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molecularr
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Joined: 22 Sep 2005
Posts: 313
Location: xanadu

Gee, thanks for confirming my address and real name to a guy who wants to kick my ass for no reason Wink

Seriously, though, this is pointless and annoying. They should spend their time making actual puzzles and story content instead of threatening players.

EDIT: The more I think about this, the more it makes me mad. Here they are (i.e. whoever's behind the scenes) stringing us along very little exposition of story content, acting as though it's reasonable to expect us to translate clumsy, arbitrary words simply by staring at them long enough Question

And now John's threatening me based on information he couldn't have in-game (I don't think I've given my real name to anyone except Bryan)? This is the first ARG I've played, so I don't have much to base this on, but this is in poor taste. I've put a fair amount of time into this game and stuck with it even though I had my doubts. I don't think it's very considerate of them or respectful of the time I've put into it to threaten me like that, even if it is in-game. The bottom line is that this has been too sloppy a game to be worth playing along with something this dumb.

It's been fun, but I've got better things to do. I've enjoyed the community here, so hopefully we'll get to collaborate on a better game some time in the future. But as far as this one goes, I'm done with it.

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:06 am

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

molecularr wrote:

I must say, I agree with you molecularr. Where's The Beef Question

How I feel at the moment:
Sad

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:51 am
Last edited by Sylvia on Tue Oct 31, 2006 2:35 am; edited 1 time in total

GoodChild
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Joined: 25 Feb 2006
Posts: 616
Location: Solitary Confinement

molecularr wrote:

Very little exposition of story content? I disagree, I think we've had a lot of story content so far. Keep in mind that the average length of an arg is three month. If you want to see an arg that's short on content and long on frustration, peek your head into AV sometime. By comparison, this game is awesome.

We've had puzzles. We still have some. There's probably content that we're still missing. We just had a hunt for Bryan. When we were having trouble and the PMs showed their adaptability by giving us a lot of nudges. Granted this language bit is a little different but if it were easy then what's the point? The PMs aren't expecting us to pull translations from the ether, that's why they've given us a linguist who seems fluent in Atlantean.

This language "puzzle" is, at least for me, something different. The PMs aren't throwing us the same tired binary strings to translate in a snap. They've come up with something different and original for us to work on, and for that, I thank them. Yes, it's difficult, yes it's arbitrary, but once we figure it out, there's a whole new world of content for us to play with.

Molecularr, I understand how you can feel upset by being threatened by an IG character, but think about it. He's an ig character. These are not real threats. I know you said this was your first arg, but frankly, I enjoy the amount of depth and personality the PMs are trying to give these characters. It's nice to talk to characters who are, well�.characters. Again, I'll refer you to AV. We have to deal with a character who has only one personality trait: verbally abusive. She threatens us on a daily basis with a barrage of curse words. But for all the swearing, it's not very interesting because she lacks the depth that these Ny Takma characters are trying to give us. We've known from some of our first encounters with John that he's flirty with the ladies and somewhat hostile with the gentlemen. That's John's shtick. Remember when he threatened nukedog with castration? John wasn't exactly welcoming to me either until he found out I was a girl. But that's part of the fun, finding out how to talk to ig characters, how to gain their trust, how to get information from them. After all, it doesn't help in the suspension of disbelief if the characters roll over immediately and give us all the information they have as if they were robots.

Finally, I don't want you to be confused about the use of certain information in this game. I know the PMs already received some flack about possible over-stepping of the ig-oog line. I can see how you might think that John used oog information in his chat with ancalime, but if you read the chat, nothing unethical happened. The information was transmitted in an ig chat. So please, Molecularr, reconsider dropping out of this one. We've only scratched the surface.

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:19 am

molecularr
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Joined: 22 Sep 2005
Posts: 313
Location: xanadu

I just want to be clear that I'm not really worried about being threatened. It's not like John is really in Merritt Island anyway.

hyexistenz wrote:

We've had puzzles. We still have some. There's probably content that we're still missing. We just had a hunt for Bryan. When we were having trouble and the PMs showed their adaptability by giving us a lot of nudges.

Have we? We had twosides.png which was a clear-cut puzzle, but even when we "solved it", we didn't get anything that useful. The rest, I don't know if you'd call it puzzles. More like stuff we don't know until they show it to us.

hyexistenz wrote:

Granted this language bit is a little different but if it were easy then what's the point? The PMs aren't expecting us to pull translations from the ether, that's why they've given us a linguist who seems fluent in Atlantean.

