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[SPEC] Is Persephone Rachel Blake?
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Hank Scorpio
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 		I actually doubt her more now that she has claimed she IS persephone. P would never admit her identity over a blog. I think we need to look into the meaning of gidgetgirl's name more (gidget is a contractioin of girl midget, is persephone a midget?) One thing that still bugs me though is Rachel knew about the Hanso site being shut down before it was actually updated with the clue that led to the shutdown. In her first video she had the shutdown hanso site showing on her laptop. I'm almost positive her video showed up before the shutdown, but that could be because of it leaking early.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
(gidget is a contractioin of girl midget, is persephone a midget?)
Or is it girl and gadget?

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Gus Raja
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matt_the_pale wrote:
Therefore, we are in very real danger of collecting all of the evidence together and drawing the wrong conclusion from it, specifically due to a rapport with Rachel Blake.

I'm not saying that we should disbelieve everything that comes out of her mouth, nor should we throw caution to the wind. Let us just examine what has been told to us and by whom, consider our sources and their motives, and most importantly, wait and watch. Veritas filia temporis est.



So we should be weary of any theories that Rachel might throw out. That makes sense, especially if she is on a personal vendetta for whatever reason.

At any rate, what's up with the Latin? I feel like responding...

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I'm almost positive her video showed up before the shutdown, but that could be because of it leaking early.



I remember some saying that it was early because the Hanso site was still up, but actually it was only up for some. Is was up if you went to a subdirectory of the site, and it was up for anyone who had not yet gone through the final hack, but at the point the video came out the site was already down for anyone who already went through the final hack. As you recall, it shut down at the conclusion of that hack for each individual user. So all that really meant was that she was among the first of many to experience the final hack soon after it was up.

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Hank Scorpio
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 		Rachel's first video showed up on June 16th on Monster.com
I believe the Hanso site wasnt shut down until June 19th (the clue to get to the shutdown wasnt even available yet until then)

Rachels blog wasnt active until June 19th though so I guess it fits with the continuity if you didnt see the video until then.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Rachel's first video showed up on June 16th on Monster.com
I believe the Hanso site wasnt shut down until June 19th (the clue to get to the shutdown wasnt even available yet until then)

Rachels blog wasnt active until June 19th though so I guess it fits with the continuity if you didnt see the video until then.




No, the hack occured on June 16th as well...

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15390

The THF site would have shut down for anyone having gone through the hack on that day, and that was the same day the video came out. So it all makes sense.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
I think we need to look into the meaning of gidgetgirl's name more (gidget is a contractioin of girl midget, is persephone a midget?)

I think it came from a series of "surfer/beach blanket baby" American movies. The original stared Sandra Dee. Gidget's real name is Frances Lawrence and she's in love with a boy named Moondoggie.
(no, really.)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052847/.
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SpiralBoundBook wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
I think we need to look into the meaning of gidgetgirl's name more (gidget is a contractioin of girl midget, is persephone a midget?)

I think it came from a series of "surfer/beach blanket baby" American movies. The original stared Sandra Dee. Gidget's real name is Frances Lawrence and she's in love with a boy named Moondoggie.
(no, really.)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052847/.



She could have been an original Gidget fan. "Gidget" was a hit in the mid-60's about the same time that Valenzetti spoke to the UN about his equation. Considering her apparent knowlegde of Valenzetti, what are the chances that she actually knew the man?

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 		If Gigetgirl was an original Giget fan she could be in her 40's or 50's.
BTW, in the old Giget movies I saw on TV as a kid, Giget was played by a young Sally Field (pre "Flying Nun").

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 		Now I'm sure this is nothing, but just in case...

The following page is a link to a yellow lab named Gidget:

http://www.goletavalleydogclub.org/albums/gidget.htm



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Hank Scorpio wrote:
P would never admit her identity over a blog.


Why not?

