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[UPDATE] Beth's Metadex and Zip Files [Nov 2]
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Marl64
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Ahriman wrote:
is it the same man? I'm not a betting man, but I'd certainly put a few pennies on it being so.


I suppose we might be looking for another zip file then Very Happy
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Maybe what we are lookig at is a file running within the program, a daemon. That would explain how the error is a local one which refers to only one element of the environment. It could be the daemon which controls interaction, verbal response, object solidity, or memory.

The failure to load a memory program could be a failure to ERASE Beth's memory of the incident.
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yanka wrote:
Isn't this the same guy that was at the incident with the horse? I wonder if he follows "events" or causes them.


A few parallels to the Mothman from The Mothman Prophecies (2001):
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Man shows up at events (examples from movie: plane crash, bridge collapse)...not clear whether he causes them or follows them, however, he does know they are going to happen.

Man is preceded by an image of a moth, angel, bat (some sort of winged creature)
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Also, the color red plays an important part in the movie, as it apparently does in many of these events

Mothman (aka Ingrid Cold) communicates through telephone messages in english, but at non-human voice frequencies.

I haven't seen the movie in at least 6 months, anybody else who has seen it knows how close this is to the movie.

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 		Just a little background for anyone looking at the code wondering "What is all that about?" Very Happy
Code:
method

<programming> The name given in Smalltalk and other
object-oriented languages to a procedure or routine
associated with one or more classes. An object of a
certain class knows how to perform actions, e.g. printing
itself or creating a new instance of itself, rather than the
function (e.g. printing) knowing how to handle different types
of object.


Object-oriented languages deal with everything as "objects".

eg. Door

Objects can include descriptions of themselves (called properties) which are expressed after the object seperated by a '.'.

eg. Door.colour

Objects can also have things that they are able to do (called methods) which are expressed in a similar way.

eg. Door.open

The Methods of an object may require further information and these are provided in brackets.

eg. Door.open("30") ; open the door to 30 degrees

In the example above, the information is fixed as it's in quotes. However it doesn't need to be, it could be in a variable or (and this is where it starts to get wierd) a reference to another object.

So for example;

Door.MaximumOpen = 100 defines a property of the object which is the most it can open (100 degrees)

If you wanted to fully open the door, you could put.

Door.open(Door.MaximumOpen)

Back to the ARG:

{object}.isAwareOf(self)

The problems is what does "self" refer to (in the context of the item being checked)? itself, or the AI

And does the "isAwareOf" method check; if the "object" is aware of the "self", or the "self" is aware of the "object"?

(I hope this helps in some way)
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 		Re: UPDATE: Beth's Metadex and Zip Files, w/ pgairden
TheGreenRabbit wrote:
Theres a file in Beth metadex!


to the Moderators:
It would be extremely helpful if the UPDATE label specified a date. After all, we now have dozens of topics that all say "Update to Metadex" and these get shuffled with discussion replies.
Also, why does this topic even have pgairden in the title? BTW, thank you to whomever did add ZIP to the title, since it didn't start out that way. This will be most helpful a week from now -- but if we get more ZIP files in the future, a date/timestamp in the topic will keep things separated better. Thank you!

EDIT-Ehsan: Points noted. Thanks!

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 		I was going to mention something along the lines of Marauder:

In the book The Mothman Prophecies, John Keel mentions that before, during, and after UFO sightings and other paranormal events (and sometimes not even connected with them) people encounter strange "men". Sometimes these men will be wearing old-fashioned clothes, or clothes that won't come into style for a few years or decades, and sometimes have a hard time speaking English or doing other common place things (there's one example that he mentions that didn't even know how to eat a steak!). This guy kind of reminds me of that. And it would make sense, since the Agents are supposed to be an explanation of the "Men in Black", and these guys are regulary connected with the MiBs.

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Marl64 wrote:

Back to the ARG:

{object}.isAwareOf(self)

The problems is what does "self" refer to (in the context of the item being checked)? itself, or the AI

And does the "isAwareOf" od check; if the "object" is aware of the "self", or the "self" is aware of the "object"?

(I hope this helps in some way)


The only language I am familiar with is Java (I'm probably much younger than most of the people here...and Java is object-oriented...here's how I see it

The object has a od (boolean) isAwareOf taking the argument self.

So the object checks whether it is aware of "self". Self could have been initialized in either "object" or the AI however, but I'm guessing it's in the object.

And if an agent is being talked to in english, and he's trying to find the source a great test to run to find who said it is to search the objects and find the one that isAwareOf itself. This would give you the human and not the tent, or trees, etc.

