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[LOCKED] [META] What is or is not Cassie. AKA Be Wary
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Re: creepy for me...

hollabackmonkey wrote:
Okay, here's what's creepy for me, but also kind of fun, but I don't know what to make of it...

In response to "This is my story now," Cu posts "Casket of Tears." After the song ends (and, we presume, the tape would normally end), we have a shot of a guy searching the shoreline.

Then we get the blurry weird "ChildofCult" vid, in which we also see someone searching the shoreline. I think that it looks like the same guy Cu taped, but Cu identifies this figure as himself. This video also focuses on this "door to nowhere" that Cu says he saw at the park. (Is that the "cave" that someone posted people were in danger of being lured to?)

Now, in the new YTCassie vid, it seems like she's "watching" Bree at the park. Responses to this vid are also starting to interweave as various folks try to get to the dead drop, and we've also got this works-with-Tom-Green guy doing what may be an attempt at parody, which focuses on stained glass roses (I assume this is an intentional callback to the "red rose" tags on the ChildofCult vid).

Not to mention that awful awful "Paris by Air" video. I mean, really. WTF. No idea what to make of that thing, but if their plan is to have someone sit through their whole cruddy song, well, I'm sad to say that it worked.

Okay, but what I'm really getting at is this theme of "watching," and how it's starting to get layered so that Cassie is watching Bree, Cassie is watching players, the players are wathing Bree and each other via YT, and players retrieving dead drops are being watched by who knows whom. Which is kind of cool. But it's also creepy to think of someone taping you and putting it up on YT without you knowing it...

I'm new to ARG, but I have to wonder.... Is the "game" really more about this Mobius strip of watching/being watched? Maybe the dead drops are just a way to get people out so that the "watching" can occur?


I gotta say that when I went to park on Sunday, I was as curious about the clue as I was about who might be watching me. I hung back for quite a while trying see if somebody else was there to tape the scene. It did make me a bit nervous thinking that somebody could have been watching me from afar like in the other videos.

There was a huge white Hummer limo with blacked out windows that was parked so that it could have shot the scene, but other than that, I didn't see anything "suspicious". But, then again, I really wasn't paying much attention while we pulled the clue down and opened it up.

I'm new to these games, but it would seem to me that whoever put the clue there was probably hanging around to make sure that some 6 year old didn't abscond with it.

And a note about personal safety... for anyone to think that it was dangerous to go to this park in the middle of the afternoon on Sunday is nuts. There were a TON of kids and parents there. There are a couple soccer fields nearby and just a lot of activity. In fact, if anybody there should have raised any suspition, it would have been me with my digital camera filming a walk through the playground!

-goof

(That said, no way in hell I'm going to the mystery tunnel in the woods!)

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I had an email from Virginia Heffernan about an hour ago about how she was informed about cassieiswatching before the first video release of cassie's.

She says "I was tipped off to it in weird ways: Morse-code text messages, Skype IMs with a mysterious name, and that screwy audio file. The only
proof that what the person was saying was true is that he/she/they/it
had a photo and the coordinates of the swimming hole, so I believed
that there had been some contact with the original creators. But who
knows?"

What do you think? suspicious that she never mentioned this...and if she gets her info form the creators, couldn't she have asked them?

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Where to start?

Most importantly, I want to welcome those of you who've come here with an earnest interest in ARGs. You'll discover fairly quickly that this is an addiction, and there is no better place to scratch the itch...or lose sleep at.

With regards to Cassie, no I've never seen the extent of jacking to this degree before, but there were many games before my time so it may have happened. The largest factor involved here is that usually ARGs are pretty underground, usually only those in the community really have a grasp about what's going on. The more mainstream that an ARG becomes, the more people will follow it and just by simple probability you're going to get more undesirables. During ILB there was an incredible amount of frenzied, retarded, and moronic discussion from people whose only interest was getting an advanced copy of Halo 2...incidently that was my 1st ARG! We're seeing the same thing here, with Lonelygirl.

Cassie was perfectly timed. It took advantage of the window opened by the "outing" of Jessica and the ensuing media storm. It certainly grabbed my attention. It also drew in the attention of vandals, the results of which are why this discussion is being had. It's unfortunate because it may have derailed a very promising adventure.

As to the whole Manson issue, it's such a part of our culture that it really doesn't matter much whether or not the pictures are used to shock people for a horror movie or promote a brand of cereal. If you want to research it or exploit it the information is available. All knowledge is useful, and yes there are far more graphic images in mainstream comicbooks. Everyone has a different threshold for gore. I personally wasn't shocked a all.

