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[PUZZLE] #241 Silver - T-L-P
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ryandrew
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 		Has anyone had an accepted solve of this one so far?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:57 am
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PC Tex Ripley
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 		Yes, and I'm hoping Zaeil will share.. Smile


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zaeil
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 		I just lifted it out of sixsidedsquare's post...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
~(P v ~Q)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:14 pm
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WhatTheXXX
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 		T-L-P
Although I have not yet touched one these silver cards they do intrigue me - feel free to send any duplicates.

Regards this one, I would be forced to agree with the conclusions drawn here although I am uncertain as to whether or not anyone has tried the answer yet.

However, it seems that T-L-P is not a primarily or singularly a reference to Wittgenstein, although the diagrams belie this, but in fact to
The Liar Paradox, wherein (according to Wiki);

In philosophy and logic, the liar paradox encompasses paradoxical statements such as:

I am lying now.
This statement is false.

To avoid having a sentence directly refer to its own truth value, one can also construct the paradox as follows:

The following sentence is true.
The preceding sentence is false.

Such statements would lead inevitably to Aristotle's Law of Non-Contradiction that;

In logic, the law of noncontradiction judges as false any proposition P asserting that both proposition Q and its denial, proposition not-Q, are true at the same time and "in the same respect". In the words of Aristotle, "One cannot say of something that it is and that it is not in the same respect and at the same time."

More tersely, for any proposition P, it is not both the case that P and not-P.

Symbolically, this is expressed as......

yes you've guessed it: ¬(P ? ¬P)

obviously the q needs to disappear.

Unless Zaeil is correct which seems I should shut up. Like Wittgenstein said to finish off his T-L-P., "whereof one cannot speak thereof there must be silence".

Well he actually said Woven man nicht sprechen kann daruber muss mann schwegen but let's not split hairs here....





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WhatTheXXX
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 		p.s. that's ~p(p+~p)

I don't know where that question mark came from?

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WhatTheXXX
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 		No it can't be that simple surely.

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zaeil
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 		What, do you not believe me and the handful of others who have also solved this one? Very Happy
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SheRa
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 		Yes -- it is that simple.

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mumbles2
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 		solve?????
so whats the solve, driving me nuts this......

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mumbles2
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 		solve?????
so whats the solve, driving me nuts this......

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Sentinel
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 		I don't wanna give it away to other people who may still be trying to solve this card, but the solve is on this page in a spoiler. if you need more help. pm me.
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brennagg
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 		 TLP
THANKS TO ALL FOR HELP WITH THIS ONE IN FORUM....GOT SOLVE ONCE HAD BEEN PUT ON RIGHT TRACK

CHEERS ALL!!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:51 am
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