Regardless of whether she's Rachel or not, we never spoke to P, or associate with P other than the messages she showed us. In my opinion, you can't judge what she might or might not do through that.
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 		Well, no one can say for absolute sure that P wouldn't - just that we think it is extremely unlikely. And yes, I think we can judge from what we've seen so far. And Rachel Blake seems like Persephone's opposite. Completely out of character.

Plus, to me, a bit too late in the game. If P IS Rachel Blake, seems like she would've skipped all the secrecy from the beginning. Just because she's in Iceland doesn't make it any more safe.

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 		Rachel is P? I think not.
1. Some of the audio clips do sound similar to but not exactly like P.
2. P could hack into a website while Rachel went into the marine archive, pressed enter on the computer and left.
3. Her videos seem staged, and there are some voices on them that are someone else.
4. Mittelwerk seemed to recognize her and looked confused.
5. The Fixer didn't hear her loud voice in the room and didn't hear her pounding footsteps going to the door. He nonchalantly looked in her room without checking the bathroom/closet doors first.

One of my pet theories is that P is IobiSeeingYou. She is tech savvy and her ROT group already has an anti-Hanso agenda.

Another possibility is that she is hospital gown girl, perhaps one of the savants. The hack when she said it was hard to "break through" made me think she was not only confined but had difficulty breaking through her own illness to communicate.

As long as Rachel does not reveal her motivation, I will be wary of her.

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lostviolinist wrote:
Well, no one can say for absolute sure that P wouldn't - just that we think it is extremely unlikely. And yes, I think we can judge from what we've seen so far. And Rachel Blake seems like Persephone's opposite. Completely out of character.

Plus, to me, a bit too late in the game. If P IS Rachel Blake, seems like she would've skipped all the secrecy from the beginning. Just because she's in Iceland doesn't make it any more safe.


Exactly, lostviolinist. I'm inclined to cite again the fact that Gidget Girl, like Persephone, has declined to give her real name publicly, and ESPECIALLY not over a blog.

Whereas Rachel, in her conversation with WTK, used NOT ONLY the anagram for Persephone (openershep), but then identified herself as Rachel B.!!!

People might say, "What about the fact that Persephone herself used the alias 'openershep' on the LYCGY entry screen (when she asked 'are you one of the good ones')?"

And I would respond that most likely, Persephone used her own anagram to sound more like a computer operating system and therefore, inocuous.

My supporting example would be: if someone had a code name like Modss (lame, I know), they could anagram it to MSDOS as an operating system. In other words, it would make the hacker's name more difficult to trace.

When I first saw 'openershep', it just seemed to me like programming-speak. I didn't even notice that the name had been mentioned before Rachel used it in the convo with WTK. So, if it flew under my radar, it may very well have flown under Hanso's.

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 		Re: Rachel is P? I think not.
Tresbien wrote:
Another possibility is that she is hospital gown girl, perhaps one of the savants. The hack when she said it was hard to "break through" made me think she was not only confined but had difficulty breaking through her own illness to communicate.


My boyfriend and I both felt long ago that the creepy creepy hospital gown girl was, in fact, Persephone. Just a hunch at the time. If she were in a mental hospital, Hanso could have placed her there as a way to SHUTDOWN her prying eyes.

If she were truly mentally ill, especially if she were an autistic savant, she would have great trouble communicating socially (which I don't believe Persephone suffers from). Relatedly, I'm fond of the theory on these boards:

evamonkey wrote:
california is where hurley comes from, and is most likley the same state as the mental hospital he was sent to where another number crunching savant was present, the source of the numbers in lost. Which much like the institute in iceland probaby acted as a normal hospital but had a sub basment area with savant number crunchers.


Recall that the number crunching savant would only repeat the LOST numbers. Even when Hurley and he were playing checkers, he refused or could not communicate in words. Now, granted, Hurley was having his *own* imaginary conversation at the time, but still.

In conclusion, Hanso could very well have shut Persephone in a mental hospital, from which she escaped eventually. But I don't believe that she is debilitated mentally – a little paranoid, but for all we know, it's for a good reason!

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