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taniwha · Boot Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 40

I'm no arborist, but aren't there a lot of leaves on the ground for that picture to have been taken near the Cascade Range in Washington state? Aren't most of the trees in that region coniferous?

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:56 pm

trip · Veteran Joined: 17 Oct 2003 Posts: 128

So, a few things here.

Firstly, doesn't this correspond with xnbomb's tracking of paranormal events? He was predicting an event in Oregon or Washington on Oct. 31, no?

Next, I agree the guy is there on purpose. They could have easily photoshopped him out if they really wanted to.

So, we are supposed to see the guy. Why? Perhaps we are supposed to get the impression that Oregon Vortex is faking the photos.

Maybe the "event" was real, but they couldn't get any photos, so they decided to fake one to "prove" it happened? But they did a lousy job?

I don't really buy the theory that the guy was trying to touch it. If that were the case, there wouldn't be the apparent attempt to hide him, in my opinion.

I'm sure we'll get more info on this, but I think the important thing to take away from this is that an event occured in the predicted place at the predicted time.

trip

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:09 pm

SnakeGhost · Boot Joined: 08 Oct 2003 Posts: 13

Did anyone try to find stegging :?:

I am not literate in that respect so I will leave it to the professionals.

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:24 pm

bakntime

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:39 pm

Azathoth666

Same problem using jphide here as with breaking October 1 paintover: there's just too many possibilities for us to accurately guess without a clue.

I don't have jphide on my work computer here, but has anyone tried the obvious like "halloween", and variations on that theme? It might turn out nothing, but still...

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:50 pm

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I don't doubt that the "hiding" person was meant to be seen. Even amateurs wouldn't make such a stupid mistake. Come on, I'm assuming they check these pictures before posting them. And they know that the players who have been able to pick up things like some guy's face hidden deep in the background will definitely see some guy who either should have lost a little more weight or found a bigger tree to hide behind.

Beth has been questioning if this was a hoax in the email she sent to us "Are one of you pulling this?" (not the exact words obviously).

Now.... Matrix. At first, yes, I thought matrix. Then maybe this is just a story about paranormal activities. But everything seemed the story just made too many connections with the digital world. Beth standing half in/half out of her tent and bats flying through the trunk of a tree certainly sounded a lot like the scene in "Beyond" when a bunch of papers were blowing through the walls.

Then she brought up "hoax". And even though part of me said, "how in God's name could someone pull something like that even if they were David-f*ckin Copperfield", the thought did enter my mind then. And now of course I go to the news site at Cascade Vortex and see some guy trying futily to hide behind a tree, and his hand is up either catching a ball or throwing it. And I thought, maybe this is all a hoax. Maybe somehow someone is projecting some holographic images which would explain how Beth is standing half in/half out of a tent. And maybe the green glow might not be a glitch in the matrix, but a glitch in the technology used to produce this hoax. This is a very shaky theory, and I just put it together now.

One thing though, the hand. Why is it not blurred and yet the glowing object used in the hoax (if we are to assume this is a hoax) is? If the hand is active in catching and throwing the object back and forth, shouldn't the hand be blurred itself? I'm not a photo geek, so I don't know all the tricks that can be done with the camera. I just have a dinky little thing, and if stuff is going to fast, it appears blurred. Where's that "photo freak"? Maybe he can help with this.

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:35 pm

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Ahriman answers most of the photo-related "how was it done" questions on Page one... and props to him for a job well done.

Having read his explanation of things, I'm tending to think the person-behind-the-tree is deliberate: I agree with you Niobex, the PMs couldn't possibly be stupid enough to everlook something like that.

Dunno what the significance is though...

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:56 pm

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critter42 · Greenhorn Joined: 17 Oct 2003 Posts: 5

[Edit - I re-read the first page again, and see that it's already been stated how the picture was done. Keep reading if you want to see what happens when someone doesn't pay attention Smile

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I have to disagree with everyone about the person being there on purpose - or at least that the person has to be posed like that.

It IS very possible for the person to be still, but the light to be streaked like that, using only a regular 35mm camera w/a flash. If the the shutter is set for 3-4 seconds and low speed film is used, the result will be just like what is seen in the photo. The shutter opens and the flash fires for 1/60th (or whatever the flash speed is), "freezing" the person behind the tree. However, the shutter stays open after the light fades, and because it is a low-speed film, only the bright light source (the glowstick or whatever) continues to be captured by the film.

For a clear example of this, check out the photos at the bottom of this page:
http://www.randi.org/jr/060603.html

critter42

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:15 pm

xnbomb

Near the Cascade Vortex

**Posted:** Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:37 pm

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True... it is possible (probable, even) that paranormal events can happen in multiple places at the one time, but only a handful (or just one) is of any significance in the greater pattern. This is confirmed by Randoms' paintover posting that Caesar nearly "fell into the trap".

(of course, assuming C and Random were the kids Beth mentions, it's possible C and Random are also plotting these events. In which case, C potentially got his calculations wrong and Random "brought him home" to the right place... wow... I think I like how that sounds)

**Posted:** Fri Nov 07, 2003 12:17 am

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HaZy · Boot Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 15

Don't know if anyone had noticed a figure on the right side of the vortex halloween pic follow the tree trunk that looks like a bridge behind the 2 trees and it is to the right of it in the dark patch, at first I thought it might be beth in between the dimensions but it looks more vampirish today notice the collar part like batwings Embarassed

can anyone else see this? Is it of any significance?

parthalloween

**Posted:** Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:31 am

vanman0254 · Boot Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 22

i think you're loosing it

**Posted:** Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:47 pm

XtRaVa

oh...my...god

go to bed...now

**Posted:** Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:09 pm

bakntime

**Posted:** Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:37 pm

WedgeGold

Nope

**Posted:** Wed Nov 12, 2003 2:52 pm

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