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Dr3dg
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 		Just got this.... no clue what it means

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S1547NY5: pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]+#chr( 13 )#
and again he was on
Quote:
S1547NY5 (10:07:24 PM): pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]#



woot...double woot

PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:01 am
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potostfbeyeluvr
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 		Synthesis was just on AIM... Here's all they said:

Quote:
me: Hello
S1547NY5: pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]+#chr( 13 )#


Not sure what it means, because html, or whatever this is, isn't my area of knowledge. But I'm sure someone here can make sense of it.

Edit: Got beaten to it. Nice work.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:03 am
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 		[22:00] S1547NY5: pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]+#chr( 13 )#
[22:01] HCON1277: hm?
[22:01] *** "S1547NY5" signed off at Thu Aug 24 22:01:06 2006.

Me too....

Edit: Back on again... they weren't figuring on trillian, I don't think...

[22:07] S1547NY5: pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]#
[22:07] HCON1277: you're back
[22:07] HCON1277: this doesn't make sense
[22:07] *** "S1547NY5" signed off at Thu Aug 24 22:07:48 2006.
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potostfbeyeluvr
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 		My googling skills indicate that this code is from a fairly well-known script writing program called 'ColdFusion,' and it is used to remove 'whitespace' which is all spaces, tabs, and line skips. Maybe we're to take out the spaces from the non-prime numbers? I'm not sure. And my googling could have turned up something faulty.

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 		I hadn't said anything to Synthesis either time they logged on, but the second time, I was IMed by them and given a message. Here it is, in full.

Quote:
S1547NY5: Synthesis is presently displeased at the progress of the uncovering of the level 2 puzzle. This is due to the effects of paraedolia and groupthink leading in the wrong direction. The level 2 is meant for 10 years olds. This will also affect the timetable of the message importance and may adversely affect future progress. The effects of Travis spread out like water ripples, ever widening. This is why he must be neutralized. Please note that this message needs to be disbursed within the group. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
S1547NY5 signed off at 11:54:23 PM.


Not sure what that means exactly, but they said it needed to be dispersed within the group, so...
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negativeview
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 		I had the same IM waiting on me when I got home. Regular expressions (the RE from the reReplace) are one of my specialties. First, it's not completely correct, but I don't think that's meant as a clue. Also, it's in ColdFusion, which is new to me. ColdFusion seems to have a few quirks of its own which will affect my parsing.

It's more than just taking spaces off the end of a line. He has a ">" in there. I keep looking for some special meaning of that character, unique to ColdFusion but it doesn't seem to be true.

The best I can tell, it means to strip any spaces between the > character and a newline in pageContent. This seems strange, as there are no > characters in the number puzzle. I'm missing something.

The current puzzle only appears on Travis' blog, where Synthesis was unable to put in any formatting puzzles (and I gave it a brief glance anyway earlier). Grr.

[Edit: On second thought, it's obviously a cheap and buggy way to try not to strip too much whitespace when used in ColdFusion by only stripping the end of a line if the line also ends in the right half of a tag. So I put my support behind the previous google answer, it simply means to strip whitespace at the end of a line. Still, what line?]

Edit edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

Quote:
...describes a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being mistakenly perceived as recognizable. Common examples include images of animals or faces in clouds, seeing the man in the moon, and hearing messages on records played in reverse. The word comes from the Greek para- – amiss, faulty, wrong – and eidolon – image, the diminutive of eidos – appearance, form.


Okay, no images.

Edit Edit Edit: My god I write too much. I know what's bothering me! reReplace needs at least three pieces of information: the text you're working on. In this example it's whatever pageContent refers to; a regular expression that tells what piece of the text you want to replace, in this case it's the garbledegook that you need to be a programmer to understand; the third piece is what to replace that with. We've been assuming, because it's common, that we want to replace the whitespace with a blank string. Synthesis didn't actually specify what to replace the spaces with.

I can see two possibilities. Either Synthesis doesn't actually know cold fusion and it was a mistake. I find this unlikely as Synthesis hasn't so far spoken of anything they didn't seem to know intimately. OR it's left off on purpose. So the whitespace is to be replaced with? Perhaps taking out all but the primes was wrong and what is now whitespace should be numbers? Or maybe we were right all along and it just means that the whitespace is not important.

