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[UPDATE] Library of Babel - To Begin.
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filmguy1013
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notso wrote:
Someone mentioned New York Central Library.

Wasn't there something hidden in that library as part of the pre-game? I'm thinking postcards in a copy of Alice in Wonderland.

Just thinking out loud.


Notso,

I agree... I thought of this also when someone mentioned it earlier. Those of us who followed Project Syzygy got a video with all sorts of newspapers and dates flashing in it, only one was an intersection, instead of a newspaper, with the word "Alice". when someone went there, it was the library in NYC and they found a postcard for the game tucked inside Alice in Wonderland. It would be very circular if the cube was there... but at the very least it would make sense that CT was in fact in NYC and left the card himself... or it could simply have been a puzzle put together by MC to gain awarness of PXC per Sente's requests... either way, going back to the "rabbit hole" may not be such a bad idea, imho.

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bit1313
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Funny. When I posted that, I didn't realize that I was bringing you back the begining of the game. (I wasn't here then)

I actually woke up at 3am and sat staight up in bed and said "New York Library" and my wife thought I was crazy.

/happy emotion on
Anyway... I agree about the team work thing. I expect that some one is sitting on "secret research" (not that anyone in this game has sat on secret research... ummm... SENTE!!). I thought about just sitting back and waiting for more theories, clues and puzzles to be solved and then secretly hightailing it to the NYPL to see what I could see (or Central Park for that matter). Then I thought about it... what fun is that? I know that *I* will not find the cube. But if I can help someone or a team of people.. that is reward enough. I can't do all the puzzles and logic for some of the cards... but, like everyone else, I can dream and think and SHARE.

/happy emoition off

(BTW - the Borges book "Libarary of Babel" is housed in a special collection in the NYPL. You have to have a special card from the research that I have done. Just thought I would mention it. I can see the poor librarians around the water cooler now - "I've had 15 people ask me for access to the Borges collection. ME TOO! There is a line at the "Special Collections" door. WTF is going on???????") Rolling Eyes

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1. I don't see many of the same people who used to post in the boards. is that because people think they may be close and don't want to share their speculation?


I don't think so - most have just "gone elsewhere", places like Perplexorum have a much higher level of traffic, and *good*, solid speculation and solving going on these days.

Edit: Fixed that username for ya and corrected your link, since I also disagree with your assessment and this has, yes, been covered before. Posts like this amuse me to no end. Were I to have the choice of hanging out in a bucket of poo or in a fluffly marshmallow castle full of peppermint dreams, I certainly wouldn't keep coming back to the bucket of poo just to make sure the castle really was still better. -SpaceBass

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" Guest " Juxta, you left out the rest of drinkmonsters' observations about sticking together. Oh, oops, that's right, you left.
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And now for some bad, flimsy speculation. I think "tenuous" would be a compliment for this Very Happy

Combed Thunderclap wrote:
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I've given you all you need to begin. Be simple.
Start by answering the obvious questions.


"OK", I thought. "Let's be simple, look at the obvious questions. Starting with card #001."

I understand that card #001 was handed out at the NYC Toy Fair? I've always had a thing for the Cube being in NYC, after seeing the cards #051 and #052:

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"Where?" "Not here" and "Greetings from?" "New York City"


and even more now from CT's descriptions of his arrival on Earth.

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We have been told the Cube is in North America and it's been somewhere aboreal. We can assume the Cube has been in New York City. The best fit for an aboreal location in NYC is Central Park.


Not sure about cards #002 and #003. Not even my tortured logic could squeeze them into this thought process!

Card #004 asked us to find zoo animals which have escaped from a zoo.

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Central Park Zoo could be a potential location of the Cube.

Also, there was a hoax which appeared on the front page of the New York Herald on November 9, 1874 regarding animals which had escaped from the Zoo.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/zoo.html


Card #005 featured trees. Card #006 was called "Winning Lines" (card #030 suggests we need to walk a straight line). Card #007 featured ice-cream, which is available at the location (sorry, I *did* say this was tenuous!!).

