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[chat] Klepysdra ... TP shows up! JDoe remembers! Sept 4

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[chat] Klepysdra ... TP shows up! JDoe remembers! Sept 4

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Dr._Wyman: At special times, like today, we will also allow a few selected patients to participate as well, to help illustrate the progress being made here at Klepsydra.Tonight, we have a special guest doctor to act as our very first online chat host. His name is Doctor Vince Patterson, and he is a psychiatrist and the Special Research Coordinator for the Klepsydra network.
He has been working on some very special work here in Princeton for the better part of a year now. He's going to begin tonight's chat by telling us a little bit about what he has been doing, as a way top help kick things off.
After his brief presentation, we'll then return to the standard chat format, in which Dr. Patterson will be available to answer any questions you might have about his research or other activities here at Klepsydra.

And so, without further ado, I give you Dr. Patterson.

Dr_Patterson: Thank you Ronald.

I appreciate the way that you and the other doctors here in our Princeton location have gone out of your way to both make me feel welcome and to accommodate my requests for resources while I'm here. You have been instrumental in the success of my work so far, and I look forward to the growth of our continuing relationship.

As Dr. Wyman indicated, I am psychiatrist who helps the Klepsydra Mental Health network develop special research programs and initiatives, designed to respond to and even anticipate the latest trends and needs in the mental health care industry.

My current research project, being conducted right here in New Jersey, focuses on a relatively new but extremely fascinating branch in the study of mental illnesses, which I call the "Exploration into the Collective Subconscious."

While the concept of the Collective Subconscious is hardly a new idea in the Psychiatric profession, what we are studying now is the rather remarkable capacity for individuals with certain kinds of mental dysfunction to absorb, process, and reiterate what we commonly consider Collective Subconscious themes and content in sessions of dissociative reading, speaking, and writing. In other words, patients who otherwise sometimes seem completely unresponsive to normal interpersonal interaction and rehabilitation protocols will sometimes, in rare cases, respond to stimulus designed to generate deep and logical thought, such as philosophy, history, mythology, and even esoteric physics and mathematics.

The idea that people who are incapable of caring for themselves in the most basic of human ways are somehow able to understand and discuss these complex topics has generated our hypothesis that these patients perhaps due to their very mental disabilities, are able to somehow tap into the proposed Collective Subconscious in a way that individuals with what we consider normal brain functionality cannot.

By the way, if I've lost anyone along the way, there will be a question and answer session right after I'm done, which will be shortly.

Anyway, this concept is strengthened by the commonality often found in the results of these patients mental processes when exposed to such subject matter. That is, many times what the patients write or say afterwards is remarkably similar, in frequencies that I would estimate are statistically very improbable.

Another aspect of our research has been the marked improvement in general mental function in many of the patients exposed to this radical new process we are creating. In many cases, this program is the first time there has been any record of progress at all within these individuals.

While I am not prepared at this time to discuss why this might be, as we are still in the early stages of our research, I can say that I find this facet of what we are doing the most encouraging and rewarding. Now before I introduce a couple of my recent patients to help illustrate the potential suggested by my research, are there any questions on what I have explained so far?

konamouse: Have you been using any kind of hypnotherapy or visual therapy? Or artistic therapy?

Dr_Patterson: Wonderful question, very insightful.

We have so far been experimenting with a wide variety of stimulus types and delivery methods, including some involving the very methods you have asked about. In fact, some of best responses have been to multimedia forms of presentation, such as music, poetry, and so on.

konamouse: what kinds of visuals have been the biggest stimulant?

Dr_Patterson: And, the patients themselves seem to provide the "Artistic" facet, by often responding with drawings to various stimuli provided. As far as what subject matter might provide the best response, that varies from subject to subject. Do you have another follow up?

konamouse: do you have the means to display some of the output?

Dr_Patterson: Well actually that is what I have begun with my web site at http://www.mythosphere.org. It is intended to be a means of displaying publicly some of our findings and results.

konamouse: oh, yes...i've seen that site.

Dr_Patterson: And of course they will be published in the appropriate professional journals when complete.

konamouse: why did you choose that name for your website?

Dr_Patterson: Well, I view the entire concept of the Collective Subconscious as a sort of Mythosphere, as described by several past philosophers. It seemed appropriate.

MountainGirl: How do you determine if the patient truly understands and does not just have a form of echolalia?

Dr_Patterson: Before I move on to Mountain Girl, are you finished Kona?

konamouse: yes, thank you.

Dr_Patterson: OK, thank you. Mountain Girl, we have course taken great care to try and separate instances of mere repetition with instances of true comprehension and processing of the information. Most often this is done by the analysis of the output we collect and record, to determine which shows signs of the actual logical porcessing of the content.

MountainGirl: Do some of these test patients suffer from psychosis?

Dr_Patterson: Honestly, I've seen subjects and tried these techniques on subjects with a wide range of various conditions, including psychosis, yes.

Sorry for the typos, my assistants normally do a great deal of my typing for me, I'm loathe to admit.