I think this makes the most sense. And The Architect seems like a pretty logical thinker to me... Wink

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Marauder wrote:

The only language I am familiar with is Java (I'm probably much younger than most of the people here...and Java is object-oriented


The only language I'm familiar with is BBC BASIC. Now if the files had been, like, '10 PRINT "HELLO", 20 GOTO 10', I'd be your man... Very Happy

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Ahriman wrote:
Marauder wrote:

The only language I am familiar with is Java (I'm probably much younger than most of the people here...and Java is object-oriented


The only language I'm familiar with is BBC BASIC. Now if the files had been, like, '10 PRINT "HELLO", 20 GOTO 10', I'd be your man... Very Happy


No, you've got to end it, no infinite loops... (it's been years since I've done basic, so forgive any syntax errors Wink )

10 A=0
20 PRINT "HELLO"
30 A=A+1
40 IF A<10 THEN GOTO 20
50 END

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bakntime wrote:
Ahriman wrote:
Marauder wrote:

The only language I am familiar with is Java (I'm probably much younger than most of the people here...and Java is object-oriented


The only language I'm familiar with is BBC BASIC. Now if the files had been, like, '10 PRINT "HELLO", 20 GOTO 10', I'd be your man... Very Happy


No, you've got to end it, no infinite loops... (it's been years since I've done basic, so forgive any syntax errors Wink )

10 A=0
20 PRINT "HELLO"
30 A=A+1
40 IF A<10 THEN GOTO 20
50 END


Wow, you're a programming god. You just blew away my finest BASIC creation! Very Happy

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BriEnigma wrote:

My *guess* is that the meaning of error 259 is going to be beyond us. It is probably something custom--like the XML syntax being used is custom. That said, you brought up the MySQL error. Other interesting error 259's are:

Microsoft system error: No more data is available
Oracle: Insert/update failed
Secure Socket Layer: Unsupported SSL version

I am sure there are others out there, but that was a quick search of Google and my /usr/include/* files.


Since Metacortex is a fictional Microsoft (redland, redmond), wouldn't it be fairly safe to use the Microsoft definition?

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 		I'd say we tackle first things first: some dude shows up and beth logs his thoughts and uploads them to her 'dex Question Exclamation

THAT is freaking me out, almost as much as this whole halloween phone call thing... HOW does Beth get this... whatever's... processing? Are we all happy to just say that some Matrixy glitch causes Beths PDA to log everything?

Anyway, what struck me about the translations is that it all appears to be tag based: possibly XML? What better way to describe a dynamic environment: something crops up, you just add a new descriptive tag to the system. My thoughts are that this is a program which (like the Keymaker, the Oracle, Persephone and the Merov) didn't go back to the source. This means that it's just a loose bit of code, so it won't be able to update itself: hence no access to the native language module.

Thoughts?
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Azathoth666 wrote:
I'd say we tackle first things first: some dude shows up and beth logs his thoughts and uploads them to her 'dex Question Exclamation

THAT is freaking me out, almost as much as this whole halloween phone call thing... HOW does Beth get this... whatever's... processing? Are we all happy to just say that some Matrixy glitch causes Beths PDA to log everything?

The idea that pops into my mind immediately is that the communication with this guy is being achieved somehow through some kind of high energy electromagnetic radiation ... which is to say that the communication between the guy object and whatever is on the other end is wireless, and maybe from awfully far away (whether this be in line with the satellite based theory for where Beth's events occur or other reasons that this communication would be achieved through 'broadcast').

The signal between the guy object and the faraway transmitter/receiver would have to be pretty powerful, but reasonably focussed to produce such localized phenomena. Maybe powerful enough that any data that is sent to the guy object also inadvertantly got written to Beth's PDA ... notably not exactly in binary.

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ChainedLightning wrote:
BriEnigma wrote:

My *guess* is that the meaning of error 259 is going to be beyond us. It is probably something custom--like the XML syntax being used is custom. That said, you brought up the MySQL error. Other interesting error 259's are:

Microsoft system error: No more data is available
Oracle: Insert/update failed
Secure Socket Layer: Unsupported SSL version

I am sure there are others out there, but that was a quick search of Google and my /usr/include/* files.


Since Metacortex is a fictional Microsoft (redland, redmond), wouldn't it be fairly safe to use the Microsoft definition?


I think i would go with the oracle one thinking along the matrix lines
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illuminati_dk wrote:
ChainedLightning wrote:
BriEnigma wrote:

My *guess* is that the meaning of error 259 is going to be beyond us. It is probably something custom--like the XML syntax being used is custom. That said, you brought up the MySQL error. Other interesting error 259's are:

Microsoft system error: No more data is available
Oracle: Insert/update failed
Secure Socket Layer: Unsupported SSL version

I am sure there are others out there, but that was a quick search of Google and my /usr/include/* files.


Since Metacortex is a fictional Microsoft (redland, redmond), wouldn't it be fairly safe to use the Microsoft definition?


I think i would go with the oracle one thinking along the matrix lines


Or...it's just a Metacortex error so we have no way of knowing what it means! Razz

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