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[Hex Set] Silver #235 - Circuitous
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almagest
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Does anyone have anything to say in favour of this card? For goodness sake, the required answer is not even his first name (it is his third)!

The detailed circuit on the card appears to be a red herring. Instead, it is intended to indicate electric circuit theory in a vague kind of way. There are then at least a dozen, and arguably two dozen or more, better candidates. So you are supposed to keep guessing until you get the right answer. This is ludicrous (although no worse than 225 or 233).

Or have I missed something?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:26 am
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obrienk wrote:
ramsfan wrote:
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Thanks.If only I hadn't tried Pierre Laplace as soon as I got home. Locked out for 17 hours, but at least I know the answer.


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ooh, very close. laplace transform would have been my next hint


here's the answer, so don't click unless you really want to know

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http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Circuit_Theory/Fourier_Transform


*Sigh*

I thought it was him last Friday, but
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thought Joseph would be too easy of an answer as it is so common, so I tried Jean after variants of Ampere's names were no good.
I was then locked out and went to San Francisco for the live event and didn't try again...
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Agent Lex
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almagest wrote:
Or have I missed something?

I haven't been following this thread very closely, since I don't have the card, but I reckon you might have gotten the wrong <spoiler>, and got it from a lucky guess. Unless anyone can show how the diagram actually translates into his story.

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rosemary
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I thought Mooch had it with his explanation of the resistor figures.
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Fourier
was listed in Wikipedia as being responsible for the discovery of
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the Greenhouse effect.


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Cinana
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Fourier
was the first person I had come across that could actually fit parts of the clues on the card.

I really had my heart stuck on Edwin Armstrong because his inventions and story of his life fit every aspect of the card. Thus this is why I wrote a few pages back that the answer could not be a french person.

Personally, I am in favor of this card. Even if i don't agree with the answer being a first name (when indeed it was the 3rd). Even if you take into effect the other possible persons it could have been.

Ultimately we came up with the answer. One day, maybe Mind Candy will provide a short explanation to the reasoning behind this and a couple other cards that we are vague about understanding how WE came up with the answer.

So I vote for this card. I enjoyed it. it gave me the most enjoyment.

ps.
Notice how many other inventors out there have the exact same name as our guy? But just a change for surname, or even a small change for middle.
It could/can be any one of those guys. Just depends on how you interpret the card and the clues.

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almagest
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Agent Lex wrote:
almagest wrote:
Or have I missed something?

I haven't been following this thread very closely, since I don't have the card, but I reckon you might have gotten the wrong <spoiler>, and got it from a lucky guess. Unless anyone can show how the diagram actually translates into his story.


Yes, I got it from a lucky guess. Or rather, I didn't, because I tried the 1st name, which was rejected. Later, others' spoilers encouraged me to try again with the 3rd name.

But that is exactly my point. *Everyone* seems to have got this either by lucky (or systematic) guessing, or by using spoilers from others. No one seems to have got it any other way. So either it is a hopeless card, or we have all missed something! At the moment it certainly looks like the former.

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almagest
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[quote="Cinana"]
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Fourier
was the first person I had come across that could actually fit parts of the clues on the card.

What parts does it fit?! [That aren't fitted better by Ohm or Kirchhoff, for example]

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AngusA
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Cinana wrote:
ps.
Notice how many other inventors out there have the exact same name as our guy? But just a change for surname, or even a small change for middle.
It could/can be any one of those guys. Just depends on how you interpret the card and the clues.


It makes me wonder whether there is any significance to the answer. Why ask for the first name instead of the surname? Maybe the answers are used in a meta puzzle?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:07 pm
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Cinana
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From wiki search on Ohm's law.

"What is known today as Ohm's law was proposed by the physicist Georg Simon Ohm. In 1826 he gave a mathematical description of conduction in circuits based on Fourier's study of heat conduction..."

Lots of reading, clicking on extra links, etc.


Like I said: It's all in how you interpret the card. For some, they saw one thing, that I can not understand, and others can't see my reasoning.

I honestly believe the answer should have been Edwin Armstrong.

I kept seeing "resistors" I visualize them on a board, like a mother-board. They generate heat. etc etc.

/shrug

Perception is an odd thing.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:52 pm
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relissh
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perhaps when (if!) the cube is found, MC will put up some explantions to the puzzles?

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Furry Mark
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almagest wrote:
Does anyone have anything to say in favour of this card? For goodness sake, the required answer is not even his first name (it is his third)!

It is the custom in parts of Europe to put the "first" name (the one everyone calls you by) next to the surname, so maybe that is the source of the confusion - or maybe we have the wrong person but the right name... Rolling Eyes

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Ringtail
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Everyone seems to be getting the correct first name but there seems to be a lot of dissagreement over who it's actually supposed to be and how it links in with the puzzle.

When I guessed the answer I was working along the thought pattern that the circuit we were looking at was

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a very early version of a telephone circuit with a speaker and a light in the stage of transition between telegram and the modern phone.


This lead me to investigate the history of the phone and I came up with the quote..

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"But for Joseph Henry, I would never have gone ahead with the telephone." - Alexander Graham Bell


and after further researching on this name I discovered...

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In 1893, Joseph Henry's name was given to the standard electrical unit of inductive resistance, the "henry."


Which made perfect sense considering Von's clue.

It worked for me and if you can prove me wrong please do so we can all learn something. Smile

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AngusA
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Nice one Ringtail. That sounds fairly plausable. I went down the telegraph route and was convinced it was Gauss.

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obrienk
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to be fair, that makes far more sense than my answer

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almagest
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Hmmm. Well inductance makes more sense than heat, I suppose. At least the counting works.

I am not sure about the early circuit stuff - as many people have pointed out, it is an obvious nonsense circuit

I still think this is a fairly awful puzzle.

Indeed, it is distressing that PC's idea of hard puzzles seems to be either (1) requires a large number of guesses, or (2) requires a large amount of computer time. If you look at the silvers as a whole, there are not many puzzles I would call good! (Unless, that is, we are missing something on the unsolved ones).

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