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[UPDATE] Cascade Vortex [Nov 6]
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Primal
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 		Ok, I've read all the theories and agree with the one about a quick flash and a long exposure. But there is one problem with this theory. Everyone that agrees with it says the guy behind the tree is throwing a glow stick/ running around with a torch. How does this theory explain the glows in front of the trees?

Maybe it's been explained and I've overlooked it, but I don't think it has. Maybe it's pointless to argue this since it probably won't lead us to an answer...
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BrianEnigma
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Primal wrote:
Ok, I've read all the theories and agree with the one about a quick flash and a long exposure. But there is one problem with this theory. Everyone that agrees with it says the guy behind the tree is throwing a glow stick/ running around with a torch. How does this theory explain the glows in front of the trees?

Maybe it's been explained and I've overlooked it, but I don't think it has. Maybe it's pointless to argue this since it probably won't lead us to an answer...

If someone wearing all black runs around with a sparkler, light stick, flare, or flashlight while the camera's aperture is open and the dude behind the tree stands very still, you can achieve the same effect.
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bakntime
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Primal wrote:
Ok, I've read all the theories and agree with the one about a quick flash and a long exposure. But there is one problem with this theory. Everyone that agrees with it says the guy behind the tree is throwing a glow stick/ running around with a torch. How does this theory explain the glows in front of the trees?

Maybe it's been explained and I've overlooked it, but I don't think it has. Maybe it's pointless to argue this since it probably won't lead us to an answer...


Part one:

Guy stands behind tree, flash fires. This will imprint the trees, leaves, dude behind the tree, etc, onto the film.

Part two:

The aperature stays open in the darkness for a period of time (10-15 seconds?), a guy "off screen" quickly jogs in fame, (or even the guy behind the tree) pulls a glow stick out of his pocket, or turns on a flashlight that he had in his pocket, runs around in front of, behind, etc, the trees, then the aperature closes. Since it's dark, the film doesn't get "ruined" by anything, but only get's exposed where the glow stick/flashlight is streaking by.

Since the dude behind the tree was already imprinted on the film, once the flash goes out, he can then move without blurring his image.

This will result in the effect produced in that photo.

I think the big question is not how they made the photo, but whether the Cascade Vortex "faked" the picture in game, or if we are supposed to assume that it "really" happened.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:06 pm
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HaZy
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bakntime wrote:
HaZy wrote:
Don't know if anyone had noticed a figure on the right side of the vortex halloween pic follow the tree trunk that looks like a bridge behind the 2 trees and it is to the right of it in the dark patch, at first I thought it might be beth in between the dimensions but it looks more vampirish today notice the collar part like batwings Embarassed can anyone else see this? Is it of any significance?

parthalloween


He kinda looks like the Count from Sesame street. Shocked

Actually, that's probably nothing. It's a case of the leaves, a dead branch, and jpg compression playing tricks on your eyes.


LoL Oh well i'm glad at least that you could see what I meant, guess I spent too many hours yesterday trying to catch up with everything reading staring at images and when I got to that page it just stood out to me Embarassed

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Ahriman
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Primal wrote:
Ok, I've read all the theories and agree with the one about a quick flash and a long exposure. But there is one problem with this theory. Everyone that agrees with it says the guy behind the tree is throwing a glow stick/ running around with a torch. How does this theory explain the glows in front of the trees?

Maybe it's been explained and I've overlooked it, but I don't think it has. Maybe it's pointless to argue this since it probably won't lead us to an answer...
It's not actually a theory, it's in the EXIF data in the image - flash fired, exposure time of several seconds at f2.8 blah blah. It's easy enough. Flash fires at the start of the exposure, freezing the hand. Shutter stays open for x number of seconds, during which time someone runs into the frame (not necessarily the guy behind the tree) waving a maglite around, but taking care to stay out of the beam and thus remains unlit and, to the camera, invisible. That's how it was done.

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el kabong
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 		How do you view EXIF data? I tried it and all I got was info on when I created the file.

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Moriar
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 		xnbomb, You really are on the same frequency my mind is ;o)

Yes, i agree with you that there are several events in the same days and those event are one concerning lights, one concerning living being or stuff (anyway there has been 3 events on oct 31).

My guess is that the AI man causes both, so this must have happened just b4 the one Beth has experienced .......

well.. let's see what else happens.
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Ahriman
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el kabong wrote:
How do you view EXIF data? I tried it and all I got was info on when I created the file.


