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Russell
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[04:58] nameerf25: hello
[04:58] *** Auto-response sent to nameerf25: I am currently away from the computer.
[05:07] nameerf25: Well incase you read this, Me and Anthony had another tiff.
[05:08] nameerf25: He wanted me to set his nose
[05:09] nameerf25: He wined like a baby so I walked away
[05:10] nameerf25: Then he gets called to the computer
[05:10] nameerf25: So I go and talk to Todd
[05:11] nameerf25: I decide to do a confestion
[05:11] nameerf25: Sorry that my hopes are not high
[05:13] nameerf25: I start to say my sins and I catch Beth trying to hear what I am saying
[05:13] nameerf25: So I freak out
[05:13] nameerf25: I don't mean to sound gay
[05:14] nameerf25: But it is hard for me to open up
[05:15] nameerf25: So then Anthony walks over and pushes me
[05:15] nameerf25: Telling me to chill and leave her alone
[05:16] nameerf25: I say this isn't your fight.
[05:16] nameerf25: So he pops me in the chest
[05:16] nameerf25: And he says "It is now."
[05:17] nameerf25: And then has this big speech about how he is now a lone wolf
[05:17] nameerf25: And how if you guys give him the word he will kill any of us.
[05:18] nameerf25: Thanks a lot for that by the way
[05:19] nameerf25: He then says he is getting back to his son no matter what.
[05:21] nameerf25: Then he walks over to the pink pill and says "this is mine, stop me and I'll kill you."
[05:21] nameerf25: He then puts it in his mouth
[05:22] nameerf25: And freaking Barry punches him in the back of the head
[05:23] nameerf25: The Pill falls out of his mouth and todd picks it up.
[05:24] nameerf25: Anthony turns and looks at Barry pissed off
[05:24] nameerf25: and I kicked him square in the balls
[05:25] nameerf25: not my best moment
[05:26] nameerf25: So as Anthony hit the floor I yell "Barry! Shoelaces!" He talks of his as do I and time up Anthony
[05:26] nameerf25: *takes
[05:26] nameerf25: *off
[05:26] nameerf25: *tie
[05:26] nameerf25: Damn I'm brain dead
[05:27] nameerf25: Beth even gave me hers
[05:27] nameerf25: We tie him and drag him into the corner
[05:28] nameerf25: Now he will take an pill we are going to give him
[05:28] nameerf25: Crazy here
[05:29] nameerf25: Hope life is good where you are
[05:31] *** "nameerf25" signed off at Thu Jul 27 05:31:39 2006.

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Lupan55
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Hey just stumbled on this the other day and read up on the goings on,
Well this pretty much takes off all speculation of Anthony being the one behind this and I would even give him The Father tag...
The mastermind behind this would already know which pill was poison and might put a strong fight for the two safe pills to keep off speculation, but to do something this drastic where his choice would be given up sounds more of a plea of a desperate man just wanting to go home. He might have snapped and gone crazy, but hes definitely not the one we are looking for. It does raise some speculation though of Todds title though, maybe hes not really what he says he is, making him the liar, or maybe he really is behind it... can't be too sure...
The Way I see it:
Beth - Doctor (seems to be a legit psychologist at least when dealing with others)
Anthony - Father (has gone crazy trying to get back to his kid)
Eric - Liar (haven't seen him to date do much of anything medical)
Barry - Shy (not many can figure him out since he keeps to himself)
Todd - Mastermind (He would be perfect since he has proven himself already to the others that he would give his life for the sake of everyone else)
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Candy - Whore (dead)
Blade - Already Dead (dead)
Kaite - Robot (this one im unsure, but maybe there is a way to find out, it may be a stretch but when she was dancing maybe she was doing the robot?)

Perhaps we can use Beth if she is a psychologist to try and see which one is lying Eric or Todd. If she could find out which is actually not telling the truth without them knowing, the other one would be the mastermind...

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I'd like to go on record now and say that they'll all end up aspects of the same multiple personality. I saw Identity last night. *halo*
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Lupan55 wrote:
Candy - Whore (dead)
Blade - Already Dead (dead)
Kaite - Robot (this one im unsure, but maybe there is a way to find out, it may be a stretch but when she was dancing maybe she was doing the robot?)


I thought Blade was the robot since she was really emotionless and Kaite was already dead. Either way, have any of you seen the movie Saw? This sounds similar.

Also, The Messege Center site spells it "lier", which would be one who lies as in laying on the ground, not one who tells untruths (liar). My guess is it's just a typo, though, since it seems that some people are lying about things.