This language "puzzle" is, at least for me, something different. The PMs aren't throwing us the same tired binary strings to translate in a snap. They've come up with something different and original for us to work on, and for that, I thank them. Yes, it's difficult, yes it's arbitrary, but once we figure it out, there's a whole new world of content for us to play with.

With regard to the language, I think there's "hard" and then there's "arbitrary". If it was an actual language with its own inflections and syntax, we might be able to build up a way of translating it on our own, but since it's just an arbitrary cipher for English, we can do nothing but wait for them to reveal translations to us. In other words, it's not really a puzzle. To compare it to a real-world example of unknown symbols used for a known or guessed-at language, look at how long it took to translate Linear B. And that required frequency analysis over hundreds of documents, if I'm not mistaken. I'm sorry, but I'm not spending decades on this.

hyexistenz wrote:

Molecularr, I understand how you can feel upset by being threatened by an IG character, but think about it. He's an ig character. These are not real threats. I know you said this was your first arg, but frankly, I enjoy the amount of depth and personality the PMs are trying to give these characters. It's nice to talk to characters who are, well�.characters. Again, I'll refer you to AV. We have to deal with a character who has only one personality trait: verbally abusive. She threatens us on a daily basis with a barrage of curse words. But for all the swearing, it's not very interesting because she lacks the depth that these Ny Takma characters are trying to give us. We've known from some of our first encounters with John that he's flirty with the ladies and somewhat hostile with the gentlemen. That's John's shtick. Remember when he threatened nukedog with castration? John wasn't exactly welcoming to me either until he found out I was a girl. But that's part of the fun, finding out how to talk to ig characters, how to gain their trust, how to get information from them. After all, it doesn't help in the suspension of disbelief if the characters roll over immediately and give us all the information they have as if they were robots.

I don't care about being threatened. I care that I'm suddenly once again in a position to have to grovel for John after jumping through hoops to get nothing from Bryan. I feel like I'm being jerked around. And maybe other games have worse writing and flatter characters, but that's no excuse.

hyexistenz wrote:

We've only scratched the surface.

And that's my main beef. I feel like we keep scratching the surface and finding more surface -- that is, more weak writing and hints at things that never materialize.

I'm really not trying to be captain bring-down. I honestly wish the PMs and you all the best with this game. And to be truthful, I don't rule out having my mind changed at some point. I don't know how likely that is, but it's a possibility. I just want to make it clear why I'm not playing anymore, in case anyone wonders.

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:52 am

jwiv
Decorated

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 175
Location: Baltimore, MD

Just a brief interaction I had with John this morning. Had to cut it somewhat short due to being at work and my manager wanting to chat.

Quote:

[07:56] ChasingTriangles (Talk.v10098BF4726): Hell ya caught me on the way out the door
[07:57] jwtheiv: Don't let me hold you up. I'll catch ya later. Wink

[07:57] ChasingTriangles (Talk.v10098BF4726): let phoebe know that we handed our database listing over to the authorities and the chat script from the other day with that one guy
[07:57] jwtheiv: Oh, okay.
[07:57] ChasingTriangles (Talk.v10098BF4726): the police ... and hank don't think it was as threatening as I did
[07:58] ChasingTriangles (Talk.v10098BF4726): but you let that guy know that if I catch him around the serendipity, I'll wring his neck
[07:58] ChasingTriangles (Talk.v10098BF4726): or any of the rest of your gang
[08:00] jwtheiv: I'll pass it on. Gotta idle, boss is here

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:17 am

GoodChild
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Location: Solitary Confinement

molecularr wrote:

I guess I'm not sure what you're expecting from an arg. Finding people, finding webpages, translating codes, those are all puzzles. Whether or not they fit your definition of "puzzle" is another story.

molecularr wrote:

I think asking any PM to come up with a real language that fits under the definition of "actual language with it's own inflection and syntax" is a bit much. Perhaps this is just an arbitrary cipher, but that fits under the definition of puzzle in my book and looking for bit and pieces of translation is, perhaps, the way this puzzle is intended to be solved. If translations are revealed in random webpages, emails, etc and then are used to piece together a message, I don't see what the problem is. But again, if that doesn't fit with your definition of "puzzle" then I can see why you're so upset about it.

molecularr wrote:

I don't care about being threatened. I care that I'm suddenly once again in a position to have to grovel for John after jumping through hoops to get nothing from Bryan.

