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[SOLVED] dina update.. lots of song clips [Nov 6]
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chancesend
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Possible update?

When Yeahyeah originally posted the song list from the "mix" section, the MP3s were in the order: 5 6 6 10 5 7 11 1 2 3 3 8 4 9

Now the order is: 1 2 3 3 8 4 9 5 6 6 10 5 7 11

It's the same order, except the first 7 and last 7 are switched. Unless yeahyeah posted the order wrong, I'll be willing to bet that this breaks into 2 words:
1 2 3 3 8 4 9
5 6 6 10 5 7 11

Using the last names of the composers in a substitution cipher, I get:

_ _ _ D _ G S
_ A _ _ _ D S
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yeahyeah
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thats very odd.. Maybe I got em wrong..

Ahh ,I see the problem.. when I did a 'lynx --dump' to get the list in the order which they appeared quickly (so I wouldnt have to do them by hand)
I must of sorted them, which would of placed 10-17 first (1 comes before 3) then I split them out.. So you are right chancesend..
I goofed =) (see below)

3. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/1.mp3
4. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/2.mp3
5. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/3.mp3
6. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/3.mp3
7. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/8.mp3
8. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/4.mp3
9. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/9.mp3
10. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/5.mp3
11. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/6.mp3
12. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/6.mp3
13. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/10.mp3
14. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/5.mp3
15. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/7.mp3
16. http://dina.thenekodas.com/weblog/archives/11.mp3
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adagio wrote:
joebrent wrote:
2. Leyenda for solo guitar - Asturias
7. Piano Concerto in a 3rd mvt. - Grieg
9. Zigeunerweisen - Sarasate
10. (on the tip of my tongue...) - Debussy
11. Danse macabre - Saint-Saens


10 is Debussy's Reverie

I'm working on the others.

8 and 6 are so familiar! 6 sounds very Bernstein, and I just know wake up in the middle of the night and remember what it is. 8 almost sounds like Handel's Messaiah and Mozart's Ave Venum muzak-ed together.


Okay, so far.

2. Leyenda for solo guitar - Asturias
4. New World Symphony (movement #4) - Dvorak
7. Piano Concerto in a 3rd mvt. - Grieg
9. Zigeunerweisen - Sarasate
10. Reverie - Debussy
11. Danse macabre - Saint-Saens

Pretty good. Pretty good. I hope it's relevant. I don't know if the PMs were anticipating music geeks to be playing this. But I'll bet this is a clue.
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I had an initial thought that it might turn out to be a track listing for a 'classical hits' collection, but I can't find any with all those pieces on them.

Any thoughts on the use of the word 'song' to link to these? Though I haven't listened to them all, I assume there is no singing on them, and would someone who grew up with music like Dina call classical pieces songs?

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Slightly in relation to that, was playing with the words chancesend started and 'Ballads' fits into one of the words.

Don't know if this helps solve the song titles.

Need more ppl with info on classics knowledge before good guesses possible Smile

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chancesend wrote:
Possible update?

When Yeahyeah originally posted the song list from the "mix" section, the MP3s were in the order: 5 6 6 10 5 7 11 1 2 3 3 8 4 9

Now the order is: 1 2 3 3 8 4 9 5 6 6 10 5 7 11

It's the same order, except the first 7 and last 7 are switched. Unless yeahyeah posted the order wrong, I'll be willing to bet that this breaks into 2 words:
1 2 3 3 8 4 9
5 6 6 10 5 7 11

Using the last names of the composers in a substitution cipher, I get:

_ _ _ D _ G S
_ A _ _ _ D S


Don't you mean:

_ A _ _ _ D S
_ _ _ _ D _ G S

You had still reversed them.

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Some thoughts

Been looking at the letters we have been given and the numbers. I believe that unless there is something special about no 5, 6 and 3 they should repeat in the word to be formed. If the words are two 7 letter words (as has been suggested) then there is a problem with this using this possible word:

_ _ _ D _ G S
5 6 6 10 5 7 11

Number 5 should be a vowel (providing each first letter of the composer's name in order spells out a specified word) for example:
a _ _ D a G S
5 6 6 10 5 7 11
The problem is that I can not think of an english word that would fit into that format for example:
a n n D a G S
5 6 6 10 5 7 11
even if I substitue the vowel and make 6 the vowel, I still can not find a word that will fit example again
n o o D n G S
5 6 6 10 5 7 11
But hey after all this I could be wrong but I dont think its two seven letter words unless there is more to the puzzle than just figuring out the composers.
Apologies if this confusing, its hard at times to write it down so its easy to understand
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yeahyeah
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I dont think its two 7 letter words, that idea was based on me messing up :) Since I got the order swapped up a bit, it caused it to seem like there should be a break at 7 letters, but there is no good reason to think that.. So it may be 14 letters, one of the composers could signify spaces, who knows.. :)

Just thought I'd say that before the baby got tossed out with the bathwater..
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Okay, I'm guessing that this is a long shot and probably unrelated...

