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Juxta
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 		To reiterate the already belabored...
Say Goodbye to Unfiction...
Gosh. Oh dear.

I seem to have hit a nerve or two. Allow me to be quite clear about this, it was not my intent to do so, and I don't see quite what there was for anyone in the Unfiction administration to be quite so over-excited about.

The suggestion was made, that players from the Perplex City community were "hoarding information" - which I firmly and passionately believe is not the case, never has been and sincerely hope never will be. I have stated this before - including in one of the Sentinel's View From Earth articles, this is the ingame Perplex City newspaper, for those not in the know.

My post, and indeed my point, was made, in a non-confrontational, non-stroppy and non-arsey manner (something of a first for me, eh? Wink )
Since the days when some of the playerbase "left" and established a new home, the Perplex City posting traffic here on Unfiction has reduced substantially. This is a plain and simple fact, for anyone to see - the administrators of Unfiction may not like it, but it is the truth. The remainder of the sentence is confirmation of what I believe to be true - obviously, it is subjective, as any such assessment must be - the speculation and solving over there *is* "good" in my own opinion - it was not intended to spark off a huge discussion, it was a mere aside, coming after the main crux of my point. Feel free to debate this matter further - but I really would prefer it if you could minimise the personal attacks and sniping. Thank you.

I would like to volunteer my thanks to you for "fixing" the username - much appreciated, as I'm on a workstation on my company LAN, and due to new, wondrous, over-permissive and almost fascist security measures, couldn't log in. Of course, it's entirely likely that even had I been able to, I would not have wanted to do so - for precisely the reasons so ably demonstrated by your responses - my reply was not derogatory, but yet has been met with unwarranted bitterness and sarcasm in return. A while before Perplexorum was set up, I had in fact already stopped posting on Unfiction, for various reasons. This was but one of them, but I hope that it is now apparent exactly why I was so reticent to post.

Even so, it did still sadden me to see the way in which, in an increasingly bizarre set of edicts and explosions, the "community" here was slapped down by some of those, "on high", until a substantial number of it's members decided to leave and move elsewhere.

I remember ridiculously applied bans (for the record, I don't believe that Ollie *is*, in fact, boring - but surely, for one of his friends to call him so in a post isn't grounds for banning someone...or is it?). I have read IRC logs of violent, vitriol-filled screaming matches between some Unfiction moderators/administrators and users - including some truly mind-boggling logs where the chief administrator of Unfiction let fly with a foul-mouthed volley of abuse at a user who dared to disagree with him. I recall the feelings of absolute disbelief at the way in which some moderators and admins edited the posts of such "disruptive" users, in order to belittle and pour sarcasm onto them and their points. I didn't post at the time, because, well...when you have administration rights, you can pretty much make it look as if people have said...well, whatever you like. I won't be overly surprised if you do the same to this post - disappointed and further saddened, because for people who refuse to delete even the most redundant of postings, you seem only too happy to modify, distort and quash them - but not really stunned any more.

However, despite departing for the land of "fluffy marshmallow castles" as you so delightfully term it, I do still browse around the Unfiction Perplex City sections occasionally - and as the comment was directed at people who had "disappeared", and were "not acting in the interests of the co-operative community", I simply felt that it bore responding to, politely and factually. I certainly don't feel that I am alone - many users read both forums, and indeed the PxC Forums too (those are the "official" ones, in case you aren't up to date on such community matters) it's simply that a large number of them have "migrated" to the newer one. If that is a problem, then I'm awfully sorry, and I'll stop coming here - I didn't realise that it was an issue. After all, I was only "encouraged" to go away and stop posting my opinion, not to stop visiting and reading altogether. To restate, my reply today was not intended to be inflamatory - yet it was greeted in the manner which everyone can see above.

Perplexorum has not, to my knowledge, set out to discourage people from making their own decisions regarding their "preferred" forum. People clearly have their own opinions on that subject, but they seem far more keen on attempting to keep this large, varied and "interesting" community intact and able to speak their minds freely, rather than trying to drive sour-noted wedges into it and regulate it's users into anodyne rigidity. There are events, meetups and the like, even those *sponsored* by Perplexorum, but which have been publicised on both - to ensure that *everyone* in the community gets to hear about them and take part, no matter whether they prefer peppermints, marshmallows or poo.

I would therefore encourage all community members to make their own decisions and come to their own conclusions, based upon the relative merits of the forums, and the information freely and honestly put forward here.


J.

P.S. Admins of "Poo" (again, not my description) : I wonder if it might be possible for you to "work your magic" once more, and add my username. Although, given the response already received, I strongly suspect that such a request won't be required, and that there are fingers already poised and looming over the large brown "EDIT" button already. I certainly expect nothing more.