Sorry, I thought that since you kept talking about how disrespectful it was for John to threaten you, that that was one of the reasons you were quitting. No one is asking you to grovel for John. In fact, you don't have to talk to him at all if you don't want to. There's Hank and Bryan who have both responded to players. In fact, I don't understand why you think you've gotten nothing from Bryan when you're the only who has gotten an encoded email from Bryan. To my knowledge, you're also the only who Bryan has talked to about actually helping with the translation.

molecularr wrote:

I feel like we keep scratching the surface and finding more surface -- that is, more weak writing and hints at things that never materialize.

I think weak writing is an insult that's uncalled for here. But hey, I guess if that's your opinion then that's your opinion. Again tho, I'm not sure what you want out of an arg. These are stories to be unfolded, not buckets of information to be dumped out in our laps. Is it that you want Hank's blog to be updated not with information about someone breaking into his house and stealing his notes, but rather that he's discovered the secret to all of Altantis, thanks for our help, story over, goodnite?

I'm really sorry that you feel this way, Molecularr, and I wish you all the best in finding an arg that meets your expectations.

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:41 pm

molecularr
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Joined: 22 Sep 2005
Posts: 313
Location: xanadu

Hyexistenz, thanks for your comments. I would like to respond to some of what you say, but let's take the discussion off this thread. I mean no disrespect to the people running this ARG, so I don't want to turn a thread of information related to the game into my own rant about what I don't like about it. If anyone else wants to discuss this, please let's do it in private messages or chat or whatever.

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:54 pm

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

November 5 at Noon
Aniversary of Sarah's death

I bolded and colored some of the things I thought was important.

So yesterday was the aniversary of Sarah's death. November 5 at Noon

Quote:

John:
Hey Doll how ya been?

John Valentine: drunking myself get

John:
said you guys got in touch with Bryan?

Sylvia:
hey john
yes we did

John:
bryan something at hushmail right?

Sylvia:
bryanaristos

John:
yeah that's it
I tried emailing him to get him to get in touch with me
Hank and I are trying to get him down here to go over some of these recordings

Sylvia:
you mean he still hasn't met with hank yet?

John:
not yet
not here
unless Hank hasn't told me, but he asked me a little bit ago to email Bryan again

Sylvia:
should we try to get him down there

John:
just get him to mail me and I'll get him to come down

Sylvia:
ok

John:
so where the heck you guys been?
I keep logging in and don't nobody want to talk to me
am I that brash?

Sylvia:
it look like you were away to me, but then I've been pretty busy
sorry,

John:
awe hell I may not have changed my status
been piss drunk the past few days

Sylvia:
that will do it

John:
hell Hank's been piss drunk with me too
he always gets like that this time of year

Sylvia:
why this time of year?
has he check his blog lately

John:
hell if I know
I doubt it
We started drinking about noon Friday
and stopped at noon today, as tradition has it

Sylvia:
tradition
what tradition is that

John:
yeah today is the anniversary of Sarah's death

Sylvia:
oh, sorry

John:
we get piss drunk for the weekend, and stop at noon when she took her life

Sylvia:
how did she take her life

John:
bah you had to ask that this weekend eh?
she used a shotgun
was the worst mess I have ever seen

Sylvia:
you have to be kidding me

John:
the damned gun went off when Hank and I pulled up into the driveway
we didn't know what happened
ran inside and saw the mess

Sylvia:
do you have any idea why she would do that
and are you sure she killed herself
maybe someone else shot her
it's not like women to do that to themselves

John:
well I don't know

Sylvia:
they like to look their best even in death
sounds fishy to me

John:
like I said, I don't have a damned clue what would possess her to do that
I know the loneliness though
a loneliness that nearly possessed me to do the same thing
Thankfully Hank reached out to me before I got that far out there

Sylvia:
thankfully
and you have us now too

John:
That's why I'm still so pissed about whoever broke into his place
he's been paranoid

Sylvia:
I can imagine
I know i would be
any idea why they wanted hank's notes

John:
hell I dunno, that is unless it's some government or secret organization trying to prevent us from finding something

Sylvia:
any idea who it was

John:
which would totally put us into some damned x-files flick

Sylvia:
what the hell,

John:
which would then in turn suck ass
because I would die
fricken sidekick roles and all ya know?

Sylvia:
yes
I think we better be making some sense of those recordings for hank soon

John:
yeah and I'll burn my red shirts

Sylvia:
why only the red

John:
ya ain't never watched star trek have ya?
the sidekicks in the redshirts always die

Sylvia:
ok

John:
so if I don't wear a red shirt I might be ok
then again that is if we are in some horrible acted sci-fi flick

Sylvia:
lol
remember that strange website we found

John:
yeah with all those numbers?

