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[OFFTOPIC] Revolutions [SPOILERS]
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Mooni
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Mayalla wrote:
The absence of humor in all of the movies


Maybe I've just got a warped sense of humor, but I actually found the third film the most amusing! Just a few things that made me giggle:

1. Agent Smith freaking out over the Oracle's cookies
2. The scene in the S&M club when everyone is holding a gun to someone else's head
3. Neo's emphatic "Shit!" when trapped at the station
4. One of the captain's incredulous remarks about Niobe's driving skills
5. Smith's confusion at the end, when he starts quoting the Oracle
6. Neo's "I'm afraid you'll have to drive" when he loses his eyes
7. And - funniest of all - Trinity's death scene Wink

I admit, none of these were exactly thigh-slappers, but they were effective because they broke the tension in certain scenes.

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone read the article about the Revolutions screenings in Singapore? Apparently half-way through the film, the sound got seriously out of synch with the video, so that in the final battle between Neo and Smith, Smith says "Kiss me Neo; kiss me for the last time"! Very Happy

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Mooni wrote:

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone read the article about the Revolutions screenings in Singapore? Apparently half-way through the film, the sound got seriously out of synch with the video, so that in the final battle between Neo and Smith, Smith says "Kiss me Neo; kiss me for the last time"! Very Happy



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lmao...god that sucks and rocks at the same time =]

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peter_magenheimer
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Well, I've heard MANY people insisting there will be a 4th, and even a 5th and 6th Matrix movie, and I've come to the conclusion that all of these people have seen no more than about 4 sci-fi movies (the Matrix trilogy, and maybe one Star Wars movie). I walked out of the movie arguing with a friend about the possibility of more Matrix movies, and this is basically what I said.

I hate to say it, but there will NOT be any more Matrix movies (at least major, cinematic titles). I don't think people realize that this trilogy is sci-fi, and it's a rule that every sci-fi movie, TV series, or book MUST end in a disappointing way. Some may say "Well, they have to make another movie, there's still much more explaining to do!!!!" No, they don't have to make another one. They don't have to explain anything more. That's what directors and writers do, they leave you hanging, wanting more. They leave the speculation up to you. And, personally, I'm glad they did.

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On the movie itself:

Was it just me, or did anyone else leave the theater thinking "Wow, that did NOT feel like a Matrix movie..."? Maybe it was because of the fact that I had to sit in the front row (the dialogue between Neo and Trin at the end did horrible things to my neck...), but something about the movie just didn't seem Matrix-y. Like it didn't fit.

Or maybe I'm just crazy.

I was a little disappointed with the lack of bullet-time. The only really amazing super-slowmotion scene in the movie was the whole "punch Agent Smith so fast that rain drops seem to stop and his face looks like Play-Doh" scene. That was art. Or something.

I was hoping that Revolutions would end in the same "Heart of the City" hotel (or whatever it was, I can't remember) room as M1 began and ended. You'd think the W brothers would have done something like that, to lend some closure to the trilogy.

But overall, not a bad movie!

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peter_magenheimer wrote:

Was it just me, or did anyone else leave the theater thinking "Wow, that did NOT feel like a Matrix movie..."?


Yeah sort of got that feeling a bit aswell first time round but tried to shake it off.

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I was hoping that Revolutions would end in the same "Heart of the City" hotel (or whatever it was, I can't remember) room as M1 began and ended. You'd think the W brothers would have done something like that, to lend some closure to the trilogy.


Now that would have been cool
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Hey, did anyone say how Seraph and Sati got out of the room with all the Smiths? Or didn't they, and they just came back to life when Smith got all blowed up, like the Oracle did?

Had a dream that Stuart Scott was doing play by play of M3. "And here comes Neo, got his PhD - his playa hata degree! Biggin' up against Smith, with the gi-normous punch in the rain...I ain't gonna say nothin', but that ain't right. Booyah! Gettin' his bunnies with the badooka punch! And the Oracle said ya got-ta rise up-pah!"

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Omnie
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peter_magenheimer wrote:
On the movie itself:

Was it just me, or did anyone else leave the theater thinking "Wow, that did NOT feel like a Matrix movie..."? Maybe it was because of the fact that I had to sit in the front row (the dialogue between Neo and Trin at the end did horrible things to my neck...), but something about the movie just didn't seem Matrix-y. Like it didn't fit.

Or maybe I'm just crazy.


Yeah...I know exactly what you mean. The reason it felt like that for me was because the movie didn't make my mind twist itself into little impossible pretzel shapes... nearly the entire thing was predictable. Especially the end... although that may just be for those of us who'd spent the last six months unraveling the philosophy behind Reloaded. And I guess it makes sense that Rev. follows Reloaded so closely...they are one big movie, not two stand-alone movies. The second half should logically follow the first. But still, Matrix movies had always been linked in my mind with those "Whoa!" type of moments (like Reloaded's Architect scene). And in this movie, I only got some of those moments from fight scenes...


joebrent wrote:
Hey, did anyone say how Seraph and Sati got out of the room with all the Smiths? Or didn't they, and they just came back to life when Smith got all blowed up, like the Oracle did?


(Paraphrasing)
Oracle: What did you do with Sati?
A Smith: Cookies need love just like anything else.
Oracle: You bastard...


