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[ArchGod]

I had to take a little break from the forum to make sure that I didn't read anything before seeing the movie. And now that I've seen the movie, i have to talk about it.

[Omnie]

[Gracer]

Agreed, Omnie. Neo didn't think he was coming back from this mission. He spent a long time thinking about it, after hearing from the Oracle that he and Smith were opposites. He knew there couldn't be a winner(in terms of Smith and Neo -- winner in terms of Zion not being destroyed because of agreement made with the Machine Intelligence Face; no more positive and negative anomolies).

Well, I think that's how it goes anyway. You know how it is...repeated viewings required.

[Azathoth666]

And sorry, no... I have no insight to the Freaky Ghostly Sentinel Phenomenon. Nor can I answer why, after it happens, Trin grabs hold of Neo and says "Gotcha"... hmm...

[Omnie]

Oh, darn, so no one knows? Do you know what that means?!? It means I'll have to go to Matrix forums now and see what those guys think about it... and here I was all proud of myself for being efficient enough to play an ARG and discuss the Matrix all in one forum. Drat...well, I guess I'll go forage for info and report back with my findings.

[Edit] Darn it. That didn't help. The consensus seems to be that, after Neo destroyed that one sentinel that was about to pass through the windshield, its spirit passed through him on its way back to the Source. That theory is based on the theory that Neo's golden vision involves him seeing the auras or spirits of the machines. I dunno about that, so that sentinel explanation really isn't working for me...

[Edit #2] I didn't phrase that exactly right. I should have mentioned that, in addition to the spirits theory, a lot of people seem to think that Neo may actually be seeing the machines' energy...so it's the energy of the sentinel that passes through him. This doesn't work any better for me than the other theory, but I figured I should clear that up...[/Edit #2]

But I have no right to complain, I don't even have a theory on this...oh, yes! An excuse to watch the movie a third time!

[green_knight]

When that sentinel hit neo (in the ship with trinity), he realized that the machines

couldn't exist above the clouds (check revelations for an informant type)...also, neo

was unconscious above the clouds, while Trinity was able to see it, because neo is

basically just a program in a human body, like smith. Neo phases through the glowing

squiddie on the ship like the twins phased through their cars, and one caught the

other one in his car. I think this is to show that the twins have a relationship

parallel to Neo and trinity's. Both pawns, both love each other. Love being

explained by Rama as merely a word for a type of connection. I think Neo and trinity

are both programs, both together in the source. Remember in reloaded when Neo went

through the door that was supposed to lead to the destruction of zion but allow him

to stay with Trinity? The only way that's possible is if they're both programs in

people's bodies.

The Merovingians are french royalty that said they could trace their lineage back

to Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene. If Neo is the Christ figure, Trinity is like a

Mary Magdalene. Their child would be the Merovingian or an ancestor of his. Since

Neo is a reincarnation of the One, the Mero could very well be the child of the

original One with the original Trinity (or any previous incarnation of the One and

Trinity).

Its possible that Neo is a sort of Dark city type creation, where a human evolves to

the point where he can adapt to his surroundings. If he and Smith are truly

opposites, it could be that Neo is just an evolutionary necessity, where a human

adapts to the computer language, and that one always does in every generation. This

would make him a complete opposite of Smith, but I don't know if that's one of the

things they'll have in common or be opposite on. I mean, Neo's not a woman, for one.

So they have to have some things in common. Just have to filter out the less obvious

ones. Personally I buy into them both being programs that inhabit bodies, and that

(like someone else here said) Neo is a human, (one that adapted to the programming

through evolution) and the One is a program that merged with Neo. That's the idea

I'm going with.


As for the sentinel, I think he just phased, so it would go through him. And like the twins, Trinity caught him. That would explain the "gotcha"

[Bamba-MAN]

I watched it and it was awesome!!!! Good dialoges, good action, good plot - Way better then M2!

[XtRaVa]

green knight...most of what u just said was complete crap, if that has offended u then im sorry, but it really is.

neo and trinity being programs? lol

mero being their son? lol

mero even stated in the second movie he had survived neos predecessors...

sorry, but there wasnt much u said that id ever, ever, ever agree wiv. if my theories were as dramatic (and blatently as wrong) as yours, i wudnt post it like u just did...but perhaps u thought it was a good theory, if u did, im sorry again, but surely u cant still think what u just said makes sense?