Sylvia:
yes

John:
what about it?
I was thinking one of you all set that up

Sylvia:
no, but there was some stuff on it that is like those recordings that hank got
I can give them to you if you want them
but it would be best if i sent them by email
It might help hank to make some sense of those recordings he's getting

John:
ok what the hell you on about?

Sylvia:
that website with the numbers
if you feel like reading all that shit
it has some of that language and we have got some of it translated
I think it would help hank

John:
ok
yeah I suppose that would be nice
what all does it say?

Sylvia:
well at first
be patient with me this is a handful to type
yshk Lanti, yshk La, yshk Gai
for Atlantis, For God, for Earth

John:
k

Sylvia:
Ra nednai ny tekma, peynin hsasya keilyn ny moquin teyailn vyl esun mrkzai di peynin di gai. Teyailn vyl Lanti, teyailn vyl La, en masi ust awlyn.
To understand the end, man must know the beginning. There was one civilization of man of earth. There was Atlantis, there was God and then came others.
that is another
and then there is this

John:
wait

Sylvia:
ok

John:
what the hell is all this about?

Sylvia:
you tell me

John:
others?

Sylvia:
your guess is as good as mine
do you want more

John:
I'm just
I don't know what to think
I assumed from Bryan's translations that this was an Atlantean language of some sort
and now I'm looking at a timeline

Sylvia:
yes

John:
[color]the continent came first, then god, then these "others"[/color]

Sylvia:
yes, odd indeed
there is more do you want to see it or is that enough to stew on for awhile
John are you there, what's going on?
JOHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
WHERE ARE YOU
TALK TO ME

John:
sorry
had to go take a krap
damn don't go in there

Sylvia:
lol

John:
it would scare a fricken skunk

Sylvia:
rofl
ok, do you want to know more, or is that enough for now

John:
yeah might as well

Sylvia:
ok
Lanti vyl p shantilan lafvyl hj ny tilnlyl ksi acktrol etshundan.
Atlantis was a beautiful place but the people did horrible thing.

John:
lafvyl sounds funny
ok that sounds to me like something along the lines of whatever city that was that god rained fire on, sodom?
the people doing the bad stuff

Sylvia:
ny atunama tei hyk, yshk srk hasya tollen en trika kol di kon kanjal katutel.
sorry that was not the next line
this is

John:
lol
ok

Sylvia:
Ruk peynin srk esutl smilan thyr jalun srk ra ny ishka di ny eutshoo
this man you first seek will lead to the blood of the king

John:
ok?

Sylvia:
now the line above again
ny atunama tei hyk, yshk srk hasya tollen en trika kol di kon kanjal katutel.

John:
wait is this why you were calling me king? <--- I was to busy typing and missed this and it's so hard to see that little window.

Sylvia:
the (---) is (---) , for you must (---) and (---) him of his (----) (----).
that is all we have of that line but the next is coming
Ny gharsharn kol tolkna monlj j kon fejatala/
The daughter he found brought on his obsession.
Mshn klyk shorm kol yshk ny kayk di kon ponkhn.
Do not (----) him for the (----) of his (----)
believe it might say
Do not blame him for the death of his wife.

John:
ok
umm
that is creepy

Sylvia:
That's all we have right now
yes it is

John:
that almost sounds like Hank with the obsession and the wife
but hell I don't think he found his daughter

Sylvia:
yes it does

John:
like that implies

Sylvia:
wouldn't sound logical
Bryan said this
Neshtal Lanti tei p shantilan etshundan defsh uik tei ny crashilu iykesh srk.

John:
perhaps you should ask hank about his obsession?

Sylvia:
will do
Indeed Atlantis is a beautiful thing more so is the knowledge

John:
haha
that sounds like Bryan came from there
or has been there

Sylvia:
yes, sounds like he has first hand experience
we still haven't gotten all of the second recording translated, Bryan hasn't been much help on it
but it sounds like someone getting the people ready to fight for there life, freedom or future or something

John:
hmm
If it is connected to the first one
which it would seem as I've often heard the two pretty much back to back
then what if it is like some evacuation message or something?

Sylvia:
could be

John:
like a chernobyl type thing

Sylvia:
could be

John:
oops we fracked up and now you need to get the hell away from here
or something

Sylvia:
what??
oh, i see what you're saying
there is a part that I think says this
Ruk tei klyk p ghirld. Eshulst: ruk tei klyk p ghirld.
This is not a (test). (Repeat:) this is not a test.
the words in () are guesses

John:
right
sounds like a logical assumption
and you got this from the words that Bryan gave you?

