ZO ZO ZO MO - / - - CO PR CO / - - CO ZO ZO / - - CO CA - / - - RO - - /

gives "Approaching the Master" as well. But

ZO ZO ZO MO - / - - CO PR CO / - - CO ZO PO / - - CO CA - / - - RO - - /

gives nothing. If RUN is placed in r4c5 then you get "Runtime Error: Timeout in Folder". Anywhere else, and you get "Completion Error: Invalid Command Grid".

[EDIT] Change from r4c4 to r4c5. Apologies. [/EDIT]

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