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[Research] Raven & Mystes
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MageSteff
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 		[Research] Raven & Mystes
With the Mystes pointing to Ravens (Welcome Ravens)and the shortening of the days I thought [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_(mythology)]this wikipedia entry[/url]*(I can't figure out why the url tag isn't working, could someone please repair it? Thanks!)* was appropriate:

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Raven Steals the Sun
This is an ancient story told on Puget Sound and includes how Raven helped to bring the Sun, Moon, Stars, Fresh Water, and Fire to the world.

Long ago, near the beginning of the world, Gray Eagle was the guardian of the Sun, Moon and Stars, of fresh water, and of fire. Gray Eagle hated people so much that he kept these things hidden. People lived in darkness, without fire and without fresh water.

Gray Eagle had a beautiful daughter, and Raven fell in love with her. At that time Raven was a handsome young man. He changed himself into a snow-white bird, and as a snow-white bird he pleased Gray Eagle's daughter. She invited him to her father's longhouse.

When Raven saw the Sun, Moon and stars, and fresh water hanging on the sides of Eagle's lodge, he knew what he should do. He watched for his chance to seize them when no-one was looking. He stole all of them, and a brand of fire also, and flew out of the longhouse through the smoke hole. As soon as Raven got outside he hung the Sun up in the sky. It made so much light that he was able to fly far out to an island in the middle of the ocean. When the Sun set, he fastened the Moon up in the sky and hung the stars around in different places. By this new light he kept on flying, carrying with him the fresh water and the brand of fire he had stolen.

He flew back over the land. When he had reached the right place, he dropped all the water he had stolen. It fell to the ground and there became the source of all the fresh-water streams and lakes in the world. Then Raven flew on, holding the brand of fire in his bill. The smoke from the fire blew back over his white feathers and made them black. When his bill began to burn, he had to drop the firebrand. It struck rocks and hid itself within them. That is why, if you strike two stones together, sparks of fire will drop out.

Raven's feathers never became white again after they were blackened by the smoke from the firebrand. That is why Raven is now a black bird.


*edited for additional info*
Raven in Mythology

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the ravens of European mythology are invariably messengers, or an alternate shape for various deities and spirits, the most widely known being Bran and the Morrigan, and of course Odin.
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... Odin's ravens. Huginn and Muninn, we see at once a split between active and passive roles. Huginn is Thought, and Muninn is Memory, and Odin sends these two birds off around the world at daybreak, to bring him the daily news
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... The association of the birds with death and war is an obvious reflection of its tendency to eat carrion, plenty of which is to be found in the aftermath of battle. This tendency led, eventually, to the persecution of the raven, as a harbinger of doom and destruction, and also to the common notion in modern European culture that the main attribute of Crow and Raven is their connection with the Otherworld...
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The other main characteristic of Raven in Irish and Welsh myth is that of prophesy.

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A rather bizarre association is that of ravens and chess. In the Welsh "The Dream of Rhonabwy", Owain ap Urien and Arthur were playing a game which is thought to have been a chess equivalent. Three hundred ravens are mentioned in this tale as belonging to Owain, a gift from Cenferchyn. Arthur's men attacked the ravens during play, and eventually Owain told them to retaliate, upon which they attacked Arthur's men unmercifully. One of the pieces in chess is, of course, the rook, another member of the crow family (corvus frugilegus).

In Cervantes' "Don Quixote", the hero says that Arthur was not killed at all, but was turned into a raven. Arthur is also sometimes associated with the cult of Mithras, which was popular with the Roman legions. The cult organisation was based upon seven ranks that a worshipper could pass through, and the first of these was Raven. Emphasis is mine - Steff



*edited to make the thread title more appropriate.
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MageSteff
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 		With the Cult of Mithras leading us to know where we are on our journey of discovery:

Here is a look at the Temple

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The worshippers of Mithras were divided into seven grades, each marking a stage of knowledge in the cult's mysteries. An initiate started as Corax (the Raven), then moved progressively through the stages of Nymphus (bridegroom), Miles (soldier), Leo (lion), Perses (Persian), Heliodromus (Runner of the Sun) before reaching the ultimate grade of Pater (Father). Each grade wore a costume and headmask to symbolize his grade.


Hmm... Six masks... yet again...

and more from Wikipedia

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Some commentators surmise that the Mithraists worshipped Mithras as the mediator between Man and the supreme God of the upper and nether world. Other commentators, inspired by James Frazer's theories, have additionally labeled Mithras a mystery religion with a life-death-rebirth deity, comparable to Isis, the resurrected Jesus or the Persephone/Demeter cult of the Eleusinian Mysteries.


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The demise of Mithraism

Worship of the sun (Sol) did exist within the indigenous Roman pantheon, as a minor part, and always as a pairing with the moon. However, in the East, there were many solar deities, including the Greek Helios, who was largely displaced by Apollo. By the 3rd century, the popular cults of Apollo and Mithras had started to merge into the syncretic cult known as Sol Invictus, and in 274 AD the emperor Aurelian (whose mother had been a priestess of the sun) made worship of Sol Invictus official. Subsequently Aurelian built a splendid new temple in Rome, and created a new body of priests to support it (pontifex solis invicti), attributing his victories in the East to Sol Invictus. But none of this affected the existing cult of Mithras, which remained a non-official cult. Some senators held positions in both cults.

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 		A site I found that seems to explain alot about Mithaism.

[URL]http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/mithra.html[/url]

What caught my eye, admitedly though, was the main page URL of the site.
The page also has a bit more info on Corax and the other ranks than I've seen elsewhere, but not by much. It also has alot of links to other Mithras related things.

So I thought I might link it here.
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 		http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/mysteries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusinian_Mysteries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_religion
http://www.experiencefestival.com/mystes
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/mithra.html


Also this site is curious to me http://www.mystes.org/ it is a blank site but perhaps will be updated in the future?

Also here are some photos of modern day members of the Mysteries.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hobo_pd/131370654/in/set-72057594109568484/
Almost look like the KKK huh? Anyway just thought you guys might want to read up a little on our favorite cult

EDIT: I also found this "handbook" on the mytai in PDF format here http://www.kimantieau.com/files/Salmon.pdf
Enjoy
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 		Good job, Killalaz.

Killalaz wrote:
Also this site is curious to me http://www.mystes.org/ it is a blank site but perhaps will be updated in the future?


Whois info not typical for this PM so I'm gonna think this is OOG.

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 		unless that is what he WANTS us to think! Muhahah!
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 		Reference material for the Mystae Initiation
In the puzzle trail thread, Killalaz posted this link that may keep us in the right direction for our initiation:

http://www.farvardyn.com/mithras7.php

1. Corax, the Raven (Mercury)
2. Nymphus, the Bride (Venus)
3. Miles, the Soldier (Mars)
4. Leo, the Lion (Jupiter)
5. Perses, the Persian (Moon)
6. Heliodromus, the Courier of the Sun (Sun)
7. Pater, the Father (Saturn)
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 		I've also come across a book recently that talks about Mithraism and it's rites. I'll read through it and post what I find.
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