Sylvia:
yes

John:
you did good translating that much then
color me impressed

Sylvia:
the first two I gave you the webmaster of that numbers site translated it not Bryan
all we know him/her by is friend

John:
ok
"friend" eh?

Sylvia:
so can you pass all of that along to hank or should I
yes friend

John:
yeah I can tell him about it
but emailing won't hurt

Sylvia:
ok, will do
Ok enough of that
so what have you been doing besides drinking

John:
well
actually I took a ride downtown for knocking some skulls together
but I only got a warning
they carried me down to scare me
and well that's practically it

Sylvia:
who's skulls did you knock together and why

John:
some hooligans at the bar
they wanted to start shit with Hank
and as paranoid as he's been lately he got nervous
and I threw some punches

Sylvia:
good for you
what did they say to hank

John:
explained to the cops and they took me for a ride

Sylvia:
good idea

John:
hell I dunno, spanish folk
cuban I think
we don't speak spanish

Sylvia:
Ok

John:
and well one of them looked like he wanted to start a fight
so I started
gah I'm such an ass

Sylvia:
nah, that's cool
you rock
let'em have it

John:
you ain't been in bed with me yet doll
you wouldn't know too much about me rockin
Wink

Sylvia:
lol
I got a friend
Hyexistenz

John:
oh really
she's a redhead?

Sylvia:
who would like to talk to you
but she doesnt have google talk so she needs to use AIM
No she's not a redhead

John:
but she is a she
so there is a chance

Sylvia:
yes
I'll let you talk to her for awhile John, good night

John:
aiight nite nite doll
don't let them bed bugs bite that toosh

Sylvia:
ditto

Sent at 1:20 AM on Monday

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:29 am

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

John hears from Bryan, finally

Quote:

John:
Hey doll, any word from bryan yet?

John Valentine: drunking myself get

John:
I e-mailed him and haven't gotten anything yet

Sylvia:
he hasn't answered me either
don't know what his problem is

John:
dammit
I was thinking that something about these recordings is what is causing whoever is harrassing Hank to do it

Sylvia:
I think so too, but not sure what yet
we really need to get the second one translated

John:
I think someone mentioned to me that it sounded like some sort of warning

Sylvia:
yes it does

John:
wait
ok just got an e-mail from him

Sylvia:
great
shit i did too
just found it

John:
hmm he's been out collecting baseball cards or some shit and he's saying that he can't make it down anytime soon
dammit
I'll be back later

Sylvia:
ok

John:
maybe you can smack some sense into him

Sylvia:
I'll try

Sent at 5:32 PM on Tuesday

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:46 pm

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

so john may be putting up a blog

Quote:

John:
Hey doll I was talking with that High ex whatever girl the other day about journals and blogs and the such

Sylvia:
yes

John:
ya think I should display my sexiness to the whole world?

Sylvia:
I don't know John, I'll leave that up to you

John:
Hell I just might
another avenue for meeting the ladies eh

Sylvia:
why sure

John:
shit I dunno
blame the corona
what time is it?
I'll be back later
gotta drink mroe quickerer

Sylvia:
ok
i'm chatting with kendra anyway

John:
oh really?
she's on this thing eh?

Sylvia:
yes, my fist time to chat with her

John:
the hell and she hasn't added me as a friend
tell her I said thanks for nuthin
haha

Sylvia:
want me to tell her to add you

John:
hell I'm going to go open some bottles of beer, watch something ... whatever
nawe it's ok doll

Sylvia:
ok

John:
she woulda added me if she wanted
gosta find me a redhead soon
later

Sylvia:
later

Sent at 7:35 PM on Tuesday

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:48 pm

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

John's myspace blog
http://www.myspace.com/chasingtriangles

Quote:

me: hey john, did you do it
did you put your sexiness on the web

John: yeah workin on it
looks like shit
haha

me: I'm sure it will be fine
just so long as it reflects who john is

John: I think I'll just have to browse layout stuff
I tried one template thingy but damn it sucked
even put a hot redhead up
but still sucks

me: what's the url, can i take a look

John: hell off the top of my head right now I couldn't remember
let me see if I can set this name tag thing so that it shortens it

me: i can't wait to read all about you and your adventures

John: haha my little escapades eh
yeah it's on that myspace one

me: cool, I'll add you as a friend
I got one on myspace too, not much there but I got one anyway
http://www.myspace.com/iamsylvia2

