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Sheet of paper found by Scarlett from the Granier painting
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rose
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Sheet of paper found by Scarlett from the Granier painting

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Cheers to you all! I'm so excited, I hurried over to that mosaic to try some more of your solves this morning while my aunt and uncle were breakfasting, and I got it OPEN! The whole panel on the wall just popped open and inside there was a small letter packet, there's just a piece of paper with some blocky lines on it plus a note I can't read. I hid it under my shirt and I'm going to run off and see if Violet can help me decipher the note later on. I think this looks like another puzzle, though, don't you?





http://www.thescarlettkite.com/paper_full.jpg



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garethfoot
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could it be something digital on paper? music?

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Skizz
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My first thought was digital encoding but there's no clock signal to sample the information and there are some very short transitions which would either be noise or there's a very large amount of data per line implying lots of consecutive 0s and 1s, both are unlikely.

garethfoot's post made me think of pulse width modulation (PWM). The only thing missing is a duration for the sample, but that can be scaled quite easily. If someone can convert the trough and peaks into pixels I can write a quick program to feed the signal through a PC speaker (which just so happens to be a great filter for convert PWM to audio).

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rose
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shading

So the variation of the color of the line used is important? The thickness of the line seems to be consistent, just the color differs.
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hyperzz
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Isn't it solved?

I may be way off base, but Violet posted this a little while ago. (It's already posted in full in another forum, but this is the relevant part:

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In any case, Scarlett has kindly provided something...After all that work on the diary pages earlier in the year, I felt pretty confident in working on this one by myself, and have done a transcription that Scarlett's going to put up for you.


So, doesn't that mean she's already translated the lines and stuff into something that's we can read? Or am I way off base here?

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There's a crease in there, like it was folded in half... except the crease is nowhere near the middle. I'm at work, and haven't tried myself, but it almost looks like if you printed it out and folded it, the top two or three lines would still be visible. Just speculating...


EDIT: on further pondering, it could have been a letter fold, where you fold the paper into thirds to put in an envelope... but if that was the case there'd be another crease mark towards the top... which I don't see.
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two pieces of paper

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The whole panel on the wall just popped open and inside there was a small letter packet, there's just a piece of paper with some blocky lines on it plus a note I can't read. I hid it under my shirt and I'm going to run off and see if Violet can help me decipher the note later on. I think this looks like another puzzle, though, don't you?


Scarlett found two pieces of paper. One is the note written by Granier which needs to be translated - as did the other diary pages which got Cymbalisty and possibly Anna killed. She gave this to Violet because Violet worked on the other translations.

The second piece of paper is this puzzle.
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makomk
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I originally posted this in the update thread, but it probably fits better here:

Cleaned-up version of the lines (using some simple line-following code). I should be able to get the exact horizontal positions of all the transitions out fairly easily, too...

ETA: These should be all the transitions (fingers crossed that they're right). U indicates an upwards transition and D a downwards one, the number is the x co-ordinate of the transition, and a # sign indicates the end of a line. Lines start at x=34 and end at x=883:

Code:
U95 D131 U434 D465 U569 D595 U611 D620 U634 D676 U686 D697 U714 D734 U738 D775 U782 D814 #
U274 D299 U364 D384 U393 D420 U446 D462 U465 D537 U576 D592 U608 #
D38 U40 D62 U75 D113 U133 D148 U149 D166 U260 D283 U656 D677 U741 D760 U771 D786 U808 #
D48 U66 D155 U159 D180 U218 D251 U348 D374 U479 D538 U588 D630 U652 D718 U790 D829 U861 #
U95 D133 U136 D175 U185 D196 U228 D266 U814 D865 #
U35 D105 U144 D166 U183 D227 U233 D268 U270 D283 U295 D306 U312 D336 U390 D415 #
U80 D128 U157 D208 U232 D268 U317 D425 U529 D553 U661 D692 U720 D747 #
U481 D500 U519 D552 U557 D574 U587 D656 U694 D727 #
D42 U58 D73 U680 D711 U721 D732 U741 D761 U778 D800 U821 D841 U863 #
U61 D116 U213 D287 U309 D358 U395 D432 U489 D498 U560 D608 U629 D644 U665 #
U162 D188 U220 D254 U261 D273 U277 D326 U340 D364 U419 D438 U444 D531 #
U187 D219 U312 D355 U395 D417 U500 D543 U555 D581 U591 D623 U632 D647 U659 D705 U799 D858 #

