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[UPDATE] The Path of Least Time - 13th July - Replay
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jonc
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GasparLewis wrote:

It seems to me, more than anything else, that what's being done is a replication of something, perfect even to physical detail, without the exact object being there. For what reason, I can't say, but that's what I've got.




Having only been here a couple of weeks, I can probably provide a different perspective, and I too thought this, but in relation to the cube heist. Specifically the rumour that the cube was already gone once the 4 letter bandits got there.

Could these items have been used to replicate the cube after it had been stolen already, to convince people that it hadn't?
Is it possible that the cube had already been replicated, and a copy has been sitting in the acadamy for years, before it was "stolen"?

Perhaps to allow further research to be done without anyone knowing...


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Building on that and on myself, I'll add this chunk of speculation, which, at this point, is starting to seem the likely reason for this equipment.

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The Klebold plates, powered by the battery and the ionizers, and triggered by the atomic clock, set off a hologram of the cube exactly as the non-3P power stole it some period before the ball night, and it remained there as a decoy until realized by the 3P theft team, who grabbed at only air, thus it being there until the night of the robbery, but them never having it, and possibly dealt with by other parties beforehand. [This explains them never having it, its presence on Earth, and the over-arching hunch that Sente is trying to keep us in the dark from something. (added)]


Or, very easily, this equipment could act as replication of some entirely different object. That's why it's still speculation. But, considering this turn of thought, I figured it could make the jump to conjecture, and so I repeat it.

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GasparLewis wrote:
Building on that and on myself, I'll add this chunk of speculation, which, at this point, is starting to seem the likely reason for this equipment.

I wrote:
The Klebold plates, powered by the battery and the ionizers, and triggered by the atomic clock, set off a hologram of the cube exactly as the non-3P power stole it some period before the ball night, and it remained there as a decoy until realized by the 3P theft team, who grabbed at only air, thus it being there until the night of the robbery, but them never having it, and possibly dealt with by other parties beforehand. [This explains them never having it, its presence on Earth, and the over-arching hunch that Sente is trying to keep us in the dark from something. (added)]


Or, very easily, this equipment could act as replication of some entirely different object. That's why it's still speculation. But, considering this turn of thought, I figured it could make the jump to conjecture, and so I repeat it.


My Word. It's like something straight out of "Ocean's Twelve".

Just throwing this out there, It's still entirely possible that the 3P hasn't used any of this stolen technology yet, correct? I went on vacation the day of Cains first Crypto post and got back yesterday and have yet to read over the archvies. ><

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I know; I'd seen it two weeks ago, and it just rang in my head now.
Suppose that's where inspiration struck, then, eh? Laughing

And, actually, you're right. If the plates and ionizers were taken back, they couldn't have been used yet. Otherwise, why store them? You'd dispose of them, that's what. Maybe they did, though, so that's on hod for now. So, then, what would they need a perfect hologram with a timer for, other than the Cube, as spec/conj?

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GasparLewis wrote:
The Klebold plates, powered by the battery and the ionizers, and triggered by the atomic clock, set off a hologram of the cube exactly as the non-3P power stole it some period before the ball night, and it remained there as a decoy until realized by the 3P theft team, who grabbed at only air, thus it being there until the night of the robbery, but them never having it, and possibly dealt with by other parties beforehand. [This explains them never having it, its presence on Earth, and the over-arching hunch that Sente is trying to keep us in the dark from something. (added)]


Er. Given the equipment was found with one of the thieves, I'm not quite sure how it figures the equipment was used to foil their plan in the first place. Wouldn't they be the ones trying to use it? Were they trying to steal the cube and "return" a fake perhaps? (Although if so, why would they still need the equipment?)

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Alter Ego wrote:
From my understanding i think they are using the gear to build something (we don't no what) at Silbourn-Griggs and until we find out what they are taking we have no idea (really) of what the hell they are building!

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Just a point of information: Sente had Silburn-Griggs blown up. Well, we assume it was Sente. Either that or the miners really *did* leave blasting caps and...

So depending on the timing of the scenario, either the kit went with it, or is in an entirely different place (Gillit Road, anyone?)
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I think that we're all missing the most important point here. Violet has a new rival for Kurt's affections once more! However, Karen also sounds distinctly lovely, if a little...erm...barking-hatstand-tonto-cuckoo-wacko.