John: right on
I've got to find me a different background
chasingtriangles
and I've got to get rid of this flashing hting

me: ok i found you, but you are set to private

John: well hell

me: so you got mine so add me as a friend when you are ready
John: I knew I didn't know shit about this particular one before
me: you'll figure it out, i did and that's saying alot
I leave you along so you can get it done

John: hell think I fixed the privacy thing

me: yep, there you are

me: I like it john and hell yea your sexy

John: hell you think I'm able to have so many alimony checks
ain't cuz I'm rich woman Smile

me: lol

Sent at 12:36 AM on Wednesday

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:52 am

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

forums oog, group chat, lonely, mrrat

OK first I want to say, zezmi aka zazaban what are you doing? the forums are out-of-game. You can't give a character a link to the forums. And just what the heck did you say, post it here or do you have something to hide?

Now with that off my chest, it looks like we might be getting another group chat.

And why does John keep telling us how lonely he is? Oh, and now I can eat my hat, cause there is no way possible that John is Kendra's father (see below). So, that clears up that theory.

Next, was there someone in the last chat that was not one of us (i will check the log) and to refresh our memory, remember mrrat (mr. rat) that commented on Hank's blog here

Quote:

Yes, me and my associates are working on this. We will contact you in the future.

Ny Takma Koldaaj Mrrat

Posted by Anonymous | 16:51

Quote:

John:
any word from Bryan?
he seems to be ignoring us

sylvia4822:
yes

John:
what did he say about coming down?

sylvia4822:
I haven't contacted him yet, thought you were going to

John:
yeah I've been trying
but he ain't responding to me
or to Hank
busy booger eh?

sylvia4822:
I don't know he seems a little odd
he did give aeon the translation to that last recording

John:
oh yeah?

sylvia4822:
yes it is about some people evacuating

John:
kind of like what you guys had thought it meant before huh?

sylvia4822:
yeah kinda

John:
and we're still of the assumption this has something to do with atlantis?

sylvia4822:
that's the assumption, but I don't know
I emailed hank the translation of the first recording and about that strange website

John:
interesting, I'll have to break out some of Plato's work on Atlantis
I had read some stuff before, but not recently
been put off by the whole concept of that stargate atlantis thing
thing : show

sylvia4822:
yes, it is a large pill to swallow

John:
whatever ya know?
interplanetary travel and aliens and such

sylvia4822:
yes, i've seen stargate atlantis
and those vampire things just turned me off
I mean vampires, come on get real

John:
yeah totally clueless about that
battlestar galactica is more my spead
man creating something that destroys them

sylvia4822:
I like that
that sounds better
well were is hank, he's hard to get hold of too
I wait forever for his emails

John:
trying to advance themselves, but going overboard and degressing (not sure if that's spelled right) their society
hell he's got emails?
I've got to get him into them whenever he wants to get into them
he spends his time in the books, scribbling notes and whatever

sylvia4822:
ok, so no point in waiting on him then right

John:
this week he's just been somber, it is like Sarah's memory hit him hard this week

sylvia4822:
i can imagine

John:
nawe I'll try to get over there tomorrow and see if I can't get him to pull his shit together

sylvia4822:
thanks

John:
so I was checking out that Myspace of yours
London eh?

sylvia4822:
yes
i also noticed you are picking up some new chicks on your site

John:
yeah boobies
boobies woo woo
don't think either are redheads
Sad

sylvia4822:
oh, i just feel so sorry for you

John:
haha that I suffer so bad for affection?

sylvia4822:
yea, right

John:
you know it's getting harder
I'm getting older

sylvia4822:
don't mean nothing, not a thing

John:
and seeing Kendra and Hank draw closer together to each other
I've got nobody
no daughter
no lover
no family what-so-ever
all I got is me and my beer
and the time in the triangle with Hank

sylvia4822:
so in all those five marriages you never had a child
Kendra refers to you as uncle John, are you not kin

John:
not really
you know how it is when your best friend has a daughter type of thing

sylvia4822:
yes, I see

John:
and I had well ya know it's hard to say, but I can't make babies
but that's not important
not to anyone but me
I wouldn't be a good father, not with my drinking and all

sylvia4822:
how old were you when that happened
with a family you might not need to drink

John:
23
testicular cancer
but again nothing of consequence to anyone else

sylvia4822:
cancer, ouch, are you ok now

John:
yeah I'm fine now
it was just one of those things ya know?
you get over it and you live your life

sylvia4822:
yea, i understand
but
did you and Sarah ever get it on before Hank ended up with her