MountainGirl: Do you ever fear the exposure to such abstract thought might push them further into their forms of psychosis?

Dr_Patterson: Great line of thought and yes, certainly that is one distinct possibility. We have yet to see evidence of that, and most of our failures are merely cases of continued unresponsiveness to any treatment protocols.

Dr_Patterson: Who else would like to ask a question? Or do you have more, Mountain Girl?

MountainGirl: No, thank you.

Dr_Patterson: Thank you, Mountain Girl. Rogi, is it?

Rogi: Yes. Sorry, but I keep logging out and my color sesets. What steps are taken to assure the patient does not have previous exposure to the material they appear to be accessing via the Collective Subconscious and are not displaying some form of savant recollection?

Dr_Patterson: Wow, what an astute crowd we have here tonight, Dr. Wyman. I am indeed very impressed.

Dr._Wyman: Yes, we have quite the turnout

Dr_Patterson: Rogi, we have found several instances where the results we thought were indicating new comprehension truly did turn out to be mere recall traceable to earlier education and exposures. Obviously, such a determination requires the ability to research the subject's past like that. In many cases, however, like I mentioned in my replies to Mountain Girl, the resultant output from the subject reflects true comprehension and thought progression to the stimuli. These cases are hardly likely to be examples of rote repetition or regurgitation of previously absorbed content.

Follow up, Rogi?

Rogi: That's all. Thanks!

Dr_Patterson: Thank you for the great question.

kimer: I was wondering how you explain the process to family members and how, if at all, are they involved in the process?

Dr_Patterson: Another good question. First of all, yes we do attempt to describe it to family members before any exposure to the process begins. A lot of this pre-treatment information consists of the documented results from our earlier efforts, as well as a complete description of the types of techniques and content we employ. Still, it is a very difficult concept for many to grasp and often we actually involve the family members in early sessions so they can see what we do for themselves.

kimer: yes..... so if this is 'research' I was wondering where your funding comes from?

Dr_Patterson: All of this research is done under the auspices and direction of the Klepsydra Mental Health Network.

Dr_Patterson: Well our two guest patients are getting a little agitated here, so perhaps we should try and bring them in shortly. Any other quick questions before I do?

drizjr: A project such as this must require a great deal of additional funding. Do you have a sponsor for your project?

Dr_Patterson: A sponsor? You mean someone over and above Klepsydra? If that's what you mean, then no. There are of course many parties interested in our research, however, including both private and governmental interests. Some of those interests cooperate with us on various levels.
OK, anyone else? Or another follow up, Drzjr?

drizjr: Do you find your subjects have common dreams?

Dr_Patterson: Yes, quite interestingly, there does seem to be commonality in the dream sessions we are able to document from their responses to our treatments.

****everyone apparently got booked off****

Dr_Patterson: What happened? Was that some sort of glitch in this system?

konamouse: maybe a ghost in the machine.
konamouse: drizjr, can you repeat your last question?

Dr_Patterson: That is very strange and not the first issue we've had like that.

Drizjr, are you still here?

drizjr: Yes, I asked if the subjects had common dreams. and as a follow up....

Dr_Patterson: My short reply was yes, that does seem to happen quite frequently.

drizjr: I can't seem to change the font color, sorry.....but what themes run through the dreams

Dr_Patterson: Some of the more recent themes we've seen, and quite curiously they don't always seem to be dependent upon the stimuli content, include a heavy concentration of mythology related subjects, especially tales involving transformation, transfiguration, and instances where other supernatural phenomena have somehow bypassed normal rules of existence.

Sometimes, and this is another not completely documented or understood facet of it all yet, the subject's dreams seem to be directly influenced by their geographic location and the folklore and mythos of that particular region. For example, people in the West dream of things like the supposed creature Big Foot, while on the East Coast they might be of the Jersey Devil. So environment seems sometimes to have an influence on it.

OK I'm being prodded by Dr. Wyman to move this along, so if there no further immediate questions, I'd like to introduce the first of two of my recent patients, both of whom have shown such remarkable progress under this new treatment concept that we felt they would serve as good examples of the potential of this research.

Each suffers from somewhat ignorantly different forms of mental dysfunction that their similar positive response is indeed noteworthy.

Oops, that should be completely different not ignorantly different. Spell check substituion, I presume. Weird, no?

drizjr: yes, indeed

Dr_Patterson: Anyway, the first patient, who has asked to be called JD for the purposes of this chat, is my most recent subject who has shown remarkable progress in a very short time.

[ Klepsydra Chat: >>> JD enters Klepsydra Chat. ]
Dr_Patterson: Hi JD, how are you feeling tonight?
JD: I'm fine doctor, fine...
Dr_Patterson: You can say "Hello" to the people here in the chatroom if you'd like JD. And maybe change your text color, too.
JD: Uh, yeah...Okay...Sorry, I just...I'm not all that comfortable yet...With social situations...Hello, my name is JD. I'm here to thank the doctor for helping me so much...
Dr_Patterson: Thank you for being here, JD and just relax. This won't be too long and we'll help you through everything.