As most on these forums are aware, though, I have some experience with personal tragedy being made very public. I stand by the axiom that pain shared is pain halved, but I had to speak up about the use of that picture for use in a recreational event. It was a personal choice, and I still stand by it. I had to let Cassie know that I wouldn't be a part of the "fun" if that continued, my conscience would never allow it.

I do not however believe it was Cassie's intention to hit that nerve. I don't think the original Cassie means anyone harm, and is probably freaked out too by now.

There are some very strange things going on, and there are several variables that warrant caution from everyone. The moron with the tunnel video is not the least of them. (Yeah I'm talking to you.) SO be cautious.

As far as the children are concerned, they're going to do whatever they decide to do. My parents couldn't keep me or my brothers locked in the house. Of course there's someing to be noted by the fact that I was an Airforce brat, whose father then went into law enforcement, and after 20 years of that he joined the Army. My father was on the SWAT team as a sniper, and the Dive team as a rescuer. Needless to say his sons have a similar bent. Looking back I'm honestly surprised that I've lived this long with some of the stunts we pulled as kids. In my opinon if you coddle your children you are doing them a disservice.

Regardless, I don't care if you're 10 or 40, a cautionary word from anyone will make your day go a little smoother with whatever endeavor you undertake. So even if a peice of advice seems elementary, and juvenile to mention, you're better off mentioning it. No one should presume that they are ever safe, anywhere, doing anything. That assumption is usually what gets folks into trouble to start out with.

So kids, use your heads and don't run off half-cocked.

Cassie is losing a great deal of her promise. That last/first clue was very shoddy, and may have been the deathknell of this one. I hope it was a rushed "solution" to the gamejacking. It was certainly sloppy. I think it's pretty much going to wind down from here.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope that Cassie comes back with a homerun...but that seems VERY unlikely.

Stay safe everybody! (that doesn't mean barricade yourself inside the house)
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Re: creepy for me...

hollabackmonkey wrote:

In response to "This is my story now," Cu posts "Casket of Tears." After the song ends (and, we presume, the tape would normally end), we have a shot of a guy searching the shoreline.

Then we get the blurry weird "ChildofCult" vid, in which we also see someone searching the shoreline. I think that it looks like the same guy Cu taped, but Cu identifies this figure as himself. This video also focuses on this "door to nowhere" that Cu says he saw at the park. (Is that the "cave" that someone posted people were in danger of being lured to?)


Just to clarify, it's called the Bridge to Nowhere, an interesting artifact. Based on the maps I've seen, there is a tunnel near the pool... but noone should go there or give this guy any more attention. Simply to err on the side of caution.
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Cu Roi wrote:

Most importantly, I want to welcome those of you who've come here with an earnest interest in ARGs. You'll discover fairly quickly that this is an addiction, and there is no better place to scratch the itch...or lose sleep at.


I'm new and fascinated. I remember ilovebees, but had no idea what at ARG was at the time or that it was one. So thanks for introducing a shiny new addiction, and I hope I'll be somewhat useful.

In regards to Child of the Cult, he comes off as a sort of youtube troll. Obviously, caution should be excerised and going to the tunnel isn't necessarily wise, but he seems mostly harmless, as trolls tend to be. Instead of inundating a forum with asinine comments, he instead is a new, dedicated breed of troll, making creepy videos to disturb the masses.

Ignoring him is sound advice.
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Firstly, thanks to the moderators for moving this to a meta discussion - I didn't intend my original comments to do anything other bring an investigation back on track (I haven't had time to read that thread yet...)

I'm glad the anchorcove people had a chance to respond - when I saw the cassie thread deleted this morning, I was somewhat appalled, but having read their reasons... well, I'm still appalled, but I do understand more why they took the decision. Fair 'nuf, as far as I'm concerned.

LG15 is dealing with some fairly contentious material anyway, but I'm no great fan of how they've handled it so far. They seem to wimp out on the detail: take away the very charismatic actress they've found and the story looks a bit threadbare. I'll be watching though, and hoping that this episode won't see them playing to the sponsors by diluting the mix even further. With the premise they've set up (not just in the narrative, but in their relationship to the idea of authorship), running away and distancing themselves from it all would be a terrible waste.

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Not deleted. We have a recycle bin. All the hard work and opinions of the members are still in tact, just unable to be replied to, and moved to a different section.

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Sarojin wrote:
Not deleted. We have a recycle bin. All the hard work and opinions of the members are still in tact, just unable to be replied to, and moved to a different section.


Ah... That's slightly more poetic! An adequate metaphor for that morning after the night before type of thing. I kind of imagine you sweeping cans and broken bottles off the floor, the place reeking of various kinds of smoke...