I also agree that Todd should be at the top of the list. It seems too convenient that he was in the gallows and didn't die, he found the safe and cracked the code, and got the gun. He never explained how he heard the voice tell him the code. Maybe he's got dual personalities and doesn't even realize he's the mastermind.

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Just had a chat with Barry, they took the pills and Anthony died. We got it wrong and killed another innocent person.
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[23:43] tallerbird: so. any news on the pills?
[23:43] trappedbarry: We talked it over
[23:43] trappedbarry: and we will do whatever you guys say
[23:44] tallerbird: ok. well we don't know for sure which are the safe pills but we have some idea
[23:44] trappedbarry: After the Anthony's stunt everyone kinda wants pink
[23:45] tallerbird: from the info we have i think that blue and pink are safe
[23:46] tallerbird: how is everyone else doing?
[23:46] trappedbarry: I want to take the red pill and excape to the real world, but we don't have a red one
[23:46] tallerbird: lol
[23:46] trappedbarry: So I am thinking about taking the blue one so I can wak up in my bed and not remember this
[23:47] trappedbarry: So Todd is praying
[23:47] trappedbarry: Beth is doing sit ups
[23:48] trappedbarry: Anthony is tied up
[23:48] trappedbarry: Eric is walking back and forth
[23:49] tallerbird: who do you trust in there?
[23:49] *** caverrance has joined the chat.
[23:50] caverrance: thanks
[23:50] tallerbird: hi
[23:50] trappedbarry: all of them and none of them
[23:50] trappedbarry: it is to the point where I don't want to see anyone of them die
[23:50] trappedbarry: even if they did it
[23:50] trappedbarry: Beth said this happens to kidnapped peole
[23:51] trappedbarry: they start to like thier captor
[23:51] caverrance: the Helsinki syndrome
[23:51] trappedbarry: Something like that
[23:51] tallerbird: yeah i heard about that
[23:52] caverrance: any new developments?
[23:52] trappedbarry: If I had to make a list I would say I like Todd the most and Anthony the least
[23:52] tallerbird: why don't you like todd?
[23:53] trappedbarry: I do
[23:53] tallerbird: sorry didn't read it
[23:53] trappedbarry: it's ok
[23:53] tallerbird: I don't like anthony much but i don't think he is the one behind this
[23:53] trappedbarry: Then who is?
[23:54] tallerbird: we can't be sure at this point
[23:54] trappedbarry: Well we are trusting you when it comes to the pills
[23:55] caverrance: who has the pills now?
[23:55] trappedbarry: Me
[23:55] caverrance: *nod*
[23:55] tallerbird: do you know when you have to take them?
[23:56] trappedbarry: We all decided to take them while we are talking to you
[23:56] trappedbarry: We have like4 and a half hours left I think
[23:56] tallerbird: so we need to make a decision then
[23:56] trappedbarry: Yeah, but be sure you are ready
[23:57] caverrance: any new notes or information?
[23:57] trappedbarry: We decided we have to give Anthony's first because we might have to force it
[23:57] tallerbird: ok. we are talking about it now
[23:58] trappedbarry: no nothing
[23:58] caverrance: we don't know how fast acting the poison is, I guess
[23:58] trappedbarry: yeah
[23:58] trappedbarry: So what do you want me to do
[23:59] trappedbarry: I can give out the pills
[23:59] trappedbarry: I can ask people things
[23:59] trappedbarry: just give me the word
[23:59] caverrance: we've almost figured it out
[23:59] trappedbarry: ok
[00:00] trappedbarry: I'll tell them all to get thier water
[00:00] tallerbird: ok we have made a decision
[00:01] trappedbarry: Ok
[00:02] trappedbarry: start with Anthony please
[00:02] tallerbird: give Anthony the yellow pill
[00:02] trappedbarry: He will not be happy about that
[00:02] trappedbarry: This may take a moment
[00:02] tallerbird: ok
[00:03] *** Russellunfic has joined the chat.
[00:03] tallerbird: hi russ
[00:03] Russellunfic: go ahead
[00:03] tallerbird: barry has just gone to give anthony the yellow pill
[00:04] trappedbarry: Ok, he tried to fight it
[00:04] trappedbarry: got it down