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Dr3dg
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S1547NY5: Synthesis is presently displeased at the progress of the uncovering of the level 2 puzzle. This is due to the effects of paraedolia and groupthink leading in the wrong direction. The level 2 is meant for 10 years olds. This will also affect the timetable of the message importance and may adversely affect future progress. The effects of Travis spread out like water ripples, ever widening. This is why he must be neutralized. Please note that this message needs to be disbursed within the group. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.


I think he is calling all of us idiots... I dont know any 10 year olds who would be able to figure this out.


Edit I think this line is imporant also
84698 77793 98485 79083 75647 56767 67676 76977 42609 76774 21848 76475 89

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Dr3dg wrote:
I think he is calling all of us idiots... I dont know any 10 year olds who would be able to figure this out.


Maybe 10 year olds can if raised under the watchful eye of the Synthesis? But yeah, they seem pretty unimpressed with our intelligence. Sad

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 		Finally an ARG where I can use my coding skills and I miss it... I'll run it through my Coldfusion programs after my ZG raid tonight. I really do feel dumb as hell for not thinking web code on this one.

edit: In all fairness I only did like a weeks worth of Cold Fusion, then moved onto PHP.

edit: Umm, actually I lost my ColdFusion interpreter in my last format. >.>
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skilletaudio
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 		Well, call in some 10 year olds, people.
You'll apparantly have this one solved in a snap.


As far as CFML goes, its been observed that this function is at best, broken by design, insofar as it is incomplete, which means one of two things to me: do like you are, applying teh code to the data directly once you deduce it, or
the goal is not to describe a complete action (do this to that data)
but to engender a new thought process(ie, look at the problem this way, and therefore trying to figure this code out too much will only lead to headaches)



What do you guys think about the fact that two seperate statements were mad

Code:

pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]+#chr( 13 )#

and

pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]#


Was the first one a mistake that was corrected?
Or are they two clues implying a progression?


If you are trying to really decode the CFML of it all, my eyes won't leave that '<' character alone. CFML documentation seems sparse at best, but I have found that ^ is a math operator, but < and > are -not-, given its markup langauge syntax.

However, in trying to learn a little bit, I keep coming across people using these symbols in ways that I dont understand, example:
Code:

 This example replace content of a tag to lowercase.
<cfset thisdata = REReplace(thisdata, "<(.*)[^>]>","<\L\1\E>", "ALL")>


Can anyone share with the class what purpose that </^/> has,. besides opening tags?

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Snic
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 		Well Skillet, you know me and my hatred of all things web design. So, I have only a limited knowledge of CF. But, I have seen these used to open tags and that's about it.

I know I have a book on this around somewhere or at least at the office, I'll have to but some deeper reasearch in here.
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 		My guess is that the ColdFusion "hint" used #chr(10)# as the second half of the newline, and that must have been interpreted by whatever IM program was being used. So we've missed out on the last, crucial part of the ColdFusion statement.

My guess is that Synthesis is trying to tell us that they broke up the numbers for readability's sake, and the individual blocks of numbers don't necessarily mean anything. To take the entire thing as one string of numbers, so to speak.

The other thing that stands out is the [[:space:]]+ bit. The '+' means "any number of this character" ... but :space: already translates into "any amount of white space". So that seems redundant.

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badlefthook
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 		Well...maybe this helps
I'm new here so I'm not quite up to par when it comes to all this puzzlesolving, but I'm slowly piecing things together.

take this from Adobe as far as the ReReplace function in ColdFusion...

Quote:
Description
Uses a regular _expression (RE) to search a string for a string pattern and replace it with another. The search is case-sensitive.

Return value
If the scope attribute is set to one, returns a string with the first occurrence of the regular _expression replaced by the value of substring.

If the scope attribute is set to all, returns a string with all occurrences of the regular _expression replaced by the value of substring.

If the function finds no matches, it returns a copy of the string unchanged.


So...it is searching for a string pattern to replace.

Another snippet from Adobe...as to the char(number) function referenced in the first message from S1547NY5

Quote:
The values 0 - 31 are standard, nonprintable codes. For example:

Chr(10) returns a linefeed character
Chr(13) returns a carriage return character
The two-character string Chr(13) & Chr(10) returns a Windows newline
Note: For a complete list of the Unicode characters and their codes, see www.unicode.org/charts/.


