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[UPDATE] Library of Babel - ticks
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wonkothesane
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yeah lol . i see your point - we are the right hand that points to the place to add in . we are the 'five fingers point' . i was thinking along the lines of a circle needing a start - there is the' laissez' part of CT's passport that could indicate a french twist - french canadian ?? ive found some documents related to travel expenses on a temporary 'laissez' passport , one of these includes 'terminal' costs. with any diplomatic passport , the travel documents and receipts have to be audited , so if CT is on this basis - there would be a trail somewhere. Certainly , there is a distinct 'air' of diplomacy regarding the arrangements that have been made for him. Which has got me thinking about alternate universes- perhaps he looks exactly like a famous diplomat in the UK/US, perhaps he looks like SANTA?? im really unsure about the time/timezone for his arrival - has the cube taken him to the past ? is the cube ipso facto a cube at all as we know it or a metal we know- perhaps perplexians have never known plastic.

anyway rambling off - in the library of babel some of the leaves that cover the text look like maple leaves , we have the 'arboreal' clue , we know about the yellow taxis - so perhaps the start of the circle is in Canada?

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Could be Canada, but I don't think that the French necessarily points to that.

Some countries (and the UN) have passports printed in two languages.

For example, my UK passport is English/French.

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It's made more difficult because I'm not sure if the (7,4) co-ords refer to constant units (as the plots in this thread so far assume), or something else such as street turnings (i.e. 4 streets across in one place may differ width-wise to 4 streets across somewhere else)... If it's related to roads, then the former seems more likely.


I tried just mapping them as up-right coordinates, i.e. that (7,8) meant to move 7 intersections right and 8 left, but that simply didn't fly - ppc is too big.
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jonc
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Just a quick note, I think the phone on the back of the cards is one of a Nokia communicator series, possibly a Nokia 9300. When opened up it has a full keyboard, and the little thing in the bottom right.

It also folds and has numbers on the front (which fits the libraryofbabel description).

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bit1313 wrote:
And Sente is in a business suit in the picture too...


I've been thinking about this a little and - major spec here! - is it possible that CT is Sente? Look at the evidence:

1) First, there's my theory that the contents of the envelope are Perplex City Cards, the picture being shown that of Sente.
2) Second, it appears that Sente was the closest link between The Academy and Mind Candy, giving him the ability to make changes in cards right before they were printed without anybody else knowing.
2b) Also, Sente being the bright mind that he is, he would probably have noticed one of the many supposed "CT changes" (number strings, shapes, light letters, AND card symbols).
3) We don't know how far Project 487 actually came. It is possible that Sente went to Earth with the cube, but was able to transport back using the technology that got him there.
4) This would also explain a lot of Sente's worry with showing too much information, as he had not only his life to fear from 3P agents, but also his reputation at the Academy.

Once again, major spec!

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jonc
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I've just had a quick read of the entire thread, and I don't want people to get bogged down in what nationality the passport was, and it sounds french etc.

From what I've been reading it's simply a type of passport, and could have been issued from anywhere. What's important is that it's usually issued for one-way travel to the country of issue.

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Returning from the dead for a moment:

The numbers, in absolute value, anyway, never exceed 8, and never fall below 2.

Checkerboard?
+ and - on outside as opposing players?
+ and - on inside with respect to direction? (But whose perspective?)

Also, I think we can establish that CT was in New York; United Nations, yellow cabs, cold November. But, it seems we can also begin to operate under the assumption that, where ever in New York City CT was, he is no longer, having very likely left the country.

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grids

The thought came to me on waking that as the numbers go up to 8 you could have a grid that was -8 to +8 both along x and y, which would give you 256 cells. So you could have each cell standing for a card, and the coordinates could indicate the first letters of each card. I don't think that's right because of the pairs and pattern of the coordinates. I think a link to the 21x2 number strings is more likely. However I thought I'd post in case it triggers anything. Some random thoughts: Hamlet, play within a play was the Death of Gonzago, aka the Mousetrap. Agatha Christie's play's at St Martin's Theatre, whereas Evita opened at Prince Edward's. All those Argentinian refs must mean something. My partner said arboreal anagrams to labore.ar or boreal could indicate northern argentina. Have been looking at maps of Epping Forest, Forest Gate, St Johns Wood etc but nothing leaps out.
Probably a load of tosh but maybe someone will think of something useful.
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wonkothesane said:
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in the library of babel some of the leaves that cover the text look like maple leaves


They also look variegated which means they are two tone - this could mean they are a specimen selected for an arboretum or planted for ornamental reasons.

Also from the ticks animation. Is the red nailed clerk significant? Why mention her twice in as many sentences? Secondly do the double white lines toward the end of the animation mean anything - centre road lines, stop lines, parking lines?

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isca wrote:
Also from the ticks animation. Is the red nailed clerk significant? Why mention her twice in as many sentences? Secondly do the double white lines toward the end of the animation mean anything - centre road lines, stop lines, parking lines?


Yes, thinks me. I think the double lines mirror the two plots of the +/-, and the right-side-up/upside-down number strings. They're following each other, interacting with each other somehow, I just can't quite see it yet...

(Also, note the similarity between the lines coming on, and the scene change going into the hotel lobby background in the animation...)
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wonkothesane
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Just a quick note, I think the phone on the back of the cards is one of a Nokia communicator series, possibly a Nokia 9300. When opened up it has a full keyboard, and the little thing in the bottom right.

It also folds and has numbers on the front (which fits the libraryofbabel description).


A 1976 calculator also fits the description.

have you also noticed there are now 3 phones that ring.

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Re: grids

ramsfan wrote:
The thought came to me on waking that as the numbers go up to 8 you could have a grid that was -8 to +8 both along x and y, which would give you 256 cells. So you could have each cell standing for a card, and the coordinates could indicate the first letters of each card. I don't think that's right because of the pairs and pattern of the coordinates. I think a link to the 21x2 number strings is more likely. However I thought I'd post in case it triggers anything.


I like your input ramsfan. the fact that none of the numbers are "1" makes me think... well that 1 is not important. like the backs of the red cards. Maybe the number combinations ct gave us in TICKS relate to the backs of the cards... the +/- being a top or bottom of a certain set... and the number being the level of the card.

he also says that all the street names mean something (something to that effect) which makes me think if we connect the map for the specified pieces, we could get a trail, or maybe a message from just the street names... I'm going to start doing this. it might take some time..

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Does anyone see the melting shapes resemble some of the lakes seen on the perplex city plan map? See map below.

Or is it just my aching eyes? Sleep beautiful sleep!

Another thing looking at the shape of the grid on this map - if we place one card on one complete rectangle, are all the 256 cards needed? Is there any reason why some rectangles of the grid are disected with diagonal roads?


EDIT - I chose a rectangle based upon it not being disected by a road and not being entirely green in colour. A road should also surround it. See picture of gridmap with card numbers below - significant or not, it was fun doing it!
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Currently, in the Ticks puzzle thread, a brilliant discovery has been made by ilikepucks.

SUMMARY: On the Perplex City site, if you go to the "My Cards" page, the grid that shows up can be divided into four equal quadrants, like a graph. If you then take the cards corresponding to the given coordinates, you get a string of card numbers and +/-:

Code:
#29+, #58+, #29-, #58-, #40-, #40+, #63+, #60-, #60+, #63-, #90-, #90+, #94+, #94-, #96- #136-, #96+, #188-, #136+, #188+, #191-, #191+, #192+, #203+, #192-, #218+, #203-, #222+, #218-, #156+, #222-, #235-, #235+, #237-, #236-, #236+, #250-, #156-, #237+, #250+, #253+, #253-


Each of the cards in the sequence has a number string on it! It has been thought that the +/- indicates whether the number string is read forwards (+) or backwards (-). When this is done, the opening digits of the strings go 1-2-3-4-...etc.!!! (see the thread for discussion of this application for cards with vertical strings).

Then a string of the numbers in order is obtained:
Code:

#29+ 1-14443432.5-3
#58+ 2-21122214-4
#29- 3-232.52.51.5-1
#58- 4-23232.534334-1
#40- 1-1144144414432.5-4
#40+ 2-11444414412-3
#63+ 3-34-1
#60- 4-44444444111111111114-3
#60+ 1-414141414144144441-1
#63- 2-414441141-1
#90- 3-433333334-2
#90+ 4-4444444443.5-1
#94+ 1-1114112321-1
#94- 2-4111111441-2
#96- 3-44411414441444112.5-4
#136- 4-143334-3
#96+ 1-222233332-4
#188- 2-21121111221-4
#136+ 3-2333234-1
#188+ 4-11122221412234-2
#191- 1-344411444443-1
#191+ 2-11444444444411111111444-2
#192+ 3-3333322333332-4
#203+ 4-33223333234-4
#192- 1-444444114411112-1
#218+ 2-4444433333323-2
#203- 3-11144144144443-3
#222+ 4-1414411122-2
#218- 1-44334-3
#156+ 2-111221111112-4
#222- 3-34433333432-4
#235- 4-222233332222.5-1
#235+ 1-4444444434444444444443-4
#237- 2-1222323-2
#236- 3-2112223-2
#236+ 4-4333223323-3
#250- 1-343-2
#156- 2-2232-4
#237+ 3-3333334433334-1
#250+ 4-3322333333333332-1
#253+ 1-1111211112-4
#253- 2-111114441114114-1

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I'd call this a success. [/b]

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so now that we have all the numbers in an order... what does this mean for us... i wish i had something to contribute, but i'm at a wall. and how were we supposed to get this order before TICKS?

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