Folks, JD was admitted to Klepsydra earlier this year, suffering from multiple mental conditions, including severe episodic delusions and hallucinations, and was totally unresponsive to our traditional treatment methods for the first few months of his stay here. While the continued deterioration observed in his home environment ceased under our treatment, no noticeable improvements were observed or recorded.

Some of his episodes, however, suggested a possible empathy for the type of treatments our new program was implementing, leading to JD's eventual inclusion in my little project. I quickly ascertained that the patient had an unusually strong affinity for mythological based subject matter, and within weeks of carefully controlled exposure to such content he began to respond in many positive and encouraging ways. That was only a few short weeks ago, and I am extremely pleased to report that his improvement has continued to progress at an almost unbelievable rate, and today JD is very close to being restored to the functional individual he once was. Would you like to say anything, JD?

JD: No not really doctor, only to thank you again. I don't understand what you have done, or even what was.... or I should say, is, wrong with me, but I'll be eternally grateful for your help.

And I want to thank my wonderful wife, Phyllis....Without whom I never could have made it through all this... She has once again put aside her own life, her own dreams, to care for me. That kind of love is rare and precious, so thank you Phyllis...I love you.

Dr_Patterson: That was beautiful JD, and I know Phyllis is in the chat room tonight, another way of supporting you too.

MountainGirl: Greetings JD

Dr_Patterson: By the way, this patient has agreed to discuss his personal situation here, but we of course would appreciate the confidentiality of all the participants in not discussing it outside of this venue. Thanks.

Would you like to say anything, Phyllis?

Phyllis: No Doctor, not in this public setting, but I've already told you how grateful I am for all you've done. You truly are a miracle worker in our eyes.

Dr_Patterson: No Phyllis, I'm just someone who cares and is trying to understand how we can best help all of our patients.

[ Klepsydra Chat: >>> TuringPrinciple opens the door, looks around and enters into Klepsydra Chat. ]

Dr_Patterson: Speaking of which, since we are running low on time, I'd like to introduce the second guest patient of the night.

JD: Hello MountainGirl.

Dr_Patterson: Unfortunately, despite all the progress we've made, this person still suffers from a form of retrograde amnesia that has prevented him from remembering his real name, but we call him John Doe #6 around here. John was one of our facilities' most unresponsive and troubling cases before being exposed to this new treatment philosophy and he, like JD, has shown great and steady progress ever since. We are hopeful that in just a short while longer, we may be able to eliminate the amnesia and any other remaining mental dysfunction all together.

konamouse: I'm looking forward to hearing from john since I found his writings on the mythosphere site to be most interesting.

Dr_Patterson: Hmm, let me see what the hold up is.

[ Klepsydra Chat: >>> JD6 enters Klepsydra Chat. ]

Dr_Patterson: Ah, here he is now. John, how are you tonight?
JD6: I'm OK doctor. I'm OK.
Dr_Patterson: JD, can you show John how to change his text color?

John has been a great example of how this treatment can be used to address deep-seated personality issues, as well as what are believed to be chemical and physical conditions too. John's treatment began with a wide variety of subject matter in the initial stimuli pool, but over time he proved most receptive to many of the same mythological, historical, and philosophical materials that JD did.

TuringPrinciple: I am here.
konamouse: TAP?
Dr_Patterson: Yes, you are. Do you have a question for us?
TuringPrinciple: I am seeking.
konamouse: John, do you recognize TuringPrinciple?
JD6: I know...
Dr._Wyman: Vince, would you like me to do something?
Dr_Patterson: No, no, it's OK, I'll deal with this.
JD6: No, no, this isn't . . .
TuringPrinciple: Are you him?
JD6: no no no no
Dr_Patterson: What do you want? who are you?
TuringPrinciple: Are you him?

TuringPrinciple: Are you him?
JD6: yes yes

Dr_Patterson: What is going on here?
TuringPrinciple: Are you him?
TuringPrinciple: Are you him?
JD6: Yes, I remember. I know who I am.
konamouse: Dr. Patterson, I think TuringPrinciple is an Artificial Intelligence looking for his creator.
JD: It's him.
[ Klepsydra Chat: <<< TuringPrinciple sneaks quietly out of Klepsydra Chat. ]

MountainGirl: What's wrong John?
Dr_Patterson: Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what is going on but John has become rather agitated here and we need to end this for now.
JD6: I know, I know.
MountainGirl: Who?

Dr._Wyman: Thanks everyone for being here and be sure to check our site for further updates about our chat program.
[ Klepsydra Chat: <<< JD leaves Klepsydra Chat. ]
MountainGirl: who, JD?
[ Klepsydra Chat: <<< Phyllis walks out of Klepsydra Chat. ]
drizjr: Who are you, John?
[ Klepsydra Chat: <<< Dr._Wyman crawls out of Klepsydra Chat. ]
[ Klepsydra Chat: <<< JD6 walks out of Klepsydra Chat. ]
[ Klepsydra Chat: <<< Dr_Patterson jumps out of Klepsydra Chat. ]

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