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[UPDATE] Wongmo mailbag [Nov 9]
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bakntime
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SquareKnight wrote:
Personally, I think Wongmo is a bit player in this. He's pretentious and he has a cult following of distraught females, but I just see him as a goofy, new-age artist and a quack.

Of course, you'll be the ones laughing when Wongmo turns out to be none other than Caesar.

-Square Knight


Wongmo isn't Caesar. Why would Caesar bother with all that crap? It's not his "style".

[matrix spec]
Wongmo is more than a bit player. Wongmo, in my best guess, is a brainwasher/reprogrammer. He's reprogrammed Ryan and Sylvie into Ethan and Dina, and I'm not even sure he's "human". He could be a program.[/spec]

Even tossing aside the Matrix infuenced ideas, Wongmo sure seems like a guy that can significantly change a person's way of thinking... Look what he did to Phillip... (Phillip went nuts on Beth, and then disappeared). I'm betting Wongmo had no small part in all of that.

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 		I was being facetious about Wongmo being Caesar. Razz I was trying to pick a very unlikely but significant role for Wongmo.

Anyway, while I agree there may be evidence for Wongmo being someone sinister, I like to believe that he isn't in any way connected with this vast, shadowy conspiracy. He's just too much fun.

So until he's conclusively linked to something, I'm not going to believe he's anything more than a creepy, money-grubbing, new-age artist. It's a matter of personal preference, really. Not based on any evidence.

[spec] 'sides, I think Wongmo would make the perfect red herring. While he could easily be a reprogrammer, it also wouldn't be hard to back out and say "nothing to see here, move along." [/spec]

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SquareKnight wrote:
if we entertain for the moment the possibility that Wongmo may not be a sinister mastermind


Naw.... Mr. Green

SquareKnight wrote:
Or he doesn't know.


Actually, I think he pretty much knows about it.

Dina wrote:
Since I know I've got a couple of people reading these for workshop purposes (hello, Mr. Wongmo!), I'll try to lay off the schmoopiness about Ethan


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 		Ah, thanks Omnie. I thought I remembered something to that effect, but I couldn't find it.

And why won't anyone cut Wongmo some slack? Where's the love?

You people seriously need to get in touch with your inner aquatic mammals.

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 		I'd love to cut the Wongmo some slack. I really would. Trouble is, he just reminds me too much of a pot-smoking hippie geography teacher I had in high school. And he refers to himself in the third person.

Azathoth666 thinks anyone who refers to themselves in the third person has serious issues.

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 		...are you implying that your pot-smoking, hippie geography teacher was a reprogrammer?

But, seriously, I can't find too much fault with Wongmo. He helped me find my inner dolphin!

It was under the sofa cushions, next to the DVD remote.

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bakntime
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SquareKnight wrote:
I was being facetious about Wongmo being Caesar. Razz I was trying to pick a very unlikely but significant role for Wongmo.


Oh, ha Smile

Sometimes it's tough to tell on the internet.

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[spec] 'sides, I think Wongmo would make the perfect red herring. While he could easily be a reprogrammer, it also wouldn't be hard to back out and say "nothing to see here, move along." [/spec]

-Square Knight


Yikes... maybe, but I think there's way too much coincidence in the fact that Phillip is all "fine" until he get in touch with Wongmo. He writes Wongmo that weird letter, then flips out on Beth for no good reason, then basically disappears. That's too much. Wongmo had something to do with that.

I think it would be way too much coincidence for Wongmo to be connected to Dina, Dr Kane, Phillip, and others, without being integral to the story.

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 		Actually, you make a good point there bakntime... I'm not quite ready to come around to the "wongmo IS important" theory, but when I do, belive me I'll be playing the trumpet on that bandwagon. Very Happy

It still doesn't mean that I'll like him... Wink
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 		Wongmo Spec
hi.

lurking for a while now, had a thought and hadn't seen anything about it so i thought i'd chime in.

i've seen a lot of talk about how Wongmo may somehow have been connected with the programming of Ryan/Ethan Sylvia/Dina due Dina's participation in some of Wongmo's exercises. but has anyone considered that wongmo might be a DEprogrammer? that he might know something about the "real" world?

- he talks about people's "inner dolphin," perhaps referring to a matrix-like true self? a physical body in a pod?
- Dina seems to begin having these realizations *after* participating in Wongmo's exercises

(hmm, i thought i had more to back this up. perhaps it's a pretty weak argument after all Embarassed )


counter arguments that i can think of right now:

- multiple passports (if they are indeed his) imply that he is wholly within "this" reality. a matrix-esque "free mind" could just hack in an identity of his or her choice, right?
- angry letters (trash photos) seem to imply he's not doing "good work" (although maybe he employs a scattershot method that frees some minds but just confounds those who are not ready for it)

perhaps more will come to me when i'm not at work...

again, apologies if this line of reasoning has already been explored.


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bakntime
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 		Re: Wongmo Spec
A.Cow.Herd wrote:
but has anyone considered that wongmo might be a DEprogrammer? that he might know something about the "real" world?


That's really interesting, and it would actually make some sense.

Even the "angry" letters could be explained:

Think about it - a "family" member that you think you know is actually just a reprogrammed person. If they suddenly "see the light" and start finding out about their previous life, then you would probably not see it as that. You would see it as a situation where Wongmo is brainwashing your family member, hence the nasty letter.

But you may be on to something with that.

I'm still sensing that Wongmo is up to something devious with his sugar coated "inner dolphin" BS, but there's still a chance that your theory is true.

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 		He says something about the sea urchin not being able to exist without the manatee. Could this be some clue to Aquapolis FTP?

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 		Re: Wongmo Spec
bakntime wrote:
A.Cow.Herd wrote:
but has anyone considered that wongmo might be a DEprogrammer? that he might know something about the "real" world?


That's really interesting, and it would actually make some sense.

Even the "angry" letters could be explained:

Think about it - a "family" member that you think you know is actually just a reprogrammed person. If they suddenly "see the light" and start finding out about their previous life, then you would probably not see it as that. You would see it as a situation where Wongmo is brainwashing your family member, hence the nasty letter.

But you may be on to something with that.

I'm still sensing that Wongmo is up to something devious with his sugar coated "inner dolphin" BS, but there's still a chance that your theory is true.



Perhaps the "inner dolphin BS" as you put it is to further the perpetuation that he is just a fruitcake. I would imagine that someone who is spouting dolphin love and looking like a smelly hippy does not attract the attention of the "authorities". Even better, wouldn't be taken seriously by said "authorities" because he does not appear dangerous. Shocked
Good thoughts about Wongmo the de-programmer. I suppose we will see eventually.

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 		I can see the re-programming/de-programming theories working. However, we haven't got a single bit of good information from Wongmo. Oops, he pointed us towards Dina and Ethan. That's it, right? I think he's put here just for kicks.

"Listen to your inner dolphin." Yeah. We are SO gonna glean useful stuff from that hippie.[/sarcasm] Very Happy

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 		I can't brush him off as insignifigant just yet. He sounds too in character with many themes that exist within the movies and this game.

"They are interrelated but not reliant upon one another for their existence." -part of Wongmo's response to R.F.'s email.

Sound familiar? Kinda reminds me of a certain conversation between Neo and that politician (or whatever his title, it escapes me presently) in Reloaded.


Or not, their conversation didn't exactly say we could survive independently of machines did it? Question
But still, I believe a connection is possible.

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niobexrev wrote:
Okay this one's hard. Most of the time there's at least one letter we can count on for being in-game.

So who wrote what?



The only thing I see is D.M = Dimitri Moraitopoulos

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