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[Puzzle] #243 Silver - Shuffled Part 2 (Read 1st Post!)
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indigowolf
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 		reading the text
I have just read thru' the 86 pages - has anyone tried applying mobile phone txt to the 'nonsense' solves achieved so far?

What prompted me was thinking about computer worms on earth - particularly the 'loveletter' worm - which led to LUL , could it mean 'love U lots'???? So could the rest of the message be in txt format?

Also a hint from earlier about how the puzzle can be solved using 'reasonable means'
Anagram of 'means' is names - could reasonable be an anagram linked to names??

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Cabbage
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 		Seems like the Third Power may be at work to sabotage our efforts Crying or Very sad

Just tried to use Bruce Schneier's online Solitaire solver and got a code 404:

Quote:

404 for /~la002k/solitaire.htm
Page not found. Important Note:

Many accounts have been forced off this server because UR administration doesn't want CIF to host alumni. You can find many people's new web sites at a non-UR server: http://www.uofr.net/. Look below for new URL.


Could not find an alternative site for the solver in the list of alternative sites...

And I had a new idea for a keyword to try out...

Confused Cabbage Confused
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Flynn
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 		Wayback Machine to the rescue Smile

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Wayback Machine to the rescue Smile


There's a Starman waiting in the sky.

Cheers Flynn, you're the man. Laughing
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Flynn
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Cheers Flynn, you're the man. Laughing

No problem Smile

And just in case the wayback machine has one of it's occasional glitches, I've put a copy of the page on my webspace too - http://theinept.co.uk/solitaire_new.html. Go easy on the bandwidth if you'd be so kind Wink Very Happy

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indigowolf
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OK IGNORE ME!!

how can it be a solitaire cypher with a group of three - LUL???

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 		Re: reading the text
indigowolf wrote:
I have just read thru' the 86 pages - has anyone tried applying mobile phone txt to the 'nonsense' solves achieved so far?

What prompted me was thinking about computer worms on earth - particularly the 'loveletter' worm - which led to LUL , could it mean 'love U lots'???? So could the rest of the message be in txt format?

Also a hint from earlier about how the puzzle can be solved using 'reasonable means'
Anagram of 'means' is names - could reasonable be an anagram linked to names??


indigowolf wrote:
OK IGNORE ME!!

how can it be a solitaire cypher with a group of three - LUL???


Ok don't shout Laughing . Sometimes people just like to inwardly digest a meal before (oh, that's a really bad analogy and I better stop there). I was trying to say "mull over an idea" - that's better, before replying. I guess there could be something in your idea. I'm too old to understand "TXT". I write my emails then I read them back and correct the grammar.

LUL could stand for Laughs Ut Loud for all I know, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it is Solitaire just because of the "three letters should be five letters" question.

The problem as I see it with this card (sorry if this is obvious) is putting all of the separate layers of the puzzle together - the whispered message, the hint, the code on the cards, the disappearing text, the title, the picture, the meanings of the words. It's beat me.

Good luck if you're going to try your txt idea.

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CrestfallenGirl
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 		Additional thoughts on the Tarot - Card Count =22
fretty wrote:
So if there is no way of knowing the deck order we've either got to play the guessing game or there MUST be a symbolic meaning somewhere with either the cards or the situation.


I found a tarot deck type called 'Entropy', which was published in 1983, with a limited release of 300 sets. This set does not include 78 cards, but only 22 - which I believe represents the major arcana. The deck was designed by Dr. Shigeki Gomi, based on the laws of Thermodynamics - Tarot Card Images

I'm also attaching a Word file that contains a review of the deck, found on the same website as the images and contains more information about the concepts used to design the deck.

Additionally, it contains a description of each card, in ascending order - starting with the 'Fool' card and ending with the 'World' card - the order represents the 'fool's journey', a spiritual evolution of sorts.

This would be the order of the cards, as I assume it is for any Tarot deck, when only dealing with the major arcana. For this particular set each card is clearly labeled with the card number, the title and the corresponding Hebrew letter. Within the images themselves, you will find a Sanskrit letter on each card and sometimes the appropriate zodiacal sign as well. I'm not sure if that is standard with Tarot cards or if this set is unique in that, but either way having a possible unshuffled deck order is a start.

Kind of interesting how this deck has a Sanskrit letter on each card - yesterday I lamely mentioned how the Sanskrit alphabet contains 54 letters (was trying to make some relationship to the 108/54 theory), but didn't have any other ideas to pull a plan together. Wonder if that might pan out, if I could somehow track down the letter from the other cards not show on the website ...