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Cu Roi wrote:
Cassie is losing a great deal of her promise. That last/first clue was very shoddy, and may have been the deathknell of this one. I hope it was a rushed "solution" to the gamejacking. It was certainly sloppy. I think it's pretty much going to wind down from here.


Why was it shoddy?

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ravensgrace wrote:
Cu Roi wrote:
Cassie is losing a great deal of her promise. That last/first clue was very shoddy, and may have been the deathknell of this one. I hope it was a rushed "solution" to the gamejacking. It was certainly sloppy. I think it's pretty much going to wind down from here.


Why was it shoddy?


There wasn't a terrible amount of ingenuity used. It's true that we had to hit the park twice to find the clue, but that was due more to us not being able to clearly see the material we had with us on site, our bad for rushing out there. A lyric led us to the slide, and all the pictures were simply there to confirm to us that it was in fact the right place to be. They could have thrown in a little bit of a traditional treasure hunt at least. (ie: one clue leading us around the area a bit)

Once we had the clue, it was very straight forward. I didn't decode it, but if you're going to introduce a puzzle around here, it had better be at least a little interesting. The puzzle guys here are razor sharp, even the difficult puzzles won't stand for long.

Once we had solved the clue, the audio clip we were given was all but unintelligable. This is probably due to it being rushed, but it still dead ends us and defeats the purposed of the whole exercise.

I'm just say'n. Wink
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Cu Roi wrote:
There wasn't a terrible amount of ingenuity used. It's true that we had to hit the park twice to find the clue, but that was due more to us not being able to clearly see the material we had with us on site, our bad for rushing out there. A lyric led us to the slide, and all the pictures were simply there to confirm to us that it was in fact the right place to be. They could have thrown in a little bit of a traditional treasure hunt at least. (ie: one clue leading us around the area a bit)

Once we had the clue, it was very straight forward. I didn't decode it, but if you're going to introduce a puzzle around here, it had better be at least a little interesting. The puzzle guys here are razor sharp, even the difficult puzzles won't stand for long.

Once we had solved the clue, the audio clip we were given was all but unintelligable. This is probably due to it being rushed, but it still dead ends us and defeats the purposed of the whole exercise.

I'm just say'n. Wink


Nah, I think the clues were just given out of sequence! Although, I can understand your disappointment, because of all the excitement you must have felt finding the first "clue", and the huge letdown upon finding it was a fake. All that work... Sad I've gamed for about 18 years, so I definitely understand that feeling!

Awesome videos though! Smile

By the way, have you read my post over here?

I think it goes much deeper than we realize. I know we are on the right track, and so does Cassie, which is why her video comment now reads, "I SEE YOU AGAIN".

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Could someone link me to the tunnel to nowhere video? i can't find it.

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I feel we're on the right track with the theory that Cassie is Bree's alternate personality. The videos prove it out. "I was here." Cassie is always going to be where Bree has been, because she is Bree.

Planning and executing story lines for many years gives me a decent instinct about stories and plots. This story is really well planned, and I think the next clue is going to prove it. Whoever is behind this knows what they are doing, and recovered exceptionally well from an actual gamejack, which is rare enough as it stands! 10 points for the recover.

Only time shall tell the truth of these words...

P.S. Where to find the clue was not given all at once so they could prevent the early bird jacking the worm. Wink Oh, how much I wished I lived in LA right now!

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Zazaban wrote:
Could someone link me to the tunnel to nowhere video? i can't find it.


There was a public announcement that the police were getting involved, and for no one to go anywhere near it. Best to just drop it.

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Cu Roi wrote:
There wasn't a terrible amount of ingenuity used. It's true that we had to hit the park twice to find the clue, but that was due more to us not being able to clearly see the material we had with us on site, our bad for rushing out there. A lyric led us to the slide, and all the pictures were simply there to confirm to us that it was in fact the right place to be. They could have thrown in a little bit of a traditional treasure hunt at least. (ie: one clue leading us around the area a bit)


Ok, I am just dying to point this out, because no else has mentioned it. I read at least two posts that saw a limo at the park. The song lyrics contain a line about "going for a ride". I know people think it meant the slide, but that doesn't mean they are correct. Quite a simple matter to pay a limo company to pick up a large group of people and drop them off at a specified location, or even to just have the clue waiting inside the limo, or even have the driver give the clue only to someone holding the clue found in the park. etc. etc. So, if someone had approached the limousine...?

As I've said, I think things are very well planned, but people were expecting so much less, and details were overlooked.

By the way, did anyone get the phone number off the payphone at the park? I'm curious if it has any significance.

EDIT: spelling correction

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