[00:04] trappedbarry: Ok give me the rest
[00:05] tallerbird: Eric-blue, you-pink, Beth-green, Todd-black
[00:05] trappedbarry: ok
[00:06] trappedbarry: You made Eric smile
[00:06] Russellunfic: bet we did
[00:06] tallerbird: Tell them all that we are sorry if we are wrong
[00:06] trappedbarry: They didn't like that
[00:07] trappedbarry: Ha, Beth is safe
[00:07] trappedbarry: She said hers is a Tic-Tac
[00:07] Russellunfic: heh
[00:08] Russellunfic: any responses from the others
[00:08] trappedbarry: It is strange just sitting around waiting for one of us to die
[00:08] caverrance: or a sugar coated mint flavored cyanide pill....
[00:08] caverrance: could taste a lot like a tic tac
[00:09] trappedbarry: I don't think I'll tell Beth that
[00:09] tallerbird: best not to
[00:09] caverrance: just don't like the thought that she's happy when someone else is about to die too
[00:09] trappedbarry: Todd is coughing
[00:09] caverrance: choking maybe
[00:10] caverrance: someone ought to check just in case
[00:10] trappedbarry: and now he stopped
[00:10] caverrance: and make him take it again if he is
[00:10] Russellunfic: yes check to make sure he consumed it
[00:10] trappedbarry: Everyone got it down
[00:11] trappedbarry: Not feeling well guys
[00:11] tallerbird: Any of the pills could make people ill but not kill them. we have no idea what the "safe" pills are
[00:11] caverrance: psychosomatic
[00:11] trappedbarry: huh
[00:11] caverrance: or what tallerbird says
[00:12] caverrance: you're worried you took poison, so you feel ill
[00:12] trappedbarry: I hope so
[00:12] caverrance: depending on the poison, the person may never even feel sick.
[00:12] trappedbarry: Man it's hot
[00:13] tallerbird: is anyone else feeling ill?
[00:13] trappedbarry: Everyone is I guess
[00:13] trappedbarry: Maybe we are just worried
[00:14] trappedbarry: Wait
[00:14] trappedbarry: Anthony is foaming at he mouth
[00:14] trappedbarry: hold on
[00:17] tallerbird: what's going on?
[00:18] trappedbarry: Anthony is dead
[00:18] caverrance: I fear we were wrong.
[00:18] trappedbarry: Walls moving
[00:19] caverrance: are we sure there was only one poison pill?
[00:19] tallerbird: if blade's message was about the number of people to die each round then it should only be one
[00:19] trappedbarry: The note said one
[00:20] Russellunfic: walls moving?
[00:20] tallerbird: what is going on with the walls?
[00:20] trappedbarry: New note
[00:20] trappedbarry: oh and timer stopped
[00:20] tallerbird: what does it say?
[00:21] trappedbarry: "Down to 4 and you still have not killed me."
[00:21] tallerbird: we were wrong then
[00:21] trappedbarry: But by now you should have a good idea fo who I am
[00:22] trappedbarry: But now killing me will cost you
[00:22] trappedbarry: There are now two gas showers open to you
[00:23] trappedbarry: If you know who I am, put me in one of them
[00:23] trappedbarry: But the shower will not turn on unless there is someone in the other shower
[00:24] trappedbarry: My death will cost you one of your own
[00:24] tallerbird: that is not good
[00:24] trappedbarry: 2 will be freed or no one will
[00:25] trappedbarry: Man this sucks
[00:25] caverrance: and if we're wrong again...
[00:25] tallerbird: do you have to do this now?
[00:26] trappedbarry: Hey there is a 50 50 shot at this point
[00:26] trappedbarry: Well really a 66% because I know it wasn't me
[00:26] trappedbarry: well the timer stopped so no
[00:26] tallerbird: good
[00:27] trappedbarry: speaking of timer, just came up on the computer
[00:27] trappedbarry: gonna get the boot
[00:27] caverrance: ok
[00:27] tallerbird: you need to help us out with this barry. you need to try and find out as much as you can about the others
[00:27] caverrance: good luck
[00:27] tallerbird: and let us know next time we chat
[00:27] trappedbarry: like what?
[00:28] tallerbird: anything you can
[00:28] Russellunfic: just mannerisms the little things
[00:29] trappedbarry: Ok hope we can talk soon
[00:29] tallerbird: good luck barry
[00:29] trappedbarry: One more thing
[00:29] *** trappedbarry has left the chat.