So...she and Seraph got taken over.

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heatha
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It was implied, I guess, but I wasn't sure. Though the Oracle was taken over, too, and returned in her old form, as well as Sati.

Interesting that Seraph would take the child. If the name is meant to be a play on 'seraphim,' his role would have been to stay and minister to the Oracle, unless the child takes over the role as the representation of god.

I finally saw the movie, and I loved it. Theatre was half-full for the matinee show...plenty of room.

I stayed behind to watch the credits in case there were clues or something, and four or five other people were watching as intently as I was. Very Happy

Really well done. I think I'll go back and see it again.

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Strongjuan
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So you're saying there isn't anything special after or during the credits ?
Glad to hear it...I really need to go to the bathroom after all that popcorn and sotfdrink Embarassed

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Omnie
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heatha wrote:
Interesting that Seraph would take the child. If the name is meant to be a play on 'seraphim,' his role would have been to stay and minister to the Oracle, unless the child takes over the role as the representation of god.


What's interesting for the same reason is that the Oracle sends him to go with Trin (I love that, it's such a logical nickname...it seemed awkward to me that Neo and others would keep calling her Trinity) and Morpheus (should be called Morph or something, but I guess he's too dignified for that) to go find Neo. This to me implies that Seraph's purpose is NOT to protect the Oracle. If you remember from Reloaded, he protects "that which matters most." So...the path of the one? The future? By that I mean the best possible future, since a future is likely to happen no matter how hard you refrain from protecting it...

oh, I just had a better idea. The Oracle represents intuition and choice and basically the "humanizing" of the machines, right? If that's what Seraph is protecting, then it completely makes sense for him to find Neo and protect Sati. Neo will bring about her goal by allowing the machines to live in peace with humans, and Sati is the result of two programs who became very "human" indeed. Very Happy

Anyway, in the scene you mention, Seraph can leave because the Oracle doesn't need him to protect her. She fully intends to let Smith take her over as part of her master plan for defeating him by giving him false visions or whatever it was that she did (I need to go see this movie again). Sati is important for the best future because she is the first step in the new direction of machine evolution, so Seraph tries to protect her instead. Does that make sense?

I still haven't quite figured out who exactly Seraph is, though. There seem to be two possibilities - a former One, or a rogue program who rebelled from the other rogue programs to become a...rogue-rogue program? An anti-rogue rogue program? Ah well... if he is a former One, that would imply, from some things that the Merovingian said (Merv...hee!), that he is one as well. *brain explodes* Tomorrow, after my second viewing, maybe it will make more sense.

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On a completely different note, who else was annoyed about the explanation for why Neo could stop sentinels and see machine thingies? That was one of the possibilities that was floated around the forums, sure, but it was always the most shaky and illogical one, the most unappealing. Lo and behold, it's the one they used, and it's still shaky and illogical. Grr...my idea was so much better! MWAM wasn't better, I won't go that far, but...at least it would have been mind-blowing because I wouldn't have been expecting it. This source-connection thing was just...blech. It's one of the few of my failed predictions that really disappointed me...

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I see it alluded to here...but just to make it clear for those who didn't understand, the Oracle, Seraph, and Sati came back because the Matrix reset. The Oracle is an integral part of the Matrix, (so Seraph is too?), and Sati was a sky program. That is why they came back even though they all died/got taken over.

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Hmm... I don't think Sati was a sky program: if she was, she would have had a purpose (= govern the sky); but the reason she was up for deletion and had to ask Merovingian to help her hide in the matrix is because she was born just becuase, without a purpose.

Btw, thanks to everyone for replies to my "random thoughts".

One of 1000 thoughts that I didn't include is what I think might be a reference to Alice. Remember when Rama explains to Neo that when people say the word "love", they actually mean the label=word, not the emotion (or, in general, that which the medium (=language) describes) itself? In "Through the looking glass" Alice had this conversation with Humpty-Dumpty where he told her that words do not necessarily describe the thing itself, and you can make any word mean anything you want. She then goes into this forest where things have no names, and is forced to really contemplate what the things she sees are (she can't, for instance, remember the word "tree", and even forgets her own name).

The point is, people make words, "love", for example - and after having used it for a few millenia, they tend to recognize only the attributes of the label ("love is for humans", for example) and fail to see the essence of the emotion itself, which turns out to be entirely available for "programs" (though I think I should say "for AI", as that would probably more fairly represent the Bros' stance on the subject of AI/morality). I heard "Simulacra and Simulation" was somehow about that as well (copy without an original).
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yanka wrote:
I heard "Simulacra and Simulation" was somehow about that as well (copy without an original).


I have tried three time to read that.... I get further each go, but my small brain cannot quite get to grips with all the ideas (and I have to keep looking at a dictionary all the time to make sure that words I thought I knew the definition of, do actually mean what I thought). I think I need 'Simulacra and Simulation for dummies' kind of book.

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ParityBit wrote:
I have tried three time to read that.... I get further each go, but my small brain cannot quite get to grips with all the ideas (and I have to keep looking at a dictionary all the time to make sure that words I thought I knew the definition of, do actually mean what I thought). I think I need 'Simulacra and Simulation for dummies' kind of book.


Oh, I haven't even tried to read it (lol, I'm that lame), but I just read some reviews.
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