O.O bye

[joebrent]

Yeah, but it was worthwhile reading this thread because Bamba-Man is now quoting "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" in his sig. Great movie, great Ennio Morricone score.

[Ahriman]

[XtRaVa]

The Oracle probably planned a lot of it yeah, she was fed up with the war. Whether or not she helped Smith come back so that Neo would cause peace by destroying smith for them is another question, but highly plausable...and very possible. Good ideas =]

Oh, and Neo is definitely more powerful than any other One, Merv shows us this several times...

[Chinghis]

Interesting that the Oracle and Architect have something of a competition going on, using Humans as pawns. Strikes me as similar to the plot of Babylon 5....

[Omnie]

[Azathoth666]

I think that Smith calling the Oracle "Mom" throws back to the whole "mother-of-the-matrix" thing we all dismissed so easily after Reloaded. It's apparent now that the Oracle and the Architect are equal opposites (one sees the future through intuition and the other creates the future through planning).

The Oracle chose to help end the war. Whether or not she new she'd be able to talk to Neo from within Smith, I don't know, but I think that she knew that if she didn't give it a shot, Neo wouldn't figure it out. We all know the Oracle has taken cheap shots at Neos' intelligence before...

I also don't know what you were on about green_knight. Sorry. It just didn't make sense to me... maybe you need to watch it again.

And I'm not so sure that the Oracle and the Architect are competing against each other... I think they are both just trying to solve the problems they see in their own unique way: the Architect only sees the problems with the Matrix, and the Oracle sees that Matrix-problems overflow into the real world.

I'm curious if, seeing as he got everyone else, Smith took over the Architect. That would've been an interesting conversation to listen to...

[spec]

Architect: "(blahblahblah)systematic anomoly (blahblah) analoguous (blahblahblahblah) vis a vi (blahblahblah) ergo it is irrelevant"

Smith: "No. It is invetable"

Architect: "(blahblahblahblahblah)..."

(Smith gets sick of being talked at and lays the smack down on the Architects candy ass)

Smith/Architect: "Oh. Thats so much better. I can speak in monosyllables again..."

[/spec]

hee!

[green_knight]

Hey XtraVa,

Thanks for your opinion. A little more explanation on your ideas rather than "its complete crap" would be more helpful though.

As for Neo and Trinity being programs...

I'm looking for a new angle on the whole thing. This is my current idea, trying to find a way to make things fit. All the other more popular ideas I've already thought about, and read about to death. Doesn't mean they're wrong, they just don't satisfy all my questions. I'm trying out ideas to find something that I'm a little happier with, as far as all the questions and answers go.

Anyway, I meant to say I believe the One and Trinity are separate from their physical counterparts, Thomas Anderson and whatever Trinity's real name is. It was stated that the One is basically a reincarnation of the same script, program, or data, and that Neo is the 6th. Its also stated by the architect that he's had the same choice to make each time, which means that there was a person filling the Trinity function as the One's lover in each incarnation. I did not mean to say that Neo and Trinity themselves are the exact same first One and his lover, but they are obviously reincarnated with the same connection, 6 times so far, as stated by the architect. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

As far as the Merovingian being a child of the two, I will be clearer on that as well. I meant to say a child of a previous One and his lover, who happen to be reincarnated as Neo and Trinity. The Wachowskis have said that all the names have meanings. The Merovingians in our history are royalty that trace their lineage back to Christ. If Neo is symbolically the Christ figure, the sacrificial Messiah, and he is reincarnated, as stated, then it is possible that the Merovingian is related in this way. It would make sense based on what he's calling himself.

Someone had the idea that maybe the ONE is not a program, but data given to a human so he could control the matrix. The idea is that it was in that cookie the oracle gave Neo the first time he went to see her. Activated by Trinity's kiss, he then resurrected and gained the ONE's power. Remember, cookies need love too!

Hopefully by explaining a little bit of the logic behind my statements, you'll get a better understanding where I'm coming from on this.

I haven't been insulting to you for having a different opinion, do me the same courtesy.