And an email from Todd. It was sent before the chat but i didn't recieve it until after.
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Hi Claire. Things are bad here. The timer on the bomb has started. We have 12 hours left. At first people were freaking out, but now people are enjoying knowing the passing of time. We gave all the pills to Barry. No one really seems to trust him after he attacked Anthony out of no where, but we all feel like he takes this "game" very seriously, so none of of think he do anything. We decided that we are all just going to stay way from each other till either we only have 2 hours left, or someone is talking to you people directly.

I am getting depressed with all this death around. I just keep remembering that it is darkest before the dawn. I remember once I was in a hospital room giving Last Rights to a young girl named Kate Vic. She had been in a car accident and had been in a coma for about 3 months, and her family was going to pull the plug. I did the Last Rights and the family were waiting till three o' clock to pull the plug, but her brother Gary wasn't there yet. So when the clock struck 3, we waited. We then got the call that Gary also got into a car crash in the same spot as Kate. He was okay, but still my heart went out to this family who has been though so much. But then at 5 o' clock when the brother got there finally, Kate woke up. She turned out to be fine, but had we had pulled the plug 2 hours ago, she would have died. So out of darkness, came light. This story keeps me going, knowing that anything could happen.

I have fate in you, and I will trust anything you choice for us to do. I can't speek for the others, but I trust you.

God Bless,
Todd


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Lupan55
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Alright after seeing this I think the most logical thing to do is find out who is the killer between Beth Eric and Barry. The reason why I only say them is the one that is either a Sinner or a Saint, Todd should be the second to go in. He already said he didn't want to see anyone else die so he would sacrifice himself for the sake of the other two. This wouldn't be a concidered suicide more then being a martyr to save the two innocent people, or maybe he is the killer and just him alone is the right decision. As for the first three the highest on my speculation is Eric or Beth. Just because they are both doctors doesnt mean one doctor couldnt also be the mastermind. Though I could be terribly wrong, and maybe Beth is the shy one and Barry is the one seeking us out to keep the speculation off him.

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I email Todd and Beth and asked them to find out info on the others. I just got my reply from Todd.
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Hello. I asked God for help on this. I had a dream. It was of Eric and Beth dieing in the shower. Then Barry laughing. He then takes out a gun and kills me. I woke up in a cold sweat. After that I decided to have a talk with Barry. He got real uncomfortable, and would not look me in the eye. I asked a bunch of questions and he was being real dodgy. However I heard him say "All I know is I don't want to go back to jail." When I say what for he said "Oh nothing, I have to go." Where? We are trapped in a room! The way I see it Barry has to go, and I am willing to go in with him.

God Bless,
Todd


I think that Anthony was the father. He wasn't shy, wasn't a doctor and he never gave us any info about him so he didn't have any opportunity so lie.

That leaves us with doctor, shy, liar and killer.
Eric: Said he is a doctor, so he is either the doctor or the liar.
Beth: Doesn't appear to be shy, website says she is a doctor of psychiatry. She could be the doctor, liar or killer.
Todd: Says he's a priest, seems shy. Could be liar, shy or killer.
Barry: Seems shy. Could be liar, shy or killer.

I think we should have Todd go in one, he could be the killer and has also volunteered, we just need to decide who to put in the other one. It's between Beth and Barry. I think we need to decide by tonight so please i need ideas.

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I still believe its Todd, he was instrumental in two deaths, which had been predicted by the mastermind. Noone has pressured him into being in these positions but he always seems to be there. Todd gets my vote. Heck we killed someones dad so weve got nothing to lose. Laughing

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I came in on this one pretty late, but I actually really like it. It's moving rather quickly and there was a lot of opportunity for character interaction for everybody who's not into the whole puzzle-solving aspect of ARGs.
Too bad it never made it into the "ARGs with Potential"-section, as it seems to be almost over now. Maybe "The Room of Doom" would have been a more attractive name than "The Message Center" to lure players in...

Anyway, for this final stage (and to take some of the weight of tallerbird's shoulders Wink ), here's the way I see it:

Eric: Liar (Clearly, he's the liar. He couldn't fix Anthony's nose and referred to himself as a "real" doctor, which a "real" doctor wouldn't do.)
Beth: Doctor (Well, if it's not Eric, it's gotta be her.)
Barry: Shy (Stutter and everything...though he might be the killer.)
Todd: Killer (A lot of things point to him...e.g. "He who cheats death shall bring death.", his shhh-message: "If I live till there is only two I win.",etc.)

I think this was made pretty obvious...when Blade turned out to be the robot (rather blatant, with wires inside of her), I think the list was mostly well accounted for.

So, assuming Todd is the killer, here's my take on it:

Reread Todd's last mail, the story about the girl and "not pulling the plug". I think the characters should refuse to enter the showers and they will all go free! The killer has always been in control, his goal has always been to win, and we and the characters have been playing his game. So what is there to lose? If he want's everybody dead, he will find a way...I think the only way out is to stop playing his game!