John:
haha
I wish
she was a tease, but she was a good girl

sylvia4822:
I bet
cool

John:
wouldn't do anything before getting a ring on her finger
and I wasn't ready then
wonder if that's why I rush into marriage now
hmm
shit you done got me all depressed

sylvia4822:
sorry

John:
but hell ya know me better for it and all

sylvia4822:
let's talk about something else

John:
powerball
I got one number!
I'm getting closer
last week I didn't have any numbers

sylvia4822:
what was your number I like 23

John:
did the quickpick

sylvia4822:
you will get nowhere with quickpicks
got to have numbers that mean something to you

John:
yeah I see that now

sylvia4822:
so what's your lucky number and don't say 5

John:
haha yeah like the fat man from that show that gets all the bad luck and all
ok then I'll say 5
hell I don't know
but you know what?

sylvia4822:
what

John:
I'm glad I've got you to talk to

sylvia4822:
great

John:
all the shit with Hank, it's hard to talk to him
and hell nobody else likes talking to me
I can just express myself to you

sylvia4822:
I like talking to you
but i'm not much on the sympathy thing, had to much shit of my own that I feel If I can make it you can too
so get off the lonely wagon
and start living

John:
haha
yeah thanks for the hepl

sylvia4822:
so tell me what else have you been thinking about
other than redheads

John:
besides sleep and yeah
well been trying to figure out why people would break into Hank's place
I mean our research is wild theories

sylvia4822:
yea, that's a good question

John:
it isn't anything beyond that and yet someone feels they need to break in and steal stuff we would have shared freely

sylvia4822:
that's why it doesn't make sense

John:
right

sylvia4822:
some kid is bugging me on the aim chat thing let me get rid of him/her

John:
haha
I got some zezmi person that said they were in that chat
don't remember her

sylvia4822:
yes, the same person
sorry

John:
well apparently she says that Bryan isn't trustworthy

sylvia4822:
well, I don't know Bryan well enough to say that

John:
Hell what I know of him, he seems to want to help

sylvia4822:
so far I have no reason to distrust him completely
that's the way I see it for now, we still need his help
and if he is a problem later then you
can crack his skull

John:
oh it is a he?
haha

John:
well soon as I get done talking to this nutjob I think I'll pass out on the couch

sylvia4822:
ok, night John

Sent at 12:14 AM on Thursday

Quote:

John:
hey...

sylvia4822:
yes

John:
what the hell is this? I see your name
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=282226&search_author=jwiv&show_results=posts&sort_dir=desc&return_chars=200#282226
that zezmi guy sent me that link
and everyone is talking about us and some weird shit

sylvia4822:
ok, I have to be careful how i tread here
first of all zezmi should not have given you that link

John:
you know this makes me hesitant to talk to you guys

sylvia4822:
ok, John since the door has been open, what is that image of
is it a diving bell

John:
what image?
I browsed what some of the people had said and I got the hell out of there

sylvia4822:
did you go to that link that zezmi gave you

John:
creeped me out

sylvia4822:
ok good
stay out that's not for your eyes

John:
fine
I see how you are

sylvia4822:
no

John:
you all talk about us behind our backs
but that's ok

sylvia4822:
I'll give you the link to the real image

John:
like I said, it's good to have you as a friend

sylvia4822:
don't get mad
real link is coming

John:
that's allright
I'm going to head to bed now
just wanted to find out what the hell that stuff was
got me really suspicious of some of those folks who were at that chat the other day

sylvia4822:
believe me John no one is against you or hank
we are just trying to help
get to the bottom of the truth too

John:
may have to set up another chat to find out for sure

sylvia4822:
that would be great

John:
I'll talk to Hank and explain the risks

sylvia4822:
what risk

John:
but I have to know for myself that you guys are straight and not plotting something
the risk that one of you is stalking us/him

sylvia4822:
we are not plotting anything
no, it's not one of us
we are trying to help
I swear

John:
I hope you're right
and I believe YOU are

sylvia4822:
trust me

John:
but I haven't had a chance to talk to everyone else that is involved in your little group

sylvia4822:
I see
did you look around that numbers site again

John:
not recently

sylvia4822:
well, I swear that everything we are discussing is about that site and how it relates to hank's recordings
you can see it for yourself, it is public after all

John:
I may take a browse through it sometime before the chat to find out more about you lot

sylvia4822:
and no we are not behind it

John:
now that I know where you all seem to hide
but trust me when I say I'm not at all comfortable looking there
allright I'm off to bed now

sylvia4822:
John, it might help, but don't if it makes you feel like that

John:
nite nite and don't let them bed bugs bite that toosh of yours

sylvia4822:
ok good night
ditto

John Valentine: Sleepin
Sent at 12:34 AM on Thursday

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:36 am

GoodChild
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Joined: 25 Feb 2006
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Had a short chat with John, and then he suddenly went offline.

Quote:

AIM IM with chasingtriangles.
4:00 PM
chasingtriangles: hey doll
chasingtriangles: I'd be damned if I didn't wake up with a hangover
Hyexistenzz: hey! good morning
Hyexistenzz: coffee?
Hyexistenzz: headache pills?
chasingtriangles: so how the heck you doin?
chasingtriangles: yeah jugs of coffee
Hyexistenzz: i'm doing pretty well, nice pleasant afternoon, start of the weekend!
chasingtriangles: yeah weekend
chasingtriangles: weekend would be good
chasingtriangles: I imagine
Hyexistenzz: so, i hope you don't take this the wrong way, cuz i know how protective you are of your family, but have you seen how kendra has decorated her place?
chasingtriangles: nope
chasingtriangles: she invited you over?
Hyexistenzz: ha, no, but she posted some pics on her blog
chasingtriangles: oh
Hyexistenzz: it's sort of startling
Hyexistenzz: because she's decorated based on an image from her dream
Hyexistenzz: but there are some funny symbols in the pictures she posted
chasingtriangles: oh yeah?
4:05 PM
Hyexistenzz: yes. and i've seen those symbols before. in a strange picture. it was given to us by the person who set up that numbers website
Hyexistenzz: it's sort of troubling, don't you think?
chasingtriangles: I suppose it could be
chasingtriangles: perhaps I ought to give her a ring
chasingtriangles: dial-her up
Hyexistenzz: well don't alarm her or anything
Hyexistenzz: i guess just ask where these symbols came from
chasingtriangles: one question for ya
Hyexistenzz: sure
chasingtriangles: I got an email from Bryan
chasingtriangles: but it's got this question answer thing and I can't think of the answer
chasingtriangles: let me see if I can find this email
Hyexistenzz: ok
chasingtriangles: it says, Love is?
Hyexistenzz: eish!
Hyexistenzz: gotta think about that
4:10 PM
Hyexistenzz: i think you only get 4 chances to answer correctly
chasingtriangles: I tried twice
chasingtriangles: love is - for suckers
Hyexistenzz: haha, and the other?
chasingtriangles: ha
chasingtriangles: love is - a pain in my ass
chasingtriangles: neither of those worked
chasingtriangles:
Hyexistenzz: what about love is blind?
Hyexistenzz: it's a cliche, maybe that's what he was hoping you'd get
chasingtriangles has gone offline.

Anyone have any idea as to what the answer to this is? is it Chaya?

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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:21 am

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

destiny

love is destiny see this post

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=283523#283523

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:18 pm

Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Posts: 2062

possible chat this Tuesday evening
aim chat room Ny Takma

begin summary:

Possible Chat Tuesday Night on AIM room Ny Takma

end summary

Quote:

Sylvia:
hello John
did you get my message
about "destiny"

Sent at 10:15 PM on Saturday

John:
Thank you for the answer
it looks like we've got the ball rolling

Sylvia:
great

John:
I had talked to hank and he thinks that we should be able to have a chat in the next day or two

Sylvia:
great

John:
I apologize for not responding earlier

Sylvia:
that's ok, you were probably busy
saw the redhead on your myspace

John:
the cable company has been having a field day with my internet service and it seemed to always come online everytime I was fetching beer
those bastards

Sylvia:
lol
have you heard from Kendra lately

John:
I'd personally like to chat Tuesday evening sometime, but I've got to make sure Hank can make it there

Sylvia:
Ok, let me kown when you guys decide

John:
sure will
think I'm going to go drown myself in the beer

Sylvia:
ok, have one or two for me

John:
so now that my internet is back up - I'll be going away for a bit
Very Happy

Sylvia:
going where
when, how long

John:
just for the next few hours

Sylvia:
oh, ok
what about kendra before you go

John:
it's a Sunday night, all the ladies been drinking while their men were off watching football

Sylvia:
cool

John:
so I'll go snag me a drunk'n
what about what about kendra

Sylvia:
she seemed to lose it a few days ago
and decorated her place with some weird image
wondered if you've seen her and if she is ok
maybe you should check it out

John:
ok... well
maybe tomorrow

Sylvia:
thanks

Sent at 9:34 PM on Sunday

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:49 pm

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