Crazy girls, "ftw", as you youngsters say these days.

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jbd
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duckiemonster wrote:
Just a point of information: Sente had Silburn-Griggs blown up. Well, we assume it was Sente. Either that or the miners really *did* leave blasting caps and...


Or the entirely logical guess it was 3P who blew it up?

Unless we're presuming Sente = 3P, but that's random speculation, not known truth. (The 'let's test the abilities of the cube hunters' business makes no sense then, when Sente gets detailed charts of our progress all the time.)

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jbd wrote:
Er. Given the equipment was found with one of the thieves, I'm not quite sure how it figures the equipment was used to foil their plan in the first place. Wouldn't they be the ones trying to use it? Were they trying to steal the cube and "return" a fake perhaps? (Although if so, why would they still need the equipment?)


Aye, true. I was consenting some way to that with the last post, but that about sums it up: my brain = Drool.

And, also to finish the job on my theory, if it was the non-3P element (of whom we're not even totally sure is operating!) that used the setup and is stealing the equipment, why was Q/Holyoke pinned with the goods? "YOU SANK MY SPECSHIP!"

But, I still hold by my analysis of the system itself and its general purpose. The pieces all seems to fit as they look.

And, as to what exactly these flippin' pieces are/do:
Klebold plates ≈ images, to take input of object to recreate
Reynolds ioniser ≈ possibly power source, as ions allow for currents
Atomic clock ≈ possibly timer, being what it sounds like
Phase-conjugate laser ≈ images, to counter image distortion
flux compression generator ≈ power source, often for radiation-free EMPs
Nelis battery ≈ power source from radioactive emissions
Baker SMC-E field ≈ possibly stability; no info I could dig up, but "containment field" implies enough

My final thesis is that the device uses an atomic clock timer to trigger (a) hologram(s) made by the Klebold plates and the phase-conjugate laser, and powered by Nelis battery, Reynolds ioniser, and the flux generator, and kept in stability by the Baker field.

Side notes! The redundancy mentioned with the plates is engineering jargon for failsafe duplicates in a system. Burst mode from the battery is continued transmission without new input. Tesla strength is the power of electromagnetic fields.

The parts they lack are Nelis and Baker, which are 3141PU-1M and 26637C-8Y, respectively, and possibly the plates and ionizer, but I suspect we didn't get their whole cache; N & B remain the only ones un-heisted.

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Gaspar - from what I've read, that looks largely spot-on, but I'd like to add a thought (first post, hopefully no ensuing trouting) -

I definitely think the hologram concept has to be correct. But I also think there's a significant possibility that what is being built is a trap - basically a fake Cube with explosive weaponry.

I mention this because everything I've turned up about (magnetic/explosively powered) flux compression generators point to their use as EMP weapons, far more so than power sources. It also seems likely that the flux compression generator in question would be a magnetic one, which would explain the Baker field as containment.

So, I would postulate that the atomic clock in question could be a bomb timer (and that, in fact, the ionizer could be to ionize the gas used by the clock) of some sort. Additionally, FCGs target computational devices...possibly an attack on the keys of whomever finds the fake Cube?

The other thing is that an FCG is largely a one-off device: it is destroyed in the process of being used, so its capacity as a longer-term power source seems minimal.

My guess is that the 3P knows where the Cube is, and is planning to present a fake Cube elsewhere, possibly designed to blow up anyone who finds it, while they go find the real one.

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Crazy speculation.

A hologram with a timer could be used if you wanted to 'prove' to someone that you had the cube, where in fact you had it safely stowed away without there being a chance of it being stolen from you. As a kind of, 'look we've got it, now give us the cash' kinda thing.

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Reynolds ioniser ≈ possibly power source, as ions allow for currents


Ionisation makes particles unstable, sometimes in forming plasma or an active gas. If something is ionised, it becomes unstable, allowing for various emissions, like light or heat. Or in some cases, ionisation of liquids can be used for particle deposition - to extract certain elements, or indeed as you say, power, but not a significant amount of power.

Atomic clocks are used to accurately measure time, to losing a 10th of a nanosecond per day. Why use something so accurate to time an explosion when a grandfather clock would do the trick??

Also FCGs can be used to power a pulse laser - a weapon that can blast a massive hole in something. Or a small hole obviously. Or maybe rip a 'hole' in the fabric of space?

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