If the characters don't refuse to make a choice unanimously, I think they should vote wether to put somebody in the showers or not. If not, we'll see what happens. If they do put somebody in the showers, I think it should be Todd and Barry...this way I'm pretty sure the killer will be one of them. (Or the PM will change the killer to be one of the two who don't end up in the shower...so I'd prefer the first option.)

Anyway, I guess the decision is up to whoever ends up chatting to the characters...let's hope for the best!
Oh yeah, and thanks to tallerbird and all of you guys for keeping this one alive up till now and to the PM for creating an ARG with some rather well-written characters instead of AIs in it.

So, let's see how it ends...

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GuyIncognito wrote:
Reread Todd's last mail, the story about the girl and "not pulling the plug". I think the characters should refuse to enter the showers and they will all go free! The killer has always been in control, his goal has always been to win, and we and the characters have been playing his game. So what is there to lose? If he want's everybody dead, he will find a way...I think the only way out is to stop playing his game!


I am reminded of theCarer, in which players were told to decide between saving the life of one character they'd been interacting with, or the lives of seven (I think?) other characters.

The players refused to choose.

The PMs killed all the characters. (If I recall correctly...it was a while ago.)

So, careful. They may call your bluff. Wink
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Well there is a bomb in the room and so far every time we have had to make a decision on who to die next the timer has started. The timer only stopped when someone died so i don't think refusing to do it will work.

Also, it might not matter who we kill, the PM's might have decided that the killer will live and might decide who the killer will be out of the final 2.

I'm still waiting for a reply from Beth, hopefully she will have some useful information for us.

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Phaedra wrote:
I am reminded of theCarer, in which players were told to decide between saving the life of one character they'd been interacting with, or the lives of seven (I think?) other characters.

The players refused to choose.

The PMs killed all the characters. (If I recall correctly...it was a while ago.)

So, careful. They may call your bluff. Wink


Good point, but I'm talking about the characters refusing to chose. If they want to play the killer's game, our choice is pretty much clear. Let Todd + X (preferably Barry) have it! Smile

And also, if the killer wants to call the "bluff", at least he'll be in the room with them when the bomb goes off! This way he only wins a little... Wink

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I agree with putting Todd and Barry in the showers. Todd seems a little too reflective about the entire situation. It might make sense if he really is a Father, but if he's not, then it would make sense in a sick way, like he's trying to prove a point and justify why he's doing it. It's also possible that Barry's the killer, as he seems tempermental, but I'm still putting money on Todd as the killer.

I agree with GuyIncognito about who is who.

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tallerbird wrote:
Well there is a bomb in the room and so far every time we have had to make a decision on who to die next the timer has started. The timer only stopped when someone died so i don't think refusing to do it will work.


Yeah, but we never let the timer reach zero, so we don't know if the bomb would have gone off.

Anyway, I just think we should at least present the characters with the option of refusing. Just to give a feeling of control over the situation back to them. If they don't want to risk it, okay. Shower away! Smile

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I know who it is. It's Beth.
She just updated her site.
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Ok so I got the e-mail. Todd came up to me and said that he talked to Barry. He said that Barry went to jail before. I didn't really understand why it matters. But for the hell of it, I talked to Barry. He denied flat out. Barry is so awkward, so he is so hard to read. I can't be sure if he is telling the truth or not. I honestly, in my gut, feel like Eric and Barry should go into the showers. That is untill Todd once again volentered. I am so sick of his Brier Rabbit "Don't throw me in the brier patch" crap. As soon as he said that I saw in Barry's and Eric's face that both of them then thought that Todd was not the killer. That means that both of them think it is me. Great.

That Damn Eric. He is acting really weird. He keeps talking to himself and staring at me. It looks like he is planing something big. I don't know what, but it is really bothering me. I decided to try to talk to him, and all I got was, "Not now Beth, I need to figure soemthing out, I'm sorry."

We had a mass for Anthony. I got really upset. I consitered him a friend. And to be honest, I'm pissed off at you people. We trusted you with our lives, and you got one of us killed. A man with a son. What is wrong with you people! You think this is some game! Well don't think you can gamble with our lives and just brush it off!


I'll try and explain why it's Beth. Please feel free to poke holes in my theory.

Father- Must be Anthony as i explained earlier.
Liar- Must be either Barry or Todd because Todd said Barry has been in jail and Barry is denying it. One of them is a liar.
Doctor- Eric. Because the liar must be Barry or Todd then Eric must be telling the truth.
Shy- Will be Barry or Todd. The others are not shy.
Killer- By a process of elimination the killer has to be Beth.

I say we should put Beth and Todd in the gas showers.

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