So it returns a carriage return character. Now...if someone smarter than me can take that info and figure out how to replace the string pattern with the return character (assuming that is what is actually meant)...then we may be in the right place. If not I'm just an idiot.

Sorry if this provides no actual help...but hey...its a try..

EDIT: Carriage return character means something totally different than what I originally thought...again, i'm not that bright when it comes to this...

but here:

Quote:
In computing, the carriage return (CR) is one of the control characters in ASCII code, Unicode or EBCDIC that commands a printer or other sort of display to move the position of the cursor to the first position on the same line. It was mostly used along with line feed, a move to the next line, while carriage return precedes line feed to indicate a new line. The term derives from the above usage, as early printers often closely resembled typewriters; this control character would activate a physical carriage-return mechanism.

Many computer programs use the carriage return character, alone or with a line feed, to signal the end of a line of text, but other characters are also used for this function (see newline); others use it only for a paragraph break (a hard return).

In ASCII and Unicode, the character code decimal 13 (or hexadecimal 0D) is defined to be carriage return.

Some standards (for example HTML) treat carriage return and its relative line feed as whitespace.


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 		it may have nothing to do with anything, but i used my own "white space removing script" (Microsoft Word) and you get 1,860 characters and it looks a little something like this...

(broken up to save frame space)

4684449964891893476508932935742431760735111819664669888888888
8869996666666641328798108980091444447457287906489884646466668
9998986668989994656478461666666888041928883214574866689444448
9666846664986791357042663475936556756087356676324777698444449
8984666999646486976041235975406061111167898136199975606894444
6866688964646667778888809090909098978686806663926664864864864
8648669898687612399792283214123467832143265321181212343433347
6669864968968968443291666214345812324477797979797977660139090
9466484469848844766609098884665656366674789629898666465909000
9124866696896841118767676767778906176932643264323432976333824
7698469646466984479799992145678132533676432190069357912356877
7656664986669449877783564766639082690091666740666141699098999
7498666998989486449898977792390687900776915695141326977806769
2984698469846986498644476912350806974366674555982388113579077
7986466698989866666666689874094648469994698434343444343498467
8080464449898988469877793984857908375647567676767676977426097
6774218487647589996990909903090909909070096099090997709070900
9090700990909096984697774328069742479093666999888748674098989
7424242444774808646477790834479006412359854776767982364103597
4746740932454345444447980007778547428169538069744777696346365
8872387778080808808864987801235774366698986974347779066674333
8777419808976549846666667744085743478096777872408357497904238
6778082497652811111666697741235454545695549777929898573216111
5117188160909974766636966676667692476969696760909756498674436
6609788873693434394689694986747776912390090909677697772677796
2384145718191877854069666989898776926912191100121212699668790
3231587666241477698842449846884448686624242406663696945478790
6914444761666095444296848886776924758344774343434438774245909
7776565741241691674238097776774135283434339614869917171787776
0666742790000975324169785428182666749241816667436661979898444
347666588809898985695666249867
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skilletaudio wrote:
What do you guys think about the fact that two seperate statements were mad

Code:

pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]+#chr( 13 )#

and

pageContent = reReplace( pageContent, ">[[:space:]]#


Was the first one a mistake that was corrected?
Or are they two clues implying a progression?


I noticed that, but thought that the one rogue IM was probably a mistake. For what it's worth, unless everyone else took 10 minutes to post here (or our clocks were more than ten minutes apart, for those who also posted a timestamp), I believe that I was the first one to be IMed, but was away from the computer -- and the code was "correct" for me. This implies that Synthesis could have, but didn't, simply copy and paste, as it was "correct" the first time. Which means it could have been on purpose.

skilletaudio wrote:
However, in trying to learn a little bit, I keep coming across people using these symbols in ways that I dont understand, example:
Code:

 This example replace content of a tag to lowercase.
<cfset thisdata = REReplace(thisdata, "<(.*)[^>]>","<\L\1\E>", "ALL")>


Can anyone share with the class what purpose that </^/> has,. besides opening tags?


Welcome to the hell that is regular expressions. The < and > in that regular expression are literal characters. They translate directly into a literal < and >. I am virtually positive that they do so in the code snippet that Synthesis sent as well.

If you're a programmer, I suggest learning regular expressions. They make most peoples eyes cross, but they are quite powerful. The code snippet you pasted does exactly what you said it does, turns tag content into lowercase. <FOO> becomes <foo>

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