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Ethan = Ryan Emerson... (Dina=Sylvia?, Caesar=Jesse?)
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anima
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 		I also like the idea of Silvia being Avery's ex-wife. The only thing that is bothering me is Ormond's file on her in his Metadex.

If Ormond has gone through the trouble to check her financial state and even to have a receipt of hers, why hasn't he mentioned that her second husband has been missing too? After all, Ryan has been working for Murpha who are working with Metacortechs.

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Mendax XIII
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 		Have to Agree
I initially though that Slyvia being James ex was plausible but Anima's comment about why doesnt MLO know about the Slyvia marrying Ryan makes sense.

How about this little theory James and Ryan who have been both working together, discover what this big secret is, they know they are in danger. Something happens to Ryan and Slyvia (they disappear and become Ethan and Dina) this freaks James out and he does a runner.

Perhaps Jesse has come across files like we have and has presumed that James is his father or figures if he finds James he can find his father.

Just some more thoughts to muddle the pot.
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 		Don't forget to account for the facts that ex-Mrs. Avery is also missing, and the two of them had a son. Actually, maybe we need a recap so all the relevant data is here for spec-ing...I'm going to try to avoid spec-ing in this recap, so this'll be things that I think I could prove if I had to...

* Heismissing = James Avery
* Sheismissing has no credit history...
* Avery's ex-wife is missing
* Avery and his ex had been on decent terms only for the sake of their son
* Something suspicious happened to Avery in Zurich, where he was with Dimitri and Beth (!)
* Beth was close to James

* Caesar hosted both s/heismissing
* Scratch calls Caesar "orphan punk"
* Caesar gets upset about Scratch's use of the theNekodas.com sky picture (this may be debatable...?)
* Scratch claims to have discovered Caesar's mysterious history, which involves his family history

* Dina and Ethan Nekoda are Sylvia and Ryan Emerson
* Dina/Sylvia and Ethan/Ryan's son is named Jesse, and we don't currently know what he's been up to
* Jesse is at least in his teens
* Dina is a big fan of Wongmo
* Ryan worked for Murpha, where another Emerson is CEO
* Ryan had an encounter with an Agent and got pictures of it
* Ryan arranged for his files to be put on CDs and distributed around the country

Hmm, I know there's more, but nothing else seems to be coming to mind. A good theory should be able to account for all of those points... should this be in quick reference? Like an outline of all the plot-related points that we know so far, as a possible basis for spec?
Btw, if you want to debate any of these points, go ahead and argue. It's always good to check our assumptions. Or, as my favorite author says, "Check your assumptions at the door." Mr. Green

[Edit a second later] Oh, I totally forgot to include the tapestry message, and Ormond's meeting with Dimitri...a lot of things, actually. Would it be worth it to keep working on this? I should probably go to sleep now, but maybe tomorrow...at which point, you guys will have probably added everything to it... Very Happy

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 		Omnie, I'm not sure how much you feel needs to be added to your "facts" - I think you pretty much got it; except that Ryan didn't really HAVE to work for Murpha - he could have used that stationary if he visited his "relative" Robert at his office. Btw, I think that should be his next step - find Murpha's website, see Robert's name in Contacts, and arrange for a meeting.

As far as MLO not knowing about sheismissing's husband - he is still chasing information, though he is far ahead of us. Plus, don't forget that, according to Beth, he had "files" and "folders" - we only see 2 pages in his Metadex. It is entirely possible that Beth knows even more than Marcus - where did she get Dina's song from? Or, maybe I'll revise; I do have something to add:

* Dina's song on Beth's site
* Beth saw Avery some time after he disappeared
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Tian
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Omnie wrote:

* Dina/Sylvia and Ethan/Ryan's son is named Jesse

Are there any obvious clues about that?

IMO, it could be only Sylvia's son (and so James' one).

We know that Dina take care of the whole nekoda.com domain and sites (she created the weblog for Ethan). So it makes sense that she added the main page (Missing Jesse) for her son.

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Tian wrote:
Omnie wrote:

* Dina/Sylvia and Ethan/Ryan's son is named Jesse

Are there any obvious clues about that?


Ethan's update on Nov 7 ( http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=27680 ) has this in it:
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I am looking over the files you sent me, and I wonder if it would've been the same files at Cyberia, or perhaps something different. An explanation for all of this, a justification for the confusion and fear I am feeling in my heart.

The photo of the boy is the one I stay with the most. That's our boy, Ethan. I can feel it as surely in my heart as my music - he is bound to us much as we are bound to him. The promise of love and care is one that cannot be made lightly. When I look at his photo, I see the same eyes I saw in my dreams - he's brushing past me downtown where everyone around me is dressed in opera wear, he's the one holding my hand in the slate grey darkness of nothingness and loss.

He is mine, and he knows me, through and through. We have been through things together, he and I. He is my wonder and my joy, and right now, he is my sorrow. Where is he, love? Why are we here now, in this place, with no recollection in our lives of this most important aspect? How in the hell did we get Here, when There is a place that doesn't even connect up with our present day? Who did this to us, and why?


I don't there's any doubt it's referring to the picture of the boy called Jesse at thenekodas.com .

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Tian
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jba wrote:

I don't there's any doubt it's referring to the picture of the boy called Jesse

I agree with that, but I still have some doubts about him being also Ethan's son.
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That's our boy, Ethan. I can feel it as surely in my heart as my music

So it's only a supposition for her
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He is mine, and he knows me, through and through. We have been through things together, he and I. He is my wonder and my joy, and right now, he is my sorrow.

She speaks about memories of her and him. She doesn't include Ryan into these.

She knows that Ethan is her husband and that Jesse is her son. So she could think that Ethan is Jesse's father. A logical supposition for me. But nothing tells us it is the truth.

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 		Going back once more to MLO's file of sheismissing the question "What about J.?" could refer not only to James, but also to Jessy.

This could add another point in favor of sheismissing=Dina=Avery's ex - MLO is aware that Dina and Avery had a son J. and is wondering what has happened to him.

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anima wrote:
Going back once more to MLO's file of sheismissing the question "What about J.?" could refer not only to James, but also to Jessy.


Makes sense - as the heismissing picture was in the same MLO file, why would he put 'what about J' if James is the other picture (as we believe)?

'What about J' strikes me as meaning that there is no mention of 'J' in the files. If our supposition is correct and Avery and Sylvia/Dina are the parents of Jesse, then MLO would surely be curious about where their son has got to if the parents are missing.

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 		I am going to have to say i favor the avery + dina = jesse, while at present dina/sylvia currently has a life with ethan
but im just as lost as everyone...
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yanka wrote:

* Dina's song on Beth's site


OMG!!! That's HUGE. It sure implies that Beth knows that two people have had their memories erased and are now living lives as someone else.

yanka wrote:

* Beth saw Avery some time after he disappeared


I'm sure this is important, too... it could mean that they've talked and Beth is up to date on things, but then why would she need to look through the files on MLO's desk? It could also mean she's knows more about these anomolies than she is letting on.

But then, if that were the case.. would she be uploading all of this stuff to her metadex? Shouldn't she be concerned about learning too much and having her memories erased, too?

And, last thought... Ethan and Dina's names were changed... any reason to think that Jesse's would stay the same? Also, if he sent the tapestry to MLO then that means his memories are intact... same things goes for the s/heismissing sites - if Caesar = Jesse then that means his memories are okay. How could that be? Wouldn't there be people watching to make sure he doesn't screw with things? It seems he knows enough to post things on a sight that a human can figure out but a computer should have problems with... meaning he knows more than he should about whatever it is that's going on.

Aaarrrrggggggg.

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