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Sheet of paper found by Scarlett from the Granier painting
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Skizz
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Working with the circles idea, I wondered what the image would look like if all the lines were superimposed together. So I knocked up this small program (XP only). I treat each line as a circle where the peaks are rays cast from the centre point (to make segments of a circle). All twelve lines are treated this way and then overlayed. I've used a blending function to show where the circles overlap (i.e. the whiter the pixels the more lines overlap at that point). The only thing I noticed was a narrow segment where no lines had a peak.

I then thought about having each line represent the view from one of twelve points located on a clock face, all looking towards the point of interest, the line representing a +/- 90 degree view from each point (since not all lines start and end in the same state). Running the program and pressing space toggles to this view. Also, keys 1-0, a and b toggle the display of a line. Needless to say, it's a bit of mess.

I can alter this program to display/edit the data differently, if anyone has any ideas?

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"stlport.5.0.dll was not found"
Any thoughts?
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ampetrizzo
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[QUESTION] Why would you move the circles around?

A couple of people have mentioned the lines correlating to mine shafts--I think that mines are important:

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(read: Granier was conducting his experiments in an area with heavy mining going on and the leaked emails hint that Sente is mining something as well)


but I don't think they're related to this puzzle. It's probable that circles are key somehow because Kurt immediately began drawing them on scraps of paper when Violet showed him the puzzle. The important piece I took from that was that Kurt began to move them around--I haven't the foggiest idea why, though. Any ideas?

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gamegirl
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Borders?

What about borders? Could the lines represent the outline of border area seen from the light house?

I don't know....just trying to find something to go with here....

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doublecross
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If you add all the lines together, you get this image. Perhaps a panorama of mountains - or too difficult to pinpoint where you are? Interesting that there is just one pixel at height 0 (i.e. where all 12 lines are down at the same time) - number 555.

Edit: just noticed that the scale along the bottom is wrong as Excel has helpfully recalibrated it to start at 1, when it starts at 34. You need to add 33 to the numbers along the bottom to get the right pixel. I wondered why pixel 555 wasn't above 555 on the bottom line.
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Skizz
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ne0x wrote:
"stlport.5.0.dll was not found"
Any thoughts?

Oops. I'll post it up when I get home tonight.

Skizz

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steamer
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just catching up after a weeks holiday and saw this on scarletts blog:

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Well, as I suddenly have nothing at all better to do with my time, I've been staring at those funny lines on my key all day and pretending it's a legitimate assignment in Historic Logic Patterns or something Smile Good practice, really, and a much more memorable way to learn about it than reading some dull old tract on how "multiple perspectives and repeating patterns or themes were a hallmark of early-AC Perplexian puzzle design."


is this perhaps a hidden pointer multiple perspectives and repeating patterns?

also the sun- ray style map may be the answer looking out from a lighthouse the only part with no ray could be the direction to go

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Was trying to think of more permanent landmarks than buildings, etc. The only things that came to mind initially were mountains, valleys, etc. which have already been mentioned, or perhaps stars. Don't suppose we have any astrological information this would fit with have we?

It seems that this puzzle is maybe moving in a different direction anyway but just thought I'd mention it.
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sylvastriker
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I don't think anyone has actually mentioned this but i think this puzzle looks a lot like #003 Earth, Sea and Moon.

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sylvastriker wrote:
I don't think anyone has actually mentioned this but i think this puzzle looks a lot like #003 Earth, Sea and Moon.

http://www.perplexcitycardcatalog.com/1/003/


yeah - i'd tried looking at it with that in mind, but nothing popped out...

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GreenWindmill
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Perhaps we need to rotate the circles appropriately to make it make sense? Or we haven't ordered them correctly? Like the idea, would fit in with Kurt's behaviour when faced with the puzzle. Can't make it work myself though...
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GreenWindmill wrote:
Perhaps we need to rotate the circles appropriately to make it make sense? Or we haven't ordered them correctly? Like the idea, would fit in with Kurt's behaviour when faced with the puzzle. Can't make it work myself though...


i don't think it's gonna be like that card. due to the mathematical transform, all of the non-circular lines in our version will be radial, unlike the lines on the card.

i had a quick go at rotating circles, but gave up due to the lack of a clear registration point (i was hoping there'd be either a radial line or 'flat' space on each circle that would line up)

the order of the lines might be an issue, though - there is that visible fold above the bottom five lines. looking at the image again, there might even be another fold crossing that one at a 20º angle. important, or just part of the background image ? fuctifiknow Wink

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FoleyJames
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I wonder if we're casting the net too wide. Would Granier have perhaps used something closer to the academy to plant his secret? Two places he may have been to are the Anaduna Corridors

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With their moving walkways, the corridors can be the quickest way to travel around the Academy, but unless you understand how they link together, you could find yourself traveling in circles.


and the Great Lawn mosaic

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made up of several thousand coloured tiles and thought to have been laid before the foundation of the city


Seeing as how the parchments were found behind a mosaic puzzle, perhaps Granier found a solution to the mosaic and hid the secret there. But that seems to go away from what the PMs were trying to tell us Confused

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thalamus wrote:
Scribe wrote:

I'm thinking along these lines too, but I'm too stingy to go out and buy a protractor Smile Has anyone played with turning the lines into circles (a dozen of them, I guess) and has some kind of output?


well, here's a quick rectangular->polar conversion...


I like the look of this, and the picture of the next post. The next one reminds me of a long-exposure photograph of the stars with the camera pointed at a pole. Of course, all the stars rotate at the same rate, so the streaks would all be the same (angular) size...

The wording of the letter, "This puzzle will *lead* you...", suggests to me that perhaps the puzzle is more about directions than location. So, if the lines represent skylines (or important lasting physical features of landscape, or whatever), perhaps this is demonstrating twelve locations on a line that _leads_ to the location. The second circle seems to indicate passing the right edge of some object, and the tenth circle, again passing by the right edge of an object. If we could figure out what these objects are, and an orientation, that'd at least give us a straight line to look at. (Not that the path *has* to be a straight line... sigh.)

The location has "much knowledge". Are there any libraries still around from that time? Perhaps one related to "Lay Sorrowe to Rest"? Maybe it represents a 12-storey library with a hidden compartment! Or a smaller library with 12 aisles, maybe 7 on the ground floor and 5 on the first floor... I don't know. Of course, he also mentions 'heart'. Where has knowledge and heart, both?

Other thoughts: People mention catacombs... from The Scarlett Kite, "Anthony Granier supervised the reconstruction of the city's sewer system". Is there a sewer map? I also thought of cogwheels, or perhaps jigsaw pieces that should fit together somehow...

And as for the rip perhaps being at the bottom of the page, I like that idea too. Which is more likely, that he started drawing at the top of the page and drew down, he started drawing in the middle of the page and drew down, or that he started drawing at the bottom of the page and drew up (or in the middle, going up)? By far the first seems most likely, so the torn bit is at the bottom.

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Rip

The fact that the page is ripped also seems mysterious to me. He went to some trouble to write a coded letter, and draw those traces (with pixel-perfect accuracy!). Would he have chosen a torn piece of paper to draw the traces on? Would he have drawn the traces, then torn off one end? Why? Wouldn't he have redrawn it on a clean sheet of paper, if it happened accidentally? He's basically leaving his legacy to his children. *I*'d be *very* neat about that, if it were me. Did someone else tear it off? Who, when, why? What was on it?

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