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[hex] 236 - Swarms

**Posted:** Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:27 pm

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**Posted:** Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:07 am

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Rand0m · Decorated Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 271 Location: London

I thought later - the 'sibling rivaly' could be a reference to the fact that both fleets had a ship called Neptune. (Actually there were three, the Spanish had Neptuno, but only two with the exact same name.) That could mean the required numbers include their positions in the two sides' lines, their casualties (both were in the thick of it) or their number of guns.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:11 am

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Sammykat · Boot Joined: 03 Jul 2006 Posts: 40

Hmm. I don't know if this is even possible, as I don't know about naval battles etc..but could the ships have had a number on the fleet rosta and its asking for the number of the 2 similarly named ships?

Or, there are ships named with some mythological tie-in like Neptune, aka Posiedon, son of Cronus and Rhea. Their children were Demeter, Hestia, Hera, Hades, Poseidon and Zeus.

Possibly barking up the wrong tree but Neptune made me think of gods.

**Posted:** Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:52 am

Kradlum · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Location: London

I tried the numbers for 2 of the Neptunes, and then the 2 flagships, but neither worked.

Were there any well-known brothers fighting on opposite sides in this battle?

**Posted:** Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:16 pm

makomk · Boot Joined: 11 Jul 2006 Posts: 56

Ah, that's better. (Please delete if/when the original poster puts his image the right way up.)

**Posted:** Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:39 pm

sci fi · Kilroy Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 2

I've had some thoughts about this card going in a different direction. I've been thinking sibling rivalry as an altruism thing. Honey bees and Fire ants both have queens. Reproductive SWARMING occurs when a portion of the colony leaves to produce a new colony. Sibling rivalry in a basic sense is the natural jealousy of a child to a "new" sibling. If the ants and bees represent nations fighting over land, maybe the question is who was there first?

**Posted:** Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:44 pm

Kradlum · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Location: London

Could it be the number of ships lost/surviving on each side? I'm blocked until later so I can't check that one.

**Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:42 am

Rand0m · Decorated Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 271 Location: London

/me has another thought about the 'sibling rivalry'.

Nelson referred to his captains as his "band of brothers". Dunno where that fits in, of course... must get hold of a copy of this card!

**Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:01 am

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Kradlum · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Location: London

Von's hint:

**Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:08 pm

Kradlum · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Location: London

It's not

**Posted:** Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:14 pm

Kradlum · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 69 Location: London

And Von's hint has that typo in, so it may be significant.

**Posted:** Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:53 am

threadingham · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 12

I think it is definitely to do with the Battle of Trafalgar due to the formation shown on the card. If you notice some of the ants have "F" on them which I think indicates that they are the French ships. I am now locked out of the card for 24 hours as it is not the 2 French and Spanish Ant flagships. Anyone else got any further with this yet?

**Posted:** Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:59 am

Snr Weaver · Boot Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 30

just a thought, but why use bees and ants for a battle at sea? Bees imply that flight may be involved.

Or am I just being over critical of the analogy.

**Posted:** Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:59 am

threadingham · Boot Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 12

Bees and ants are used for the symbology because they use swarming in battle which is now a recognised military tactic which was used at Trafalgar.

**Posted:** Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:00 am