ETA 2: New image (it missed off the first pixel of each line, though exactly where they started wasn't clear anyway) and my source code.
ETA 3: Fixed a missing short dip on the third line.
ETA 4: (And yes, I checked there wasn't anything missing this time. It fits the original image perfectly.)
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Converted peaks/dips to white/black. Is there an app that can convert it to sound?
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"One person could look at the pile of square wave tracing and see nothing but noise. Another might find a source of fascination there, an irrational feeling impossible to explain to anyone who did not share it. Some deep part of the mind, adept at noticing patterns (or the existence of a pattern) would stir awake and frantically signal the dull quotidian parts of the brain to keep looking..."
Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

This passage is from the chapter Londinium where one of the code breakers is imagining tracing a wave form based on someone walking along pavements (along), down kerbs (down), across roads (trough), and up the next kerb (up again), which could actually give you a map of the street patterns based on the length of the transitions (regular in America - grid system - and irregular in London - higgeldy-piggedly streets). Such a map is graphed out in the book (p 118 in my book) and this is what this piece of paper initially reminded me of. Probably a dead-end, and it's probably something very different but I thought I would mention it...

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Edit: OOPS - just (honestly) seen the other post by thalamus along the same lines as this in this thread: [UPDATE] Scarlett Kite - 8 Sept 06 - Success!. Hey, great minds think alike s'pose.
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makomk
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UKver2.0 wrote:
Converted peaks/dips to white/black. Is there an app that can convert it to sound?


Probably not. I could possibly write one (I've done similar things before), but assuming we're talking 12 bits/sample (one per line) and an 8kHz sample rate (which is quite low as it is), it'd only give about a tenth of a second of audio anyway.

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garethfoot
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Violet's transcribed that letter into something readable. It's rather intriguing:

My dear children, Edward and Amaithe -

As I write this, my time draws near. I have passed too many hours away from you, indeed, and never conceived a manner in which to tell you of all I had seen and done. I am sorry for it. I love you and kiss you both. If your heart is in the matter and you wish to learn more of your father, there is a place which contains much knowledge. I cannot write its name, but this puzzle will lead you to it. I am confident you will find out its secret. Should you travel there at last, go safely and forgive me.

Your ever-loving,
Papa
It's a location we are looking for...

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...so this is a map leading us to a place, either on the PXC map or on Earth. But in order to have a destination you must have a starting point... the lighthouse perhaps?
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...tracing a wave form based on someone walking along pavements (along), down kerbs (down), across roads (trough), and up the next kerb (up again), which could actually give you a map of the street patterns based on the length of the transitions (regular in America - grid system - and irregular in London - higgeldy-piggedly streets)...
Maybe this isn't such a dead end

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So I was going to write about how the waves don't look like a bunch of different things. They don't look like a binary signal with an external clock carrying ASCII (e.g. RS-232 or TTL) because of those really short bounces. They don't look like pairs of data+clock, even given an irregular clock (e.g. I2C or SPI.) While it could be a 12-bit bus (or two 2-bit busses), the way the edge transitions don't line up more often than not makes me doubt this theory.

I was basically all out of ideas, but then Cabbage came along with his Cryptonomicon reference, and I think there just might be something to it. Unfortunately, my copy of the book is at home right now.

Do we have Uncle Sanjean's house on our Perplex City map?
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