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[poozle]

Re: not fraud??

[manleym]

Risks

[thereverendeg]

Yeah but...

[domroberts]

I agree with you 100%.

I still can't quite believe that the response from some people on these forums. When faced with information about a possible scam against fellow Perplexers, the attitude seems to have been :

"Oh well, easy come easy go. Use Firebox. Lock topic please"

Which quite frankly, stinks.

I personally hope all the 38,000 who play PXC read this thread and makes the decision to avoid this seller. But then I have strong feelings because I have experienced these issues. 'thereverendeg' - we might be in a minority here, but on a positive note at least we have been able to communicate our experiences to others.

[manleym]

Re: Yeah but... (...No but)

[poozle]

I have to be honest for buying packs of cards its safer to buy from firebox/ borders, etc. but if you wish to buy on ebay then you have to make sure you read the description 100% to make sure it says nothing about lower proportion of silvers/blacks, and also that it says about sorting/non-sorting of the cards.

IF they have supplied products that are not to the description feel free to complain but if what you bought is what it says in the description you have no foot to stand on.

As I said before go through the official ebay complaints procedures if it is wrong (contact seller, chargeback on paypal and if still not sorted claim back with ebay) but make sure it is wrong AND you don't just suspect it to be wrong (if you get 12 packs and no silvers it could just be luck, I've had that from firebox before).

Buying individual cards, well ebay is about the only way to go, but still be careful, make sure you read EXACTLY what you are getting.

If anyone needs to know more about the ebay complaints proceedure feel free to contact me, I've been through it once before so know all the things to do to hopefully get your money back.

Poozle

And if anyone has any problems with my post (I can't see why) PM me and let me know, don't bring it out in public, its easier to sort via PMs.

[cassandra]

Okay, I've thought a long time about this topic, and I've consulted with some of the board administrators.

Here are my comments and concerns (based on current TOS policy):

As has been reiterated in other topics, Unfiction welcomes threads about card swapping, organizing meets/trades, etc. Threads advertising personal card sales, eBay auctions, etc by the seller are not. (Sorry, guys.)

Regarding eBay reviews and feedback in particular: While I do think dishonesty and/or auction fraud is a very serious issue, I do not believe this type of post is appropriate for Unfiction.

Issue 1: If you have an issue with a particular dealer, if you think that someone has cheated you or is advertising falsely: please, contact the dealer, and if that does not solve your problem, contact eBay or the host of the auction/sale site. They have a system in place, both feedback-based and legal, to take care of this *exact* situation. Posting non-positive feedback on eBay will let the players who don't come to UF know of your problem as well. Posting bad experiences here and *not* contacting anyone directly simply allows the situation to keep recurring. Which leads to..

Issue 2: Make sure your accusation is valid *before* you post it on any public forum. And as an addendum: you will get many, many packs that do not contain blacks or silvers. At the last swap meet I went to, I got to open 6 booster packs fresh out of a newly-opened box from a licensed retailer, and only two contained a black, and none had silver. Not getting blacks or silvers is not evidence of anything alone - in fact, it's pretty common.

Issue 3: There is always the possibility - since is the internet and all that - that any report posted here concerning an outside transaction could be knowingly untrue. Or defamatory, retaliatory, inflammatory, add-your-own-tory. Also, once you've named a specific username, you've opened yourself -and Unfiction- up to a whole host of potential legal issues. The Unfiction TOS contains the caveat that claims it will not be held liable for such content posted by individual users; however, UF can still get sued, and posters can still get sued for libel. Mind Candy themselves have removed a topic on similar grounds (I believe) from their forums. (Here are some interesting case summaries.)

Issue 4: In most cases, the eBay seller cannot or wouldn't know to respond here to negative feedback and potential accusations. Or, if the eBay seller is an active UF user and PXC player, such reports could degenerate into a thread argument that really should be handled on eBay and through email.

That said, I think that a retailer review isn't intrinsically a bad idea. I'd love to know who has great shipping or sends freebies, or who doesn't have Wave 4 in. Due to the nature of such reviews as described above, though, which generally involve third-party sellers, I believe that they, if desired, should not be hosted on this site. Skenmy offered in IRC to look into adding a new section to Perplex City Trades for this, and if that happens I'll post an update.

Otherwise, I shall be locking this thread this evening (EDT). Not to delete - it will still be here to read. However, I'd like to ask anyone who has posted an eBay seller's specific username in previous pages of this thread to edit it out, if you could before then.

If you believe you or others have been the victim of false advertising, auction/retailer scams, etc, please take it up with the appropriate authorities, and let Mind Candy know about it. It will not be tolerated. Thank you.
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