About this point I went off on a different tack, mainly because I was having trouble fitting the cards to my thought process!

The number sequence:

Quote:

127 77 28 64 160 176 11 30


would produce a series of cards which end with:

"The Lake", "Revelation", "End of the Line"

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Central Park Zoo has a lake by the south entrance.


There appears to be a Beale Cipher at the top of the "Revelation" card, but I've not been able to get a high enough resolution scan of it.

The title for card #030 seems to have been causing confusion, but in this sequence of cards, it makes more sense. Gyvann's words from "End of the Line":

Quote:

Precious are the stones my children, precious that which is dug from the earth. Precious are the rubies, the diamonds, the emeralds and the topaz. I held fast to the amethysts. They mingled them with sapphires, so I threw them both from me. Only one choice remained and from then nothing was right. My children I did not despair, as you must not despair. A quadruped appeared before me, its middle leg held proudly forward. I turned my back to it and strode forward. But after only 20 ammot the light was upon me. Precious, my children, is the light.


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Mention is made of some of these gems in "The Wonderful O": "the fabled sapphires and emeralds and rubies" (according to this thread http://perplexorum.com/showthread.php?t=747&page=2 on Perplexorum).


There's something about those precious stones and I get the funny feeling Gyvann's trying to give us the instructions for creating an anagram or cipher. The last four sentences seem to me to be the way to find the Cube (or the "precious light", at least) and all we need is to know where to start from.

A quadruped with a middle leg?? There are several animal statues at the location. Could the middle leg be a tail?

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http://www.centralparknyc.org/virtualpark/southend/tigressandcubs

The statue is in the Intelligence Garden. Also, the word "CUB" appears on the green leitmark in full and some of the letters can be arranged to read "TIGRESS AND CUB"(sic).

http://perplexcitywiki.com/wiki/Image:Green.jpg


From other threads, 20 ammot is 8 metres.

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Does that tree look like it might be 8 metres behind the statue?

http://www.cpzbook.com/tigress_statue.jpg


Now, of course this is mere speculation, but there are enough coincidences that it would make me very uneasy to ignore the possiblity of the Cube being buried there. Actually, my favorite coincidence:

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One of the books noted by CT was "Hamlet", which contains the line "What a piece of work is man". A version of this appears on the ship's computer screen in the animated film "Madagascar": "What A Piece of Work Is Penguin". The animals in the film escaped from Central Park Zoo.


Of course, I'd feel a lot happier having something concrete to work from, but I suppose that's what the Jorge Luis Borges trail will deliver.

What about CT's talk of being picked up and apparently flying? To fit this speculation, he'd have to have been dropped off at the location or he started from there and hid the Cube before being picked up. The flying could relate to birds, but it seems quite disconnected, a different style from what was written before. Drugged?

Anyway, that's my speculation. Enjoy Smile

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I posted a couple of hours ago, saying that I had been unaware of the initial problems that had occured, but that I had been posting on both forums as I had not known that this was not good "form". I also objected to the flaming as it made me feel uncomfortable. The post and several others that were here have been removed. That makes me feel even more uncomfortable. If you are going to remove my posts, I would appreciate at least being told why this is necessary, as all I had said was that from what I believed ARG's were supposed to be played with a spirit of co-operation, and had said nothing critical of anybody.

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I don't believe any posts were deleted: the off-topic parts were split and moved to the Meta forum (albeit without referencing links, now added).
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I've been lurking for a while here, and I had a quick thought. The first clue we have is "half the world," right? And the two joker cards are Persian and Secret Location. We know the relevance of Secret Location to this puzzle already, and we've never found a connection between the card Persian and its title. Here's the thing: there's an ancient Persian saying that "Isfahan is half the world." I know it's a bit tenuous, but given that 1) Persian and Secret Location are related, and 2) the title "Persian" has significance at all, this combination of clues might be pointing toward Isfahan. Maybe the Uqbar clue ties into this as well.