Hopefully this post is mostly coherent. I've recently starting forgoing sleep in exchange for more PXC time and I fear my ability to use my Grown Up Words is suffering.
Entropy Tarot Deck.doc
 Description   Entropy Tarot Deck - Review from wicce.com
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CrestfallenGirl
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 		p.s. - The tarot deck card back
Does anyone think the star on the card backs from the Entropy deck resemble the one on the Shuffled Card?

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RedZed333
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 		Re: p.s. - The tarot deck card back
CrestfallenGirl wrote:
Does anyone think the star on the card backs from the Entropy deck resemble the one on the Shuffled Card?

It does have certain similarities.

I also noted that there are a number of cards missing from the display, at least 10.

Someone's playing with not a full deck!!!

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CrestfallenGirl
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 		Re: p.s. - The tarot deck card back
RedZed333 wrote:
It does have certain similarities. I also noted that there are a number of cards missing from the display, at least 10. Someone's playing with not a full deck!!!


Yep, I noticed the missing cards as well and mentioned it in my original post, I thought. I'd imagine that it is difficult to acquire images for a product that had only 300+ units made - over twenty years ago - in Japan - and only shipped to stores in Japan. Maybe I can track down the images - either way, the card titles are listed on the same image page and a description of all cards is in the Word document attached to my original post.

I haven't been at this for as long as some of you - how is it possible that no one has gone mad? I'll have to go underground for a few weeks to restore some brain power.

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 		Re: p.s. - The tarot deck card back
CrestfallenGirl wrote:
...how is it possible that no one has gone mad?
Pretty sure plenty have... myself included. My best moment was when I just stared off in a daze one day and started separating the layers of the card - it's completely ruined. My wife snapped me out of it and I had no explanation for what I was doing or why, but I can now say for a certainty that there are no hidden clues on the interior the card.
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 		The Entropy Tarot deck looks interesting. I think we could come up with a deck order using the Hebrew/Sanskrit and Zodiac, if anybody could determine the order of the Sanskrit symbols. I can't even match them to any Sanskrit alphabet I've found.

The Hebrew symbols and order of the cards seem to be more or less standard, but I haven't found any full list of the Sanskrit.

I know, 'Everything you need is there', but they might be sneaky and mean the clues are there (Entropy, the star design, the Five of Cups). They said we didn't need any other CARDS to solve it, but didn't really say we didn't need any other information.

Besides, trying to find a deck order with these is bound to be more fun than trial and error with passwords and ciphertext.

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GuyIncognito
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 		Sigh...now, don't get me wrong...I think it's great that new people are taking their fresh eyes to this. But, alas, I feel compelled to serve a healthy dose of fresh fish to our sorry lot...again: Trout

The Entropy Tarot deck has been brought up 10 months ago, on page 14 of the first thread...please see here.

These threads are so humongous by now that people are reluctant to trout or even comment at all, I figure...I just think it's fair (before you lose your drive) to point out that in all likelihood every feasible avenue of thought concerning the solution of this card has already been mentioned and explored at one point or another (though maybe not as in-depth as possible and/or necessary).

The way I see it, the solution is not gonna be found through a revelatory new discovery, but by filtering out exactly the right elements relevant to the solution and dropping all the irrelevant ones...and luckily combining them into a train of thought that hasn't been followed through.

FWIW, in my opinion these elements are:
1) The whispered phrase
2) The code letters (with special regard to their number and the disappearing ones)
3) The Solitaire cypher

That is all...please don't let that discourage you from trying totally different methods, ok? As it is, I haven't given up on this card either...and, as long as my dwindling sanity permits, I NEVER WILL! MUAHAHAHA!

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So, I was thinking in a paticularly boring day of high school (normally only mildly boring!) Then this bright idea hit me! What if everything in the card had a double entente(sp)?
(FYI entente is double meaning but i suck at spelling)

So, first the Von's clue, which was, "Examine the card more closely. If you're feeling cold, you're overly sensitive, as for the code, everything you need is there" But the first part is what I am thinking of. First of all "If you're feeling cold" part kinda sounds like "If entropy..." and we know the word entropy has 2 meanings, randomness and heat.
And the word cold could either mean chili or "you are far away" so I was thinking maybe all the words have double meanings. Hence shuffled (i.e. shuffled meanings!) But i will take a good look at some of the words, maybe we will find the alt meanings!
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