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[WATER] #223 - Secret Location
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PerplexHero
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BBuck wrote:
Just started looking at the book code/cipher. I think that the numbers have to represent letters rather than words.


They could easily represent entire words rather than just the first letter of the word.

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PerplexHero
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 		Just had a crazy thought...

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I notice that the numbers appear on the card in such a way that there are never more than 5 numbers on each line (exactly 4 or 5). There are also 5 books mentioned in this puzzle. What if it is a Beale cipher where a letter (or word) is drawn from each of these 5 books in sequence, starting over with the first book on each line?

Does anyone have all 5 books to check this out?


-PerplexHero

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BBuck
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PerplexHero wrote:
BBuck wrote:
Just started looking at the book code/cipher. I think that the numbers have to represent letters rather than words.


They could easily represent entire words rather than just the first letter of the word.


Not easily at all. Taking 56 words from 100 already in a narrative order, then reordering them into something that makes a different narrative sense is not easy. Yes, it is possible. But I think on the basis of the short range of numbers in this code, far less likely than representing letters.

Btw, I found your post quite dismissive/rude in tone. Not sure if that was your intention, but it came across that way.

I've been wondering if there is any significance to the inclusion of "6". All the other numbers are in the range of 100. Could this be a chapter or page reference?

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BBuck wrote:
Not easily at all. Taking 56 words from 100 already in a narrative order, then reordering them into something that makes a different narrative sense is not easy. Yes, it is possible. But I think on the basis of the short range of numbers in this code, far less likely than representing letters.

I agree. 56 words out of 100 means that you would have almost the same content. And because they are in a different order it would probably make it gibberish. So it is much more likely the numbers represent characters (of each word in the text).

There is also the possibility that each number represents a characters (first character of each word) but that these letters combined are a code: possibly to be decoded by the keyed deck or some other method.


BBuck wrote:
I've been wondering if there is any significance to the inclusion of "6". All the other numbers are in the range of 100. Could this be a chapter or page reference?

Yeah. Its kinda strange. Maybe its the only "Z" or "Q" or something?

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 		Attached are scans of the first pages of

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Henrietta's House and the alternate edition, The Blue Hills


in case anyone is trying the 5 books approach
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PerplexHero
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BBuck wrote:
Taking 56 words from 100 already in a narrative order, then reordering them into something that makes a different narrative sense is not easy. Yes, it is possible. But I think on the basis of the short range of numbers in this code, far less likely than representing letters.

Interesting. You could be right there. My point was more that we shouldn't completely discount the possibility.
BBuck wrote:

Btw, I found your post quite dismissive/rude in tone. Not sure if that was your intention, but it came across that way.

That really wasn't the intention. I'm sorry if it came across that way. Chalk it up to the brevity of the comment, I guess.
BBuck wrote:

I've been wondering if there is any significance to the inclusion of "6". All the other numbers are in the range of 100. Could this be a chapter or page reference?

I think the idea of it being a chapter is more reasonable than a page number if you consider that a book might have multiple editions (hardback, trade paperback, paperback) where the words on a particular page might change.

-PerplexHero

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PerplexHero
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zepheria wrote:
Attached are scans of the first pages of ... in case anyone is trying the 5 books approach


Thanks zepheria. Anyone have a scan of #2 and #5? I have the others now.

Also, another spec... could we be overthinking this and perhaps they are PXC card numbers?

-PerplexHero

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GuyIncognito
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doublecross wrote:
It doesn't work with the titles of the puzzle cards either.

Trout Would you like some fries with that?

And BTW, it also doesn't work with the text from our newly found libraryofbabel/Waking page...

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PerplexHero
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 		Guy, just because it's not the titles does not mean that they can't be card numbers. For instance:

  • Numbers could "connect the dots" when the cards are laid out according to the card grid?
  • Could be a diagonal index (first letter of first card, second letter of next card etc)
  • Could be the number is both a card number and an index into the card etc.

Don't have my cards here to check any of those right now.

-PerplexHero

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 		I didn't catch these lines of thoughts from your initial question...hence the trout! Maybe you could have elaborated a bit?

But seeing as you are well beyond that point, I'll have that delicious trout myself then. Smile (Although, as it is meant as further encouragement for more creative thinking - which you have already done a lot of, PerplexHero, don't get me wrong - we might as well share!)

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 		- never mind, I read too quickly and thought *I* was being trouted! -
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 		maybe the numbers should be read up and down and not right to left
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DarkHuman
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 		noope, still garbaled letters, what we need......... is the key. Rolling Eyes
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DarkHuman
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 		OK, emailed PXC this a while ago:
DarkHuman wrote:
Hello Perplex city customer support. I've been working on card #223, secret location for quite some time. (i've gotten credit on pxc.com for solving the card.) but what's bugging me the most, is the apparent Beale Cipher on the card. I've tried just about everything (i can send you a list of the 25+ books) but nothing matches. Any way you could point me in the right direction of what book or "other" I need to find. I've tried contacting Kurt, Scarlett, Caine, the brotherhood, and no one even gets back with me. (origionaly i thought i needed the PXC version of the declaration of independence, but i can't find any info anywhere.) Thanks much for your time and help!
-Darkhuman


and today, i got back this:
Perplex city customer services wrote:
Hi Mr Human,

I'm afraid the numbers you speak of appear to be some kind of image
artefact in the original files provided to us by the Academy. They're
investigating the problem, and our current best guess is that it's a
production error on their end. Needless to say we apologise if this
"cipher" has spoilt your enjoyment of this card!

Best regards and happy puzzling,

Guy @ Perplex City Customer Services

"artefact"?

so the beale code is also "mistake" on pxc's end??! UHHHHH, does that mean it's a PXC beale code??! Confused

"Mr. Human" Laughing
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GuyIncognito
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 		Good to see you're still on this, Mr. Human!

As Guy's response most probably implies, the Beale-numbers were put on the card by our new chum CT.
So it figures that he might have used a text which is related to him in some way for his cypher.

Well...as I just now startlingly discovered, it's NOT the transcription of the libraryofbabel-leaves texts (nor the transcription of the libraryofbabel-Waking text, nor the Library of Babel by Borges, as I already stated above)...

Sooo...ideas, anyone?

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