This does leave a few questions unanswered, most importantly what do "region" and "realm" have anything to do with Isfahan?

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excuse me for being pessamistic, but isn't Central Park too obvious?

granted we've been told the cube was buried, and to dig up all of central park would be a pain (unless we had some exact coordintes..)

I'm not usually a pessamist, but it just seems too easy..

anyways, I'm about 102 minutes away from there by train, so if anyone does trek out there (and it's not a day I'm working) I'd be happy to tag along.

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the Cube has been in New York City


i hate to be a say this but 'been' means in the past. so it may not even be there any more.

and i don't know new york that well (or at all) but Central Park must be a very public places. where you be seen digging an hole and puting a box inside and some one else would go and dig it up with out know what it was.

but it may be on the NY subway system under Central park???
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I hate to say this too, but the cube was buried at the beginning, at which point they would not be sure that they would have many US players.

So it's much more likely to be in the UK.


PS I am also in the UK, and in no way biased.

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MC have been very keen to push for expansion in the US from the very beginning. Maybe they gave themselves an incentive to do so (and free trip across the pond) by burying it in Nevada somewhere:

Michael Smith's Mum: You buried it where?!!!

Michael Smith: Erm...Nevada, mum

Michael Smith's Mum: How did you afford the tickets??!!

Michael Smith: A nice man invested in us.

Michael Smith's Mum: ...

Michael Smith's Mum: So how are people supposed to find it then?

Adrian Hon: I told him not to Mrs. Smith, but he said that he'd make me go on the London Eye in a pod full of weirdos.

Michael Smith's Mum: I'm sure you did Adrian dear, would you like some more chocolate milk?

Michael Smith: But we'll get loads of players in America...

Michael Smith's Mum: Oh really? So why's it "Mornington Crescent" and not "Dyckman Street" then? You go and think about what you've done.

Michael Smith: it's so unfair.

Michael Smith's Mum: What was that?

Michael Smith: I like your hair.


I'm off to get this nonsense out of my system...sorry
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This is the sculpture out front of the New York Library for the Performing Arts. Looks like 5 fingers to me.

http://michaelminn.net/newyork/lincoln_center/2001-09-01-15.jpg

::edit::
http://www.nypl.org/research/lpa/images/lpabuilding.jpg

better view, smaller pic.

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you know, I'll answer my own question. From what I can tell, that five fingered hand points down 65th street towards Central Park.

And one of the statues in the park along that line? William Shakespeare.
http://www.centralparknyc.org/virtualpark/photogalleries/sculpturetour

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I almost went down that path of thought on Central Park.

I have a list of notes on the statues and the area.. in short it goes like this:

There is a Shakespeare Theatre and statue in Central Park near the Great Lawn

The Great Lawn has a track around it (1/8 mile walking track) - hence "going around in circles" and "where does the circle begin" from CTs clues.

In the Northeast corner of the Great Lawn is a group of trees. They are LONDON PLAIN TREES (I almost peed myself when I read that)

Borges was in Central Park for a photo opp back in 1962 (I think it was)

Thurber was in Central Park was well. His museum in Ohio also has three Central Park benches.

On a side note - there are some Alice in Wonderland statues in Central Park as well.

Someone (name escapes me know) was once quoted as saying "Central Park is the Crystal Cube in the center of the Big Apple (New York City)" Just mentioning that.. as I found it whilst searching.

At the same time, I have thought "Gee.. is that right that MC would put a UK games solution in the US." I would think that it would kinda piss off about 99.9% of our British brothers and sisters that would never make the trip to the US only on spec that something might be there and that they might very well get here, walk right by it and still not find it.

You do know that once the cube is found, we will all just shake our heads because someone will have posted the answer and we just didn't react. Rolling Eyes

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