In Triad.html, Dina mentions a tortoise that "spells out those wishes in faint glowing letters on its shell". This seems a lot like Cassiopeia, the tortoise from Michael Ende's "Momo", which had the ability to communicate by glowing messages that it spelled out on its shell. I can't find any reliable summaries of that book, but I'm pretty sure I have a copy somewhere...

Yes, long shot, I know. But it might help...

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http://www.momo.net is all I could find. Prolly nothing but you never know.


(EDIT) Just Checked.

Domain Name: MOMO.NET
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS2.MYDYNDNS.ORG
Name Server: NS1.MYDYNDNS.ORG
Name Server: NS3.MYDYNDNS.ORG
Name Server: NS4.MYDYNDNS.ORG
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 20-may-2003
Creation Date: 12-jun-1997
Expiration Date: 11-jun-2006

Dead end for sure. Oh well,.. (/EDIT)
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"Him have I lost; the wish to find, the want to know, the need to hear and see."

And sue a friend came debtor for my sake;
So him I lose through my unkind abuse.
Him have I lost; thou hast both him and me:
He pays the whole, and yet am I not free.
- Shakespeare, sonnet number...134, I think.

Sonnets 121 - 154, ctrl-F for full text

Quote source - http://dina.thenekodas.com/triad.html

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just FYI, a sonnet is written in iambic pentameter...that means there are 5 (pent) feet, of iambs...an iamb being when a word is stressed (well usually just each syllabel), then the next is not...its dont in such a way, that when it is performed, it is almost sung (something which shakespears plays today usually completely miss out) So and would be said and...then sue would be stressed "SUE", so each time the person would be sort of singing it in a strange up and down motion.

I did an AS in english language + literature Razz

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niobexrev wrote:
adagio wrote:
joebrent wrote:
2. Leyenda for solo guitar - Asturias
7. Piano Concerto in a 3rd mvt. - Grieg
9. Zigeunerweisen - Sarasate
10. (on the tip of my tongue...) - Debussy
11. Danse macabre - Saint-Saens


10 is Debussy's Reverie

I'm working on the others.

8 and 6 are so familiar! 6 sounds very Bernstein, and I just know wake up in the middle of the night and remember what it is. 8 almost sounds like Handel's Messaiah and Mozart's Ave Venum muzak-ed together.


Okay, so far.

2. Leyenda for solo guitar - Asturias
4. New World Symphony (movement #4) - Dvorak
7. Piano Concerto in a 3rd mvt. - Grieg
9. Zigeunerweisen - Sarasate
10. Reverie - Debussy
11. Danse macabre - Saint-Saens

Pretty good. Pretty good. I hope it's relevant. I don't know if the PMs were anticipating music geeks to be playing this. But I'll bet this is a clue.


3. Cello Concerto in D minor - Lalo
6. The Light of Life op. 29 Be not extreme - Elgar
8. Adagio for organ/strings - Albinoni

I can't take all the credit, I used Melody Hound to come up with these. It uses something called Parsons Code which is an extremely simplified music notation.

Incidentally, for #1 there were 10 matches, the one I'm leaning towards is "Kindertotenlieder No. 2 Nun seh' ich wohl" by Mahler, mainly because it fits into the time period of the of so-called "Impressionist" composers, and it sounds sort of Mahler-esque.

so (not including my guess for #1):

1 2 3 3 8 4 9 5 6 6 10 5 7 11

_ A L L A D S _ E E D _ G S

Question

[EDIT] I didn't even try #5, the melody's a bit too complicated (with all the trills and such) to even put into Parsons Code [/EDIT]

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Did you listen to samples of those pieces to compare them to Dina's? I just tried #6, and it sounds nothing like it. I haven't tried the others yet. How did you use the Melody Hound tool? Did you enter in the notation or did you whistle the tune into your microphone?

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adagio wrote:
Did you listen to samples of those pieces to compare them to Dina's? I just tried #6, and it sounds nothing like it. I haven't tried the others yet. How did you use the Melody Hound tool? Did you enter in the notation or did you whistle the tune into your microphone?


No, I didn't actually verify them. I couldn't find any samples on the web, I'm at work so I don't have access to P2P tools (kazaa and such) or usenet. Regarding #6...it was the only result of the search, the time period fit, the letter "E" fit, seemed to me that the odds against that NOT being Elgar were astronomical, so I just took it as faith Smile

I entered the notation, it's simple, the notation for each note of the melody is relative to the previous note - "U" for up, "D" for down, "R" for repeat (the notation for the first note being "*" since there is no previous note). So Mary Had a Little Lamb would start *RURURDDRDRDRD...

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