To view EXIF data in a straight camera file, I used to use Fuji's digital camera software (some sort of browser), but now I've upgraded to Photoshop 7 it has a browser that really does pick up EXIF data from heavily messed-with images.

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el kabong
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 		Yeah, I've got Photoshop 7 as well, but I can't seem to read the original data, just data from when I copied/pasted the picture to Photoshop.

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Ahriman
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el kabong wrote:
Yeah, I've got Photoshop 7 as well, but I can't seem to read the original data, just data from when I copied/pasted the picture to Photoshop.
Don't copy or paste it, save the file onto a local hard disk and use PS7's browser. When you highlight the image, the EXIF data is displayed in a panel on the browser window. You need to be looking at the full size image on Cascade Vortex, incidentally, not a smaller JPEG.

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illuminati_dk
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 		Perhaps the guy released a ballon with something glowing attached to it flying around letting out the air Confused (a pretty farfetched guess i know)
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HaZy
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Worker wrote:
Ahriman wrote:
Date time original: 2002:10:12:10:50:42


10/12/2002 10:50 AM?

Again, not sure if it's a PM oversight, or something to point out that the CascadeVortex hoaxters had this planned for a while...


Yeah I just noticed this too, strange Confused

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WedgeGold
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 		Theory
illuminati_dk wrote:
Perhaps the guy released a ballon with something glowing attached to it flying around letting out the air Confused (a pretty farfetched guess i know)


Theory, and I think it is right on.

guys behind both trees. Guy on right was able to be completely behind tree.

guy on left was not as lucky. Light source, probably a flashlight from the looping, was thrown from left to right first.

Then it was thrown right to left but in front of the left tree. The light curve behind the right tree looks like a underhand throw. Which would cause the light to loop thru the air like it did.

Notice that there are spaces in the light. the flashlight was facing away from the camera in the air.

It also looks like someone also shined a light on the right tree.
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 		just for the record, here is the full EXIF header:

Code:

$ jhead -v 10.31.jpg
Exif header 10459 bytes long
Exif section in Motorola order
Directory with 8 entries
    Make = "EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY?"
    Model = "KODAK DX3900 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA?"
    Orientation = 1
    XResolution = 230/1
    YResolution = 230/1
    ResolutionUnit = 2
    YCbCrPositioning = 1
    ExifOffset = 506
Directory with 25 entries
    ExposureTime = 16/1
    FNumber = 28/10
    ExposureProgram = 1
    ExifVersion = "0210"
    DateTimeOriginal = "2002:10:12 10:50:42?"
    DateTimeDigitized = "2002:10:12 10:50:42?"
    ComponentsConfiguration = "?"
    ShutterSpeedValue = -40/10
    ApertureValue = 30/10
    ExposureBiasValue = 0/1000
    MaxApertureValue = 29/10
    MeteringMode = 1
    LightSource = 0
    Flash = 1
    FocalLength = 73/10
<snipped table breaking long lines>
    MakerNote = "KDK INFODX3900  ?p?????2*]? ?j????
</snipped table breaking long lines>
    FlashPixVersion = "0100"
    ColorSpace = 1
    ExifImageWidth = 2160
    ExifImageLength = 1440
    InteroperabilityOffset = 1900
Directory with 2 entries
  Unknown Tag 0001 Value = "R98?"
  Unknown Tag 0002 Value = "0100"
    ExposureIndex = 400/1
    SensingMethod = 2
    FileSource = "?"
    SceneType = "?"
Directory with 7 entries
    Compression = 6
    Orientation = 1
    XResolution = 72/1
    YResolution = 72/1
    ResolutionUnit = 2
    ThumbnailOffset = 2204
    ThumbnailLength = 8245
Thumbnail size: 8245 bytes
Non settings part of Exif header: 8247 bytes
Jpeg section marker 0xdb size 132
JPEG image is 2160w * 1440h, 3 color components, 8 bits per sample
Jpeg section marker 0xc4 size 418
File name    : 10.31.jpg
File size    : 593977 bytes
File date    : 2003:11:06 01:13:28
Camera make  : EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY
Camera model : KODAK DX3900 ZOOM DIGITAL CAMERA
Date/Time    : 2002:10:12 10:50:42
Resolution   : 2160 x 1440
Flash used   : Yes
Focal length :  7.3mm
Exposure time: 16.000 s
Aperture     : f/2.8
Jpeg process : Baseline


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jackhermercury
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 		dont forget... the caption with that pic says:

On October 31st, 2003, Cascade Vortex employees documented what had to be the strangest event in our history!

also... 10/31/2003 = 1/4/5? 10312003?

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