Edit: Split OT to Meta section, corrected username as requested. I appreciate you identifying yourself in the namespace this time. Smile -SpaceBass

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:35 pm
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Ehsan
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Say Goodbye to Unfiction...
Juxta-NLI wrote:
Gosh. Oh dear.

I seem to have hit a nerve or two. Allow me to be quite clear about this, it was not my intent to do so, and I don't see quite what there was for anyone in the Unfiction administration to be quite so over-excited about.

The suggestion was made, that players from the Perplex City community were "hoarding information" - which I firmly and passionately believe is not the case, never has been and sincerely hope never will be. I have stated this before - including in one of the Sentinel's View From Earth articles, this is the ingame Perplex City newspaper, for those not in the know.

My post, and indeed my point, was made, in a non-confrontational, non-stroppy and non-arsey manner (something of a first for me, eh? Wink )
Since the days when some of the playerbase "left" and established a new home, the Perplex City posting traffic here on Unfiction has reduced substantially. This is a plain and simple fact, for anyone to see - the administrators of Unfiction may not like it, but it is the truth. The remainder of the sentence is confirmation of what I believe to be true - obviously, it is subjective, as any such assessment must be - the speculation and solving over there *is* "good" in my own opinion - it was not intended to spark off a huge discussion, it was a mere aside, coming after the main crux of my point. Feel free to debate this matter further - but I really would prefer it if you could minimise the personal attacks and sniping. Thank you.

I would like to volunteer my thanks to you for "fixing" the username - much appreciated, as I'm on a workstation on my company LAN, and due to new, wondrous, over-permissive and almost fascist security measures, couldn't log in. Of course, it's entirely likely that even had I been able to, I would not have wanted to do so - for precisely the reasons so ably demonstrated by your responses - my reply was not derogatory, but yet has been met with unwarranted bitterness and sarcasm in return. A while before Perplexorum was set up, I had in fact already stopped posting on Unfiction, for various reasons. This was but one of them, but I hope that it is now apparent exactly why I was so reticent to post.

Even so, it did still sadden me to see the way in which, in an increasingly bizarre set of edicts and explosions, the "community" here was slapped down by some of those, "on high", until a substantial number of it's members decided to leave and move elsewhere.

I remember ridiculously applied bans (for the record, I don't believe that Ollie *is*, in fact, boring - but surely, for one of his friends to call him so in a post isn't grounds for banning someone...or is it?). I have read IRC logs of violent, vitriol-filled screaming matches between some Unfiction moderators/administrators and users - including some truly mind-boggling logs where the chief administrator of Unfiction let fly with a foul-mouthed volley of abuse at a user who dared to disagree with him. I recall the feelings of absolute disbelief at the way in which some moderators and admins edited the posts of such "disruptive" users, in order to belittle and pour sarcasm onto them and their points. I didn't post at the time, because, well...when you have administration rights, you can pretty much make it look as if people have said...well, whatever you like. I won't be overly surprised if you do the same to this post - disappointed and further saddened, because for people who refuse to delete even the most redundant of postings, you seem only too happy to modify, distort and quash them - but not really stunned any more.

However, despite departing for the land of "fluffy marshmallow castles" as you so delightfully term it, I do still browse around the Unfiction Perplex City sections occasionally - and as the comment was directed at people who had "disappeared", and were "not acting in the interests of the co-operative community", I simply felt that it bore responding to, politely and factually. I certainly don't feel that I am alone - many users read both forums, and indeed the PxC Forums too (those are the "official" ones, in case you aren't up to date on such community matters) it's simply that a large number of them have "migrated" to the newer one. If that is a problem, then I'm awfully sorry, and I'll stop coming here - I didn't realise that it was an issue. After all, I was only "encouraged" to go away and stop posting my opinion, not to stop visiting and reading altogether. To restate, my reply today was not intended to be inflamatory - yet it was greeted in the manner which everyone can see above.

Perplexorum has not, to my knowledge, set out to discourage people from making their own decisions regarding their "preferred" forum. People clearly have their own opinions on that subject, but they seem far more keen on attempting to keep this large, varied and "interesting" community intact and able to speak their minds freely, rather than trying to drive sour-noted wedges into it and regulate it's users into anodyne rigidity. There are events, meetups and the like, even those *sponsored* by Perplexorum, but which have been publicised on both - to ensure that *everyone* in the community gets to hear about them and take part, no matter whether they prefer peppermints, marshmallows or poo.

I would therefore encourage all community members to make their own decisions and come to their own conclusions, based upon the relative merits of the forums, and the information freely and honestly put forward here.


J.

P.S. Admins of "Poo" (again, not my description) : I wonder if it might be possible for you to "work your magic" once more, and add my username. Although, given the response already received, I strongly suspect that such a request won't be required, and that there are fingers already poised and looming over the large brown "EDIT" button already. I certainly expect nothing more.


O RLY?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:44 pm
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Cabbage
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 		Is this really the right place for all this?

Like many, I guess, I come to (both) sites for a bit of fun and puzzle-solving after a hard day's work...

Bang Head

EDIT Thank you for moving these message to a separate thread so we can all get back to puzzling...
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Mima
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 		As someone who was absent (due to ill health) during the period of time when things seem to have been difficult, I am finding the bitterness being shown here hard to take. I have been quite happily posting on both forums, unaware that I wasn't supposed to be doing so.

I thought that the whole idea of ARG's was to work together to solve problems collectively. I now understand that there have been problems (which I didn't know about), but please can everyone not flame. It makes the forums a really unconfortable place to be for those of us who have not been involved.

EDIT: The post that most upset me is not one of those that was moved to this thread.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:07 pm
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Ehsan
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 		You can post in any forum you want. You can love both or hate both. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, as long as it doesn't get in the way of actually playing the game. I personally visit both.

What's been said, has been said. So please no more posts about this issue in this update thread. Let's get back to having fun and puzzle-solving. Sorry for the break in transmission Smile.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:16 pm
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vpisteve
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Juxta-NLI wrote:
Gosh. Oh dear.

<snip>


As an admin who's really been staying out of this mess, I think it's finally time to step in and address this (as close to being an objective 3rd party in this thing as anyone, I guess).

Jux, your "Gosh. Oh dear" sums up your snarky attitude about this whole thing, and I'm frankly sick of seeing this dreck being perpetuated in posts like your guest post above in the ppc thread.

Look, many players took their ball and went home to play in someone else's backyard. Fine. There's a link for those who are interested. However, continually coming back to unfiction and pimping your new digs in a provocatory, inflammatory manner won't be tolerated any more, at least not by me.

Anyone who insists on running over here to take potshots at unfiction and/or any admins should consider yourself on notice: I'll be watching and will immediately ban anyone I see demonstrate this behavior in any way. I'm amazed at all the biting-the-hand-that-feeds-you that continually rears its ugly head around here. Starting your own community is a good thing, nothing at all wrong with that, but I for one will no longer just sit idly by and watch unfiction and spacebass get shat upon continually by people who only post here to "steal" players.

Unfiction is what it is. You either hang around or you don't, I personally don't care. For those of you who grouse and pout and badmouth and storm off to do your own thing, all i can say is "You want to leave? Leave. We need your bandwidth, fare thee well."

I really hate having to get involved, but enough is really enough. This will stop here and now.

Have a nice day.
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cassandra
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 		For clarity, this thread was originally part of the following:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17316&start=60
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 		you know what, i do not care.
(that a real point not just a 'lol post')

we are all happy in owner ruts are we not

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 		Having not been involved in the original conflicts, as a player rather than an admin (I'm sorry vpisteve, but really as an admin you can't claim to be unbiased because, y'know, you are.) I'm actually finding the continued hostility of the admin here to be pushing me further from Unfiction.

When the split first occured I hung around here because this was where I was comfortable; however, the fact is that a lot (not all, but certainly a lot) of the best players went to Perplexorum. I'm happy to be a noob and get corrected, frankly, because as far as puzzle solving goes I don't have that much of a clue. Within a few weeks, though, there were very few people left on Unfiction who could correct me, and a looot more of the wild, baseless speculation that Juxta referred to. Again, that's just an opo
I duly took myself off to Perplexorum, where I'm continuing to make little useful contribution, but that's just me. And I check back here every few weeks in case there's some developments here that Perplexorum haven't caught on to.

But the responses of the admin to any challenge whatsoever breach any and all guidelines I've ever seen for admin when dealing with players; I've adminned at various places over time and have only very rarely seen the amount of vitriol poured on ANYONE, even the worst offenders, that I have here.
Quite frankly, I'm a bit disgusted; maybe my permanent departure won't mean much to those of the community that are only here or to the admin, but I'd rather spare myself the venom.
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 		A Plea
There was a disagreement and this caused some people to form another forum. This is a good thing as it allows everyone choice, where to play and how and who with.

Continuing debate on what happened isn't really necessary at the moment.

We all have one goal, whether we post comments here in Brown/Grey, Perplexorum in Pink or post not at all. Can I request, just as a player, that it's well time to move on from this.

Cheers

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