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[EMAIL-PUZZLE] Mystes - Your Failure
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Citizen Kane
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So, maybe we need to find a mythological figure that cries stars and is some sort of maker or creator?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:14 am
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enaxor
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Quote:
I happened to be on my gmail page just when Simon was about to send the above.
I have never used the gmail chat function before, but I thought I'd try it. Simon responded!
Quote:

me: Simon?
mystes.com: Yes?
me: Hello, I am drizjr
mystes.com: So I see
me: I have the desire to proceed
mystes.com: Perahps not the knowledge, then?
me: There is always more to learn
mystes.com: In the differences the message lies, the answer's hidden before your eyes.
Sent at 7:29 PM on Friday
me: I shall endeavor to gain more knowledge. Thank you
mystes.com: Thank me by figuring out the mystery before you. We have need of help and little time.
Sent at 7:31 PM on Friday


I guess they have more time then they thought. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:02 pm
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kimer
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Healer or Destroyer = Fire ?
Quote:
Fire, capricious and unwieldy, powerful and spirited, an element of destruction or transformation dwells within each of us, making its home in the solar plexus, or third chakra ....

Transformation, the lesson of the legendary Phoenix, destroyed by its own fire to be recreated anew manifesting beauty and the spirit of youth.
Transformation...Fire...Destroyer or Healer...

http://www.apathtowholeness.com/Fire_Healer_or_Destroyer.htm


I know I might be streaching here.... but just keeping the ideas flowing....

Model or Source = Code?
The abundance of google articles relate to programing code.... open source model.... and that type stuff

The other thing that keeps jumping out at me is Simon's IM conversation 'perhaps not the knowledge' along with the last email to Nymphus.... 'your next task.... knowledge will be your reward'....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:26 pm
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Delusional
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Since this still isn't solved I thought I'd share my probably useless spec.

I think the puzzle lies in the three passages common to both emails and not in any differences between the two. When I think differences I think subtraction. The first paragraph is the only one without any commas. I have tried manipulating the text in various ways and have turned up nothing.

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With the aid of Iamblichus in Heath, you must seek the masculine and feminine from within the passage. Time is waning.


PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:55 am
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Shad0
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Re: Time is waning

Simon Magus wrote:
With the aid of Iamblichus in Heath, you must seek the masculine and feminine from within the passage. Time is waning.

"Heath" is Sir Thomas L. Heath -- specifically, his edition of Euclid's Elements, which references a manuscript from the Greek philosopher Iamblichus of Chalcis. Among other things, Iamblichus credits the Pythagoreans with making the distinction between odd numbers and even numbers:

Iamblichus wrote:
An even number is that which admits of being divided, by one and the same operation, into the greatest and the least, greatest in size but least in quantity ... while an odd number is that which cannot be so treated, but is divided into two unequal parts

The Pythagoreans considered odd numbers to be masculine and divine, and even numbers to be feminine and thus earthly and human. So... we're seeking odd and even numbers in Simon's original passage?
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grumpyboy
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solved by Rogi in chat (WTG!)

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the latest email was a clue to look at odd and even

in the "your success" email, words with odd number of letters = 0, even = 1

giving:
0110000101101110011101000110100001110010011011110111000001101111011000110110111101110011011011010110100101100011

which is: anthropocosmic

next page: http://www.mystes.com/anthropocosmic.html


PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:01 am
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grumpyboy
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credit goes to Six and Rogi! (i did the grunt work only Laughing )

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
80 numbers in the sequence.

Rogi noticed that a lot of the numbers are divisible by 6

Six figured that if the number is divisible by 6 then replace with 1, not divisible by 6, replace with 0

so:
4 6 18 11 2 21 13 12 7 6 24 25 18 12 1 4 5 6 6 22 14 9 12 24 11 18 6 3 24 21 13 5 16 12 18 3 4 6 7 12 2 6 6 5 6 12 9 24 21 18 12 5 6 8 13 18 4 6 12 5 3 1 24 24 3 6 18 9 23 25 2 6 1 6 12 17 18 6 4 8

becomes:
01100001011011000110001101101000011001010110110101101001011000110110000101101100

which is: alchemical

next page: http://www.mystes.com/alchemical.html


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But we must know that all things whatsoever that are done by men, as well in soul as in body, arise and proceed from within, from their own proper inclination and nature.

Within, I say, in Man, is that Heaven, that Planet, that Sidus or Star, by which he is inclined, constituted, predestinated and signed to this or that ; and not from without, by the constitution of the external Heaven.

A wise man shall rule the stars. — And that saying— "A wise man shall rule the Stars," is not to be understood of the external stars, in the Heaven or Firmament of the great world, but of the internal stars, bearing sway and running, up and down in man himself; which will more and more appear by that which followeth. But this we premise for the beginning to be noted: —

That the external Heaven with its continual revolution, hath a most convenient correspondency with the inward Heaven in the Microcosm.


Those who have both desire and knowledge shall proceed.



Will this work for the next page? Probably not, only 63 numbers in the string, but it's worth a try.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
5 12 3 7 9 4 6 11 18 21 17 6 2 8 12 14 13 1 12 23 12 15 6 25 1 7 4 12 22 19 6 3 6 5 18 21 6 5 16 3 24 1 11 6 21 18 4 13 25 2 16 12 3 3 9 5 6 4 12 22 12 8 11

010000101001001000101010000100101010100010010100000100001010100

Garbage.

I also tried dividing by 3.

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Citizen Kane
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I also tried the divide by 3 thing, and also tried using the elements, after all, the page IS alchemical. But nothing.

I counted 63 numbers there, so it wouldn't be binary unless either I miscounted or they forgot a number.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:09 am
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Rogi Ocnorb
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We tried a lot of things, last night (primes, Fibonacci, Div by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc.). My personal best was assigning '0' to a number if it was less than 10 and '1' if it had two digits, at least it was mostly "letters".

I'm thinking it's either:

Some other operation we need to perform on the digits, like summing them and assigning 0/1 based on odd/even ( though that particular one is a no-go).

A 7-bit (Or possibly 9-bit) encoding that isn't ASCII (Like EBCDIC, but not). Keep in mind that if this is a bitstream, it could be reversed (read right to left), so keep an eye out for that.

Last I heard, grumpyboy was working on using the numbers divisible by 6 as separators, somehow.

roughly:
1/3 of the numbers are divisible bt 6
1/2 of them are divisible by 3
1/2 of them are even

There is no 10, 20 or 26 in the population.

That's all I got.

"Miles" to go before we sleep, I guess Smile
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grumpyboy
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
once again the key is in the numbers which are divisible by 6...

this time: 6 = 1, 12 = 11, 18 = 111, 24 = 1111, other numbers = 0

so:
5 12 3 7 9 4 6 11 18 21 17 6 2 8 12 14 13 1 12 23 12 15 6 25 1 7 4 12 22 19 6 3 6 5 18 21 6 5 16 3 24 1 11 6 21 18 4 13 25 2 16 12 3 3 9 5 6 4 12 22 12 8 11

becomes:
01100001011100100110001101101000011001010111010001111001011100000110000101101100

which is: archetypal

next page: http://www.mystes.com/archetypal.html

emailing simonSPLATmystes.com still gives the same auto-reply as before...


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Rogi